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Undead Unicorn posted:No More Heroes, No More Heroes 2, Deadly Premonition, Alpha Protocol, and Fallout: New Vegas e: Also the NMH games give me occasional impulses to buy used Wii just to I can play them again, they were that good.
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Uncharted 2 is the best writing I have seen in a game in the past couple years. I loved the characters in it. It was way better than the lovely Indiana Jones 4 movie. The last of us also looks amazing in that regard. I want to play it because I want to see what happens to those characters. It is one of the rare times I want to play a game to find out what happens in the story. Basically what I am trying to say is Naughty Dog is the best.
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Dapper Dan posted:Not to distract from the Watchdogs chat (which looks really loving amazing, but I'm not going to be caught dead pre-ordering anything ever again) but the reason good video game writing is uncommon/rare/nonexistent, depending on your perspective, is because of several things I think. Firstly, the medium is pretty young and still maturing. There are a lot of kinks to work out because interactivity adds a whole new dimension to storytelling. For example, as talked about in this thread, the problem of the open world protagonist. He's probably going to end up a sociopath outside of cut scenes because most people want to get to their next objective in the game fast. Which means crashing into things and running down a shitload of pedestrians. I think that this is the biggest problem in a good video game ever being written. With nearly every other medium the theme can be summarized as "Character was like A, so B happened". With video games the demand is for the story telling to be interactive, but the problem with doing that is a) making a truly responsive game that has a story is probably impossible and b) it fucks up the idea of having a theme. So writers either have to choose to stick to one story and make player agency irrelevant or respond to the player's choices in superficial ways while still making them go through essentially the same events, making the moral meaningless. I suppose there's also games like the Walking Dead which make a convincing appearance of player's choices mattering, but I'm afraid that that trick probably won't work more than a few times, and outside of a simple, tense survival game would completely fail artistically.
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keyframe posted:Uncharted 2 is the best writing I have seen in a game in the past couple years. I loved the characters in it. It was way better than the lovely Indiana Jones 4 movie. The writing was pretty cliche stuff. I'd say it was the best acting I've seen in a game in the last couple years.
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Forgall posted:About half of the posts in Final Fantasy 13-2 LP thread were Azure_Horizon praising that game's story No, they weren't. I both explained and critiqued it. As far as great game writing in the past five years: The Void, Journey, NieR, Dear Esther, Amnesia: The Dark Descent. Azure_Horizon fucked around with this message at 19:04 on Feb 23, 2013 |
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Phil Moscowitz posted:RDR had a morality system? Eventually townfolk would run from you/sheriffs would hunt you/bounties would be made for you. There was also some kind of system that made it possible to spend Get Out of Jail Bonds to nullify those effects.
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i poo poo trains posted:I think that this is the biggest problem in a good video game ever being written. With nearly every other medium the theme can be summarized as "Character was like A, so B happened". With video games the demand is for the story telling to be interactive, but the problem with doing that is a) making a truly responsive game that has a story is probably impossible and b) it fucks up the idea of having a theme. So writers either have to choose to stick to one story and make player agency irrelevant or respond to the player's choices in superficial ways while still making them go through essentially the same events, making the moral meaningless. I suppose there's also games like the Walking Dead which make a convincing appearance of player's choices mattering, but I'm afraid that that trick probably won't work more than a few times, and outside of a simple, tense survival game would completely fail artistically. There's something to be said for games that have no set story but try to actually let the things that happen create something that feels like a story. The only games that are good at doing this that come to mind are the Crusader Kings games, where almost everything that happens is based on the interactions of hundreds of characters, each of which has personality traits and an opinion of every other character. So you have things like the nephew of the late Byzantine Emperor declaring war on his cousins to seize the throne, only to see everything he's schemed to gain be burned and conquered by the Seljuks while the Empire is divided in rebellion. Or, something that someone else posted in the CK2 thread, the youngest daughter of a Baron having her sister murdered so she would inherit the land but succumbing to illness on the very same day, destroying the dynasty in a single night. It's not a story, exactly, but it feels like one.
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mysterious frankie posted:I feel like it's best to treat any sandbox game story as if it's being seen through the eyes of a sociopath, ala Tony Soprano. Most sandbox game stories are basically really lovely, shallow versions of The Sopranos, if you really (don't) think about it. Sure, except every sandbox game with the exception of maybe some of the grand theft autos or RDR is in some way or another a story of good versus evil so even if the character is a sociopath you can still look up to them and feel good knowing you made the right decision no matter what that decision was.
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FilthyImp posted:The more dudes you shot up randomly, the more notorious you became. Oh yeah. I just looked at that like the standard GTA "gently caress poo poo up/get chased by cops/respray" system, though I guess it was more persistent. The endgame wasn't any different based on how much of a dick you were, though.
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Azure_Horizon posted:As far as great game writing in the past five years: The Void, Journey, NieR, Dear Esther, Amnesia: The Dark Descent.
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Jetsetlemming posted:gently caress, how'd I forget Dear Esther? Even if you're the kind of smug too cool for nerd poo poo jerk who thinks all games are universally lovely in writing, Dear Esther's playing through a literal poem. My English Major girlfriend thought it was one of the best writing she's ever experienced regardless of genre. I've always thought that the original Dear Esther mod's script would have made an excellent short story on its own (something you can't really say for, ooh, let's call it just about every other game script ever written). I read a pdf of the thing and the text stood just fine when divorced from the game's imagery.
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I'm not sure how much it's worth pointing out games that are well written (Kentucky Route Zero, Analogue: A Hate Story, The Stanley Parable, To the Moon, etc.) when everything we've seen from Watch Dogs so far suggests that it's going to have a narrative that hangs together about as well as you would expect from a game that has to give you reasons to run around Chicago doing whatever the gently caress you want with batons and guns and a magic hacking cell phone, which is to say the narrative isn't going to work at all. Because unless they go balls out and pull some sort of Spec Ops: The Line meta-anti-narrative about open world games, we're either going to get a massive amount of ludonarrative dissonance at best or a stupid loving story that justifies stupid loving cool poo poo at worst. Not like I care - I'm not going to buy Watch Dogs because I want to read someone's lovely Pattern Recognition/Spook Country/Zero History fanfic, I'm going to buy Watch Dogs because I want to be magic cell phone rear end in a top hat in Chicago.
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Oh no the thread died, have some new info! http://metro.co.uk/2013/02/28/watch-dogs-playstation-4-interview-a-new-type-of-gameplay-experience-3519415/ Bunch of stuff about Aiden's background, the slowmotion/bullettime and world size! quote:GC: So it’s at least as big as open world cities from this gen?
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That's interesting, though I wonder just how big the "interiors" are, like, if we go into a tall apartment building, can we go to each apartment or just walking up the staircase to the top or maybe some hallways in between. Could make a difference with future modding if there are plenty of extra "houses" for people to use, stage new quests and the like.
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1stGear posted:Sandbox games are literally never going to be good vehicles for stories because the plot will force you to be a repentant do-gooder and as soon as the player gains control they will go out and skullfuck a nun. I dunno about literally never, but it certinally takes some real thought behind the writers and the designers of the game. The main thing is that the overall goal needs to have multiple motivations behind why a player/character would want to achieve it. Baldur's Gate 2 comes to mind a rare example of this. You can be perusing Irenicus to try and save your friend/kill a bad dude or to try and uncover more about your background so you can become more powerful. Most sandbox games really gently caress it up on the side quests, most are 'oh i need help someone help me do X'. Even a goodie two-shoes is thinking, "who gives a poo poo I have more important poo poo to do". Not only do they not make sense for a bad dude but they are usually terribly dull and mostly there to pad out the game.
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Captain Beans posted:I dunno about literally never, but it certinally takes some real thought behind the writers and the designers of the game. The main thing is that the overall goal needs to have multiple motivations behind why a player/character would want to achieve it. Baldur's Gate 2 comes to mind a rare example of this. You can be perusing Irenicus to try and save your friend/kill a bad dude or to try and uncover more about your background so you can become more powerful. "Hey Niko! Want to get a drink?"
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What the gently caress is this about it "going further" in the PS4 but being available for the PS3??
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I got the impression they were trying to insinuate that there would be less unique encounters in the Xbox 360/PS3 versions compared to the PC/720/PS4 versions.
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A new Q&A that's pretty long! http://electronictheatre.co.uk/pc/pc-news/33244/watch_dogs-qa-revealed
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A new official video! It shows the previous video through the many eyes of ctOS. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_Zd6OBwlPs
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Daztek posted:A new official video! It shows the previous video through the many eyes of ctOS. Holy poo poo, this game is going to own. I liked the bit where he raised the car-stop devices in the street, and the possibility of some sweet, sweet side events looks awesome as well.
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If I hadn't been an exhibitor and just waited outside the booth before the floor opened I would have been severely pissed waiting to see that at PAX East, since it showed absolutely nothing new.
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I think it's a retarded spin on things, that "analysis" seems like some marketing women decided to do it and completely pulled it out of the game world. Yeah right the GUI prompts are part of the new Beta for something blabla we detected his breach. If this actually makes it in the game, god save us all!
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 Watch_Dogs Twitter posted:Surveillance Rpt #274789: Suspect Aiden Pearce was seen on Lake St. ctOS is pulling video, will be updated tomorrow. Possibly a new video tomorrow. https://twitter.com/watchdogsgame/status/328632464031494145
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 Release date! 19 November for NA, 21 November for the rest of the world!http://www.joystiq.com/2013/04/29/watch-dogs-unleashed-in-november/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A049QMa5_UM
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Pros of the trailer: Looks pretty GTA. Looks pretty. His dumb coat is actually kind of cool. Cons: That voice is terrible.
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I still can't wrap my mind around the idea that this guy thinks he's doing the "right thing". I mean no doubt there's going to be some part of the story where he realizes he's actually being an rear end in a top hat, but it's just not believable that he can smash cop cars and cause huge explosions in the street and kill dozens of innocent people at all while still believing he's doing it for a good cause. That's a special kind of idiocy that I have no sympathy for.
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Interesting, one thing I have noticed in recent interviews/previews the idea has been brought up that Pierce is a big jerk. While I thought it was odd considering modern game characters and how little we know about the guy. In interviews you can see the game designers kinda being taken aback and saying well you don't know his back story. And hey look next trailer Pierce lost someone and is out for revenge/justice! Game media are awful journalists 
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Christ the protagonist is so edgy is hurts. Well as long as the gameplay is fun thats ok I guess
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Hatbox Ghost posted:I still can't wrap my mind around the idea that this guy thinks he's doing the "right thing". I mean no doubt there's going to be some part of the story where he realizes he's actually being an rear end in a top hat, but it's just not believable that he can smash cop cars and cause huge explosions in the street and kill dozens of innocent people at all while still believing he's doing it for a good cause. That's a special kind of idiocy that I have no sympathy for. Then you shouldn't do any of that when playing the game! If that is an option, that is. Also, maybe he has a personal motivation and doesn't care anymore. I'm happy as long as I can empathize, even I if can't sympathize. Greenplastic fucked around with this message at 19:00 on Apr 29, 2013 |
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Wait. Wait. This has a PC release? When I saw the initial reveal they had only announced a PS3 release and I figured I'd never be able to play it as I don't own one. Hell yes.
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fennesz posted:Wait. Wait. This has a PC release? When I saw the initial reveal they had only announced a PS3 release and I figured I'd never be able to play it as I don't own one. Hell yes.
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So I just got a slightly creepy email from uplay saying that they've been watching me for a couple years, and trying to get me to pre-order at all the usual suspects.. Does anybody have a clue what the pre-order bonuses may be for the different retailers, yet? All I could find was (what I assume to be) a fold-up poster, whoopdeedo. At least I hope it'll have a map on the back so I will have use for it.
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ookiimarukochan posted:Every bit of media we've seen so far - every demo, even at the PS4 conference - has been it running on PC. This doesn't always mean that a title will be a PC release, unfortunately. I was happy to see the little PC insignia at the end of the most recent video.
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coyo7e posted:So I just got a slightly creepy email from uplay saying that they've been watching me for a couple years, and trying to get me to pre-order at all the usual suspects.. Does anybody have a clue what the pre-order bonuses may be for the different retailers, yet? All I could find was (what I assume to be) a fold-up poster, whoopdeedo. At least I hope it'll have a map on the back so I will have use for it. The new trailer mentioned some pre order bonuses at the end.
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Sedisp posted:Can't say I would have read any of the rest of those had they been books. And Deadly Premonition I haven't played.  I wouldn't watch To Kill A Mockingbird if it was an interperative dance. It's silly to take away a medium's main strength and expect it to compare favorably to a different kinda of media.
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