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Install Gentoo posted:Some of you people seem to believe Kickstarter was ever some kind of high moral project, instead of people who only started with small projects because they couldn't pull in million dollar projects to skim off at the start. Kickstarter undoubtedly loves it since it's just more cash for them, despite going against their perceived public values of trying not to be the aforementioned pre-order platform. That of course is just a business speaking out of both sides of their mouth. I'm not sure the outrage behind it (either here or elsewhere on the internet) is to white knight the virtues of crowd-funding for those who really need it versus established companies/popular personalities versus just the transparency of Kickstarter becoming more apparent. I think it's all just ratcheting up to that point where someone like EA asks for crowd funding in a popular IP and it will really explode. These projects probably always be maligned.
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I've always had issues with people who can afford (and easily afford) to do the thing anyway using kickstarter (such as this PA podcast thing). A fool and his money I guess.
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May 8, 2013 21:42
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I can't believe there's been all this mention of good dinosaur tycoon games but not Dino Park Tycoon. Best edutainment the Mac-lab has to offer!
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May 8, 2013 21:45
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May 8, 2013 21:45
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Yeah, it's pretty funny how Penny Arcade mocked Kickstarter there for a while, up until the point where they realized that it was a free-for-all gold mine.
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May 8, 2013 21:49
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The only wierd thing for me about the PA kickstarter is basically moot because of the amount they've raised already, but they really should have made it a higher initial goal if they actually need new equipment and an audio guy. The stretch goals are a little wierd, too - so far there are only 2, and neither is really about 'let's make this project better.' I mean, a theme song is nice but it's not like it'll cost $19,990 dollars. Maybe it's just a problem with how I'm used to thinking about stretches in terms of game development. In the end the whole thing is basically a $10 preorder for a season of podcasts, which is totally fine -- it just feels a little lazy. Maybe it's because the end product is pretty low-effort, by design - they explicitly say that this is a fly on the wall podcast that just features them having a conversation we listen to. That's fine, and I guess if they asked for 20K to start people would be bitching about this as well -- But because the end product won't be that expensive, the reward tiers ring a little false. Jumping from 55 to 100 gets you a signed poster, so that's basically just a $45 poster. $50 more to get a pin, which is a hell of a profit margin for them. In other projects it's understood that the bulk of the money will go towards hiring a developer or paying an artist and the reward is incidental (like getting a hundred dollar mug from a PBS pledge drive,) but in this case it feels more money-grabby since the podcast is ostensibly 'turn on a microphone in the room we're in.'
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May 8, 2013 21:56
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I love how these two dudes that are so loving lazy they work four hours a goddamn day, half of which is spent literally (as in, there is video loving evidence proving this to be the case) looking at porn, spend all this time complaining about how they never have time to do anything.
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May 8, 2013 22:00
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They talked about this when their first kickstarter was running. They're basically doing this more as a patronage system than what's now the standard kickstarter model. In fact, the podcast they're making will be free to everyone.
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May 8, 2013 22:01
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Cicero posted:They talked about this when their first kickstarter was running. They're basically doing this more as a patronage system than what's now the standard kickstarter model. In fact, the podcast they're making will be free to everyone. Kickstarter's standard model is crowdfunded patronage, though? This just reeks of pure greed. Patronage implies you're a workaholic like Michelangelo or da Vinci, where you need to be funded to paint the loving Sistine Chapel or invent like a bajillion things. These are millionaires who work barely 20 hours a week asking for cash so they can free up time to spend talking into a mic. It's really not anywhere near the same thing.
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May 8, 2013 22:11
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Why is anyone buying into the PA kickstarter? I don't get it, and I thought I had made some dumb internet purchases in my time.
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May 8, 2013 22:19
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Cicero posted:They talked about this when their first kickstarter was running. They're basically doing this more as a patronage system than what's now the standard kickstarter model. In fact, the podcast they're making will be free to everyone. 'Pay what you want after a 2 week delay' isn't totally synonymous with free to everyone. I have no problem with PA trying to get out from under the advertiser thumb -- but that should be stated as an explicit part of the goal. In this case, all they say they want to fund is the podcast itself. It's an issue with compartmentalization - I don't have a problem with them turning a profit in general, but kickstarter stuff should be more focused on the end result. That said, I may well throw them ten because I listen to podcasts all day every day and I like to consume fresh media as soon as it arrives. I donated to TAL, I donated to Radiolab, and I donated to soma.fm. $10 isn't that steep for twentyish hours of audio,I just think the whole thing is pretty lazy. Compare the strech goals so far to those of Retronauts, for instance - all of theirs are focused on making more content, or better content. Blinging a usb stick just isn't very compelling. NmareBfly fucked around with this message at 22:30 on May 8, 2013 |
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May 8, 2013 22:27
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Honestly, even if their kickstarter was entirely justified, I can't imagine why you'd give money to them after the crap they've defended (Dragons Crown and that tentacle rape card game that got removed from Kickstarter). Them being millionaires who barely work as-is just makes it even more baffling a decision.
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May 8, 2013 22:30
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The Veronica Mars one was totally justified because WB needed to see that it would be profitable and crowdfunding was the only way. The Zach Braff one seems like he couldn't make the movie he wanted without crowdfunding which makes sense enough. The new PA one is just scummy, not in the sense of being a scam because its most likely not, but in the sense of "We're going to abuse crowdfunding because we're douchebags and we know you'll give us money anyway."
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May 8, 2013 22:37
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Why is anyone buying into the PA kickstarter? I don't get it, and I thought I had made some dumb internet purchases in my time.
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May 8, 2013 22:55
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Wait didn't they already do some lovely kickstarter to remove ads or something that made like hundreds of thousands of dollars?
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May 8, 2013 22:59
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Yup. They wanted 250k to remove one banner ad for their site. Now if only their comic was still funny.
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May 8, 2013 23:07
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Wait. They're still making a comic?
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Ryaomon posted:Yup. They wanted 250k to remove one banner ad for their site. The KS only covered removing the banner for one year.
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May 8, 2013 23:21
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The PA business guy, Robert Khoo, is talking about it on twitter right now. Of note is this tweet:quote:We set a low goal b/c we knew we'd likely hit any goal based on our audience size. That goal number meant little to us because of this. FWIW I think the whole thing is stupid and completely beside the point of what Kickstarter is for, which is to act as a fundraising platform where people can pledge their money on the condition that the goal will be met. If the goal is going to be met no matter what, why use Kickstarter? But on the other hand if a bunch of idiots want to give Penny Arcade money for literally zero reason (like, honestly, it's unclear what they are using the money for - bandwidth for the podcast I guess...?) I'm not really sure what the problem with that is. The idea that people like PA or Zach Braff shouldn't use Kickstarter because they can get money other ways has never seemed right to me. If people want to throw money at millionaires, go ahead.
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May 8, 2013 23:22
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Ryaomon posted:Yup. They wanted 250k to remove one banner ad for their site. It was a banner ad slot that they were taking in 250k in revenue from, hence the price.
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May 8, 2013 23:24
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TychoCelchuuu posted:The PA business guy, Robert Khoo, is talking about it on twitter right now. Of note is this tweet: I guess I'm happy that since they're not just asking for money directly, they're at least generating some revenue for Kickstarter. I like Kickstarter. If PA pulls in a couple hundred grand on this, Kickstarter gets $10k. So there's that. And, although I give zero credit to the PA guys for this, they're also generating some interesting data by doing two Kickstarters, one at $250000 and one at $10.
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May 8, 2013 23:25
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Cicero posted:So far the best thing about the these kickstarters has been the amount of impotent nerdrage they've created. I can totally understand people going "well that's dumb" or "well that's not my thing" but people are getting seriously upset that these exist when they don't, like, impact them at all. Seriously, who cares if other people stupidly give their money away? (And don't try to take the moral high ground by suggesting that the money could've gone to African orphans or something. It wouldn't have.)
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XboxPants posted:I guess I'm happy that since they're not just asking for money directly, they're at least generating some revenue for Kickstarter. I like Kickstarter. If PA pulls in a couple hundred grand on this, Kickstarter gets $10k. So there's that. Brand loyalty's a hell of a drug.
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:It didn't say that at the time of my post, and actually specifically stated that they'd keep all the money. They changed that bit. Shadow of the Eternals FAQ posted:Our financial goal is a flexible one. All contributions will go directly towards the development of this game and making it a reality. We are committed to making this game, however, if it becomes apparent that we cannot raise enough to develop this project then we will refund all pledges. So yeah they say they'll refund, but it doesn't say anything about raising enough *through this campaign*, nothing says they won't claim to be "Developing the prototype further whilst pursuing additional funds from investors" or whatever and hanging onto the cash pretty much indefinitely. Shadow of the Eternals and the new PA thing just leave such a bad taste in my mouth... on the other hand the last Penny Arcade Kickstarter spawned Stripsearch which has been surprisingly awesome (turns out I will not only watch but honestly get invested in reality TV if the contestants are genuinely nice, talented people who aren't out to backstab each other despite the format encouraging it, who knew?) So I will keep a vague eye on the new campaign in the vague hope it spawns something similarly neat.
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Unfortunately, it looks like Road Redemption isn't going to make its goal of $160,000 in the next three days, with $44,942 to go. Is there any precedent for a failed Kickstarter to be picked up by a publisher? I loved the PC version of Road Rash as a kid, so I'm really sad to see that this might not get any funding. The same goes for The Realm Game, which has 13 days left to scrape together 3/4 of its £195,000 goal. It looks like a point-and-click version of the substantially delayed game, The Last Guardian, so it'd be a shame to see this not be released either.
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I feel like Road Redemption would have been better served by a better name. "Road Redemption" sounds like generic bargain bin eurotrash.
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Illessa posted:on the other hand the last Penny Arcade Kickstarter spawned Stripsearch which has been surprisingly awesome You like Strip Search? Like, seriously, unironically, like watching it? Sincere question: why? I've been hatewatching the gently caress out of it because it's so goddamn poor in literally every respect and I sorta internet know one of the contestants. But I wouldn't even argue that it's adequate, much less anything approaching good. I mean, it's a show about finding THE NEXT BIG WEBCOMIC ARTIST that has barely any, you know, artistry. Not to mention the goddamn terrible camera work, braindead host, and the hosed-up pacing that makes everything drag on forever.
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Occupation posted:I mean, it's a show about finding THE NEXT BIG WEBCOMIC ARTIST that has barely any, you know, artistry. So an accurate version of big webcomic artists. 
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May 9, 2013 00:42
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At least Penny Arcade is kickstarting an actual creative project this time. The goal target is total bullshit, but that's more a problem with how Penny Arcade conduct themselves than Kickstarter. Honestly, these figures look more embarrassing than anything else: 
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That loving Sned posted:The same goes for The Realm Game, which has 13 days left to scrape together 3/4 of its £195,000 goal. It looks like a point-and-click version of the substantially delayed game, The Last Guardian, so it'd be a shame to see this not be released either. They really needed to show off some more gameplay, not just sketches and concept videos. If they'd have more to show I'd be all over it.
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Occupation posted:You like Strip Search? Like, seriously, unironically, like watching it? Sincere question: why? I've been hatewatching the gently caress out of it because it's so goddamn poor in literally every respect and I sorta internet know one of the contestants. But I wouldn't even argue that it's adequate, much less anything approaching good. Shoddy production aside it's refreshing to watching something where everyone is so positive about each other. I'm not huge on many of the artists, but Katie Rice has a style that reminds of weird 90s cartoons like Rocko's Modern Life and I totally dig it.
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citizenlowell posted:Shoddy production aside it's refreshing to watching something where everyone is so positive about each other. I'm not huge on many of the artists, but Katie Rice has a style that reminds of weird 90s cartoons like Rocko's Modern Life and I totally dig it. Yeah. I have my complaints, but it is great to see a reality show that is so lacking in drama.
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Qwo posted:Words cannot express how much I want The Stomping Land to get funded. It hits all the right notes: DINOSAURS, a fantastic prototype, informative video with good voiceover, and an awesome dinosaur book reward tier? It is killing me that I have no money to spare right now. This looks really interesting. The video is a just a prototype so I'm not really worried about the graphics or how floaty the game seems to be right now. Once there's a real solid engine in place with more final art I'll judge it more. Really fun ideas shown off in that video though. And the star constellation map system idea he talks about sounds really really cool if he can make it work. The only thing is I hope that there is more of a goal than just "become the strongest tribe". I hope there's more to it than that, and maybe some kind of story that goes along with it. Also coop sounds cool, but it also sounds like it's only your friends vs the computer. I wonder if he'd open it up eventually to be coop vs coop. No computers just other player tribes your tribe would be against.
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Macaluso posted:The only thing is I hope that there is more of a goal than just "become the strongest tribe". I hope there's more to it than that, and maybe some kind of story that goes along with it. Also coop sounds cool, but it also sounds like it's only your friends vs the computer. I wonder if he'd open it up eventually to be coop vs coop. No computers just other player tribes your tribe would be against.
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TychoCelchuuu posted:The PA business guy, Robert Khoo, is talking about it on twitter right now. Of note is this tweet: Yeah, basically this is the same as Penny Arcade asking for you to give them money now in big font on the front of their website, except more effective and with the possible side-effect of temporarily bringing more-than-average audience attention to the Kickstarter ecosystem. You know, more power to them if they can do it and they aren't worried about alienating people like me who see them repeatedly, cynically asking for money for nothing from their fanbase. If they're comfortable with that and think the consequences will be minimal, welp, that's great for them. It's not enough to really raise my hackles, it's just kind of disappointing. Every time they do something lovely I just kind of passively hope they learn something and do better next time. Guess I'm losing hope. speng31b fucked around with this message at 07:15 on May 9, 2013 |
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Cryptozoic is kickstarting the (first?) digital MMO TCG, Hex: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cze/hex-mmo-trading-card-game How to play video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfOfGvkdzlI So far they've got a number of MTG pros playtesting and endorsing the game, and the organized play support looks very interesting. The idea of PvE content in a TCG is interesting, but they've essential done it in paper with the WoW Raid Decks. I'm very interested to see how this turns out.
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Qwo posted:I feel like Road Redemption would have been better served by a better name. "Road Redemption" sounds like generic bargain bin eurotrash. It's almost certainly an attempt to cash in on The Raid: Redemption. As such, I'm glad it's failed because that's pretty lame.
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mightygerm posted:Cryptozoic is kickstarting the (first?) digital MMO TCG, Hex: This looks really great. Wish I could do more but going in for $20.
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mightygerm posted:Cryptozoic is kickstarting the (first?) digital MMO TCG, Hex:
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