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Serious Frolicking posted:He remodeled his shikai and said very plainly that aside from Komamura, a destroyed bankai isn't repairable. His poison baby was mostly disintegrated. No, he said bankais 'can't go back to the way they were'. So his Bankai was remodeled instead of repaired.
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Remodeled into the exact same thing?
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BlitzBlast posted:Remodeled into the exact same thing? Well, he said it can't be repaired, but that they 'fixed' one Bankai into a weaker form. Maybe he remodeled it into something weaker. Or it's a retcon, and he never actually used his bankai after it got destroyed the first time.
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KittyEmpress posted:Well, he said it can't be repaired, but that they 'fixed' one Bankai into a weaker form. Maybe he remodeled it into something weaker. No, he definitely used it in the Szayel fight. I remember a scene of it from the anime where the baby is chewing Szayel up in its mouth and slurping up one of his... used-condom-tree tentacle things like a spaghetti noodle. And then later we got the scene where he, uhh.....  revived Nemu.Also I think when he used his sword to liquefy himself at the end of his fight with Uryuu, it may have reverted his bankai back into its original state before any permanent damage was done to it. I. M. Gei fucked around with this message at 03:59 on May 17, 2013 |
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BlitzBlast posted:Remodeled into the exact same thing? Well, we don't know how much the same it is other than it looks the same.
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It was a giant baby with swords sticking out during both of its appearances. It was also destroyed both times. I really don't know how to reconcile that with the permanent damage thing.
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May 17, 2013 04:17
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Maybe it's less to do with "weaker" and more along the lines of "not the same" perhaps they function differently in some cases, others may be weaker/more fragile, or whatever. It's Kubo, just go with it
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May 17, 2013 04:25
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Well, technically the second time the Bankai self-destructed so maybe that's some kind of loophole-- although I think we actually saw the blade broken there, isn't that when Mayuri snapped it in half to teach it a lesson? Maybe willful destruction is different. I don't know if his bankai necessarily 'died' in his encounter with Uryuu, it may have been holding on and Mayuri going goo-form might have recalled the bankai before it was actually destroyed. It's been a while, I don't recall if Konjiki Ashisogi Jizou actually blew up or died or anything in the Uryuu fight. I don't care, either way, Mayuri owns.
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May 17, 2013 04:55
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I specifically remember Uryuu punking Mayuri's bankai so hard it was split down the middle, I'm guessing when Mayuri modifies his bankai he gives it all the same abilities except this time it's a brighter shade of yellow, or the poison it spews is lavender.
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But really, Renji can't replace the blades on his bankai but Mayuri can replace the baby, blade and poison parts on his at will. Considering that the primary example of a bankai being destroyed is Mayuri, this is nothing but a retcon.
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BlitzBlast posted:Remodeled into the exact same thing? Spew poison, be creepy isn't the most precise of abilities. Lets say that he did remodel it into the same shape with a different kind of poison. If that were laid out as cannon, would it be a retcon or Kubo being Kubo?
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Serious Frolicking posted:But really, Renji can't replace the blades on his bankai but Mayuri can replace the baby, blade and poison parts on his at will. Considering that the primary example of a bankai being destroyed is Mayuri, this is nothing but a retcon. One the other hand, Mayuri is the only person who actually constructed their Bankai. Since his is already less an organic extension of his powers and more a Frankenstein, it's really not that unreasonable that it works differently than the others.
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Mayuri also frequently changes the poison he uses on his shikai (thus bankai, I would imagine) to get around anyone being able to create some kind of antidote, Unohana being one who has done so before as heard when she prods Mayuri in Hueco Mundo.
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Will we ever learn just what the heck Nemu is supposed to be? Or see her shikai?
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DrSunshine posted:Will we ever learn just what the heck Nemu is supposed to be? Or see her shikai? She's a quasi-clone of Mayuri. Her shikai is probably similar to his.
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Robviously posted:Spew poison, be creepy isn't the most precise of abilities. Lets say that he did remodel it into the same shape with a different kind of poison. If that were laid out as cannon, would it be a retcon or Kubo being Kubo? Yea, I'm guessing he remodeled his bankai long before the Uryuu fight, when he had some free time and there was no danger so that it's list of abilities included "can be reduced to almost nothing and still regenerate - just like me".
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I can't say much for his bankai after Ishida split it in two, but in the fight with Szayel I assumed it just deactivated/resealed when it turned on him. I mean yeah it blows up, but we have rarely seen anyone actually deactivate their Bankais to know what it is supposed to look like. Being an organic creature might also have something to do with Mayuri being able to fix it. Also, Mayuri is not really one to look out for others, and helping Ikkaku and Renji are probably on the bottom of his list. Unfortunately we'll probably never come back to the subject so oh well.
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I always liked the shot of Mayuri and Nemu duing one of the anime EDs (third? fourth?) that has Nemu looking as if she's practicing capoeira. She has been shown pretty knowledgable in hand-to-hand combat. She fought both Rukia and the clone version of herself in the anime (lower) all martial arts-y. I always presumed her zanpakutou was pure technology like herself, but I am certain it has built in measures that let Mayuri activate or destroy it. Still, yeah, I would love the history on Nemu, see previous 'models' and prototypes, I'm sure there's bound to be something hillarious in there. 
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I always assumed she doesn't even have a release, presumably being a robot or clone or something artificial. Especially with Ichigo's recent troubles re: asauchi, it stands to reason that you couldn't have a release without having a spiritual connection with your zanpakuto.
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Maybe she's like Yoruichi and doesn't even have a Zanpakuto. Or wait, that doesn't entirely make sense because Soi Fon has one and she has a similar skill set. Well.. uh.. 
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Zogundar posted:Maybe she's like Yoruichi and doesn't even have a Zanpakuto. Huh, has it been established that Yoruichi doesn't gave one? I thought she just never uses it for some reason. She was soi-fon's predecessor so she was a captain right?
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Rynder posted:Huh, has it been established that Yoruichi doesn't gave one? I thought she just never uses it for some reason. She was soi-fon's predecessor so she was a captain right?
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The matter of Yoruichi's sword was never made clear, even when she fought Aizen. No one in the manga has ever mentioned it at all.
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Serious Frolicking posted:The matter of Yoruichi's sword was never made clear, even when she fought Aizen. No one in the manga has ever mentioned it at all. She's the former captain of squad 2, so you would assume she's reached bankai (unless she's like Kenpachi). She was seen using it once in a flashback in the anime.
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I always assumed that Nemu was an artifical person. like a mod-soul fused into a gigai, or since she's a ghost, just an ambulatory mod soul of some kind. Then again I thought that Ururu was something similar, since that would fit with Urahara and would give her a neat backstory and poo poo, but that would count on Kubo actually giving two fucks about his old characters and I guess she and Jinta have weird inexplicable powers for no reason and she occasionally acts kinda like a robot for no reason and hey remember Don kanonji? Man, I do. He was cool.
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Stoph posted:She's the former captain of squad 2, so you would assume she's reached bankai (unless she's like Kenpachi). She was seen using it once in a flashback in the anime. Exactly. There is every reason to believe that she has a sword, except that she has never been shown with one and no one has ever mentioned the lack. Anime filler doesn't count.
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The main reason her sword hasn't shown up is "Kubo wants to focus on hand-to-hand combat when Yoruichi shows up", obviously, probably with a backup reason of "when he does reveal her sword, he wants it to have a hell of a lot of meaning behind it.", same as Urahara's Bankai. I mean, so what if she had used it against Aizen? It wouldn't changed that she got owned offscreen and didn't show up again for the rest of the arc. At least if she uses it in this arc, she'll probably get to beat the crap out of a Quincy. Maybe the one that jacked Soi-Fon's bankai. Yes, probably that. I'm betting on that.
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Syrant posted:I believe Vicissitude made that at my request a few years ago, credit where credit is due. No, not that one. I made the Nnoitra one.  Dunno where Mayuri science came from.
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VJeff posted:The main reason her sword hasn't shown up is "Kubo wants to focus on hand-to-hand combat when Yoruichi shows up", obviously, probably with a backup reason of "when he does reveal her sword, he wants it to have a hell of a lot of meaning behind it.", same as Urahara's Bankai. If Yoruichi fights a quincy during this arc, then she would be better off not bringing her sword out at all. The time has come and gone. I don't really mind that SWORD MANGA: SWORDS GONE WILD has one less sword in it. It just seems odd that the matter never came up.
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Serious Frolicking posted:Exactly. There is every reason to believe that she has a sword, except that she has never been shown with one and no one has ever mentioned the lack. Anime filler doesn't count. It was mentioned somewhere in the early manga that her sword was lost or destroyed I believe.
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Prison Warden posted:I always assumed that Nemu was an artifical person. like a mod-soul fused into a gigai, or since she's a ghost, just an ambulatory mod soul of some kind. according to the wikia: quote:"Lieutenant Kurotsuchi Nemu is an artificial entity created from the Gigai technology and Gikon technology by Captain Kurotsuchi. The same blood flows in Nemu and Captain Kurotsuchi, hence be it interest or how to spend free time, she will have many similarities as Captain Kurotsuchi." - Tite Kubo The of course on the subject of Mayuri there is always the question 100 times over of what/who he found in Szayelaporro's lab Serious Frolicking posted:If Yoruichi fights a quincy during this arc, then she would be better off not bringing her sword out at all. The time has come and gone. I don't really mind that SWORD MANGA: SWORDS GONE WILD has one less sword in it. It just seems odd that the matter never came up. I can see it now. She gets her rear end handed to her for 2 books "wow you are a tough one, I haven't had to pull out my sword in a long time (pulls out swiss army pocket knife sword out of boot)" hagie fucked around with this message at 04:18 on May 18, 2013 |
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Serious Frolicking posted:Exactly. There is every reason to believe that she has a sword, except that she has never been shown with one and no one has ever mentioned the lack. Anime filler doesn't count. She has one, it's been shown in the manga. We've just never seen it used.  I'm pretty sure that captains must achieve shikai and bankai in order to attain their position, even with lineage-based captain positions like Squad 2. So Yoruichi almost certainly has both abilities, she just doesn't use them very frequently. I'd chalk it up to the fact that the stealth force seems to focus on hand-to-hand combat (I'm fond of rereading TBTP, in that arc all the Squad 2 training we saw was martial arts and hoho/shunpo based - Soi Fon practicing with other squad members, Yoruichi training with Urahara, etc), plus the fact that her family has lots of weird little gimmicks (Tentoken, etc) as well as Urahara's influence (we've seen from the Aizen fight that he makes strange things for Yoruichi to use in battle, remember the armor she had the last time we saw her?) combine to allow her to not rely on her sword the way other soul reapers do. Elfgames posted:It was mentioned somewhere in the early manga that her sword was lost or destroyed I believe. I don't remember this at all. ETA: About Nemu - Mayuri is the master of preparation, I can't imagine he'd leave Nemu without a zanpakuto ability. It's probably complicated and will have a use only for one specific fight, just like any other tool of his creation. But given that he can 'remodel' his zanpakuto, I wouldn't put it out of the realm of possibility for him to engineer one for her. Or perhaps he even went all out and somehow created a soul for her to allow her to have her own. The sky's the limit with that dude. Also, per interviews, yeah - Mayuri, Ichigo, Zaraki, Rangiku, and Yoruichi are Kubo's favorite characters... at least they were, years ago when that interview was released. Kind of strange to me that he didn't say Rukia! Pooptimus Prime fucked around with this message at 04:53 on May 18, 2013 |
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Serious Frolicking posted:If Yoruichi fights a quincy during this arc, then she would be better off not bringing her sword out at all. The time has come and gone. I don't really mind that SWORD MANGA: SWORDS GONE WILD has one less sword in it. It just seems odd that the matter never came up. Wasn't the whole point with the fake Bach that in order to steal a bankai the thief has to understand it's limits? If so, Yoruichi is probably the best choice to pull out her sword and yell bankai. At least the first time where she helpfully explains everything about her bankai to the Quincies she's fighting.
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Gyges posted:Wasn't the whole point with the fake Bach that in order to steal a bankai the thief has to understand it's limits? If so, Yoruichi is probably the best choice to pull out her sword and yell bankai. At least the first time where she helpfully explains everything about her bankai to the Quincies she's fighting. Umm, I'm not 100% on this, but I think the point was so that the real Juha Bach could go have a chat with Aizen before they killed Yamamoto and knocked all of the buildings down, which would cause Zero Squad to show up and make it hard to talk or stay alive. Also they were operating under a time limit, that probably factored in there somewhere. According to Juha Bach, to steal a bankai you just need to be k-rad enough to store the energy, and he was the only one with the capacity to steal Yamamoto's bankai. Whether that gives any breathing room to some of the higher tier Shinigami, or whether a single Quincy can steal more than one bankai has yet to be seen.
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Pooptimus Prime posted:
Probably because it never happened. So, during one panel in a flashback Yoruichi was shown with a sword. Better than nothing, I guess?
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It's also been stated that Kenpachi is the only Captain in history to not have a bankai, so that proves she had a sword.
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Of course she had a sword. The fact that she doesn't use a sword now is a pretty major plot point waiting to be revealed.
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Serious Frolicking posted:Probably because it never happened. Might have been shown more than once, that's just the first panel that came up when I GIS'ed "yoruichi sword manga" - I knew that we'd seen it at least once. My point was just to put an end to the uncertainty since people were flat-out saying it was never shown, sorry.
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hagie posted:The of course on the subject of Mayuri there is always the question 100 times over of what/who he found in Szayelaporro's lab I recall people in the last thread discussing that in the most recent databook it's explained that he found Starrk and Lillinette's hearts. Or something stupid to do with them. I guess the reason Kubo never mentioned it again is it became rather irrelevant when Starrk was killed.
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She states in the healing hot spring, when first revealing bankai, that Kenpachi is the only man in SS history to achieve the rank of captain sans bankai.Elfgames posted:It was mentioned somewhere in the early manga that her sword was lost or destroyed I believe. This never happened as far as I know, and I've read through the early parts a lot (because they are the best). Gyges posted:Wasn't the whole point with the fake Bach that in order to steal a bankai the thief has to understand it's limits? If so, Yoruichi is probably the best choice to pull out her sword and yell bankai. At least the first time where she helpfully explains everything about her bankai to the Quincies she's fighting. This was Yama's analysis of the situation, but Bach corrects him and says that he is the only one with the power maximum capable of containing Yama's bankai.
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