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A very good rule for this game is to assume that yes, you can parry it. The attacks you can't are rather rare, and the ones you can aren't necessarily things you'd expect to be able to parry (e.g. a foot stomp by a giant robot). It's also exceptionally vital to get good at this; counter-attack parries (I always called them 'perfect parries' thanks to DMC and the like) do a ton of damage and nearly always leave your opponent in slow-mo blue mode. And even though I've beaten this game like four times (still haven't steeled myself for Revengence difficulty yet), I love seeing the enthusiasm here in showing off the game. It's like playing it again for the first time 
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Chip Cheezum posted:If anyone's worried that Raiden's going to be a whiny character like in MGS4, don't worry about it. He's passed that stage and now he's moved on to being a nerd who really wants to be as cool as Batman. Is that why he needlessly slips into Christian Bale Rasp when he spots enemies?
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May 19, 2013 21:58
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Bobbin Threadbare posted:Is that why he needlessly slips into Christian Bale Rasp when he spots enemies? His rasp now is nothing compared to how silly it gets later in the game.
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May 19, 2013 22:03
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I've only ever seen the final boss before now, so I'm interested in seeing how his rasp develops over the course of the game.
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May 19, 2013 22:09
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Bobbin Threadbare posted:Is that why he needlessly slips into Christian Bale Rasp when he spots enemies? You're not the first one to see a little bit of Christian Bale in Raiden. (Fan video. No real spoilers, just awesome.)
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May 19, 2013 22:15
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100 HOGS AGREE posted:Wow. To quote a previous post, "The games are set in a world where a man who can control bees was instrumental in defeating the Nazis". All of the Metal Gear Solid games have at least one weird thing about them, whether it's a bisexual vampire or an Alaskan shaman who can cause raven based hallucinations.
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May 19, 2013 22:23
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Rhonne posted:His rasp now is nothing compared to how silly it gets later in the game. Hahaha oh lord. To me the best part of this game (barely edging out the gameplay and controls itself) is the music direction, as has been mentioned. The way they set up the jumps and instrumentation additions/removals really gets you pumped and into the game like not much else I've played before. The music team deserves a pay raise or something. Also add me to the list of people who unironically loves the actual choices of music. When we get to the bits where the final two boss songs play I will probably be  ing out and you should too!
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May 19, 2013 22:29
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100 HOGS AGREE posted:Wow. Yes. Anyone who tells you otherwise has selective amnesia. All of them, from the original NES game to all the MGS games, are absurd.
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May 19, 2013 22:29
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Nthing the praise here. This game is amazing, and I unironically listen to the ost all the time. I do like the Normal difficulty. It's easier than DMC/Bayonetta, but it still gives plenty enough of a challenge to someone who is pretty garbage at these types of games (like me).
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May 19, 2013 22:44
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President Ark posted:Yes. Anyone who tells you otherwise has selective amnesia. All of them, from the original NES game to all the MGS games, are absurd. Poisonous Zanzibar hamsters anyone?
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May 19, 2013 22:44
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That said, of the MGS games I've played/seen this is really the first one that actively throws the absurdity in your face; depending on what parts of the other games you see you might mistake them for an actual serious spy drama/stealth action game. But they've all had pretty giant ridiculous bits - like, not "oh this one thing that happens for two minutes is kinda silly", but entire plot points/boss fights/gameplay sections/mechanics in each game have been ridiculous.
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May 19, 2013 22:46
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I'm not going to lie.. I actually kind of liked MGS2 and MGS4 Raiden. That said, I did play MGR to completion before watching Chip's MGS2 and 4 LPs in full, so it may have skewed my view a little but even disregarding what he becomes, he wasn't nearly as annoying to me in 2 or 4 as people make him out to be. I love Raiden now though. It is totally over the top and so very anime at times but I just love it. The gravel pouring out of his face increasingly as the game goes on just adds to the, at the risk of sounding silly, badassery.
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May 19, 2013 22:48
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I really want to know what people's opinions of Raiden are going to be after THOSE scenes.
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I could write about how I really like Metal Gear Solid's synthesis of various forms of media and politics and that I hope Platinum successfully does it in their own style, but I'm just going to ask where I can get a suit that I can rip off like I'm about to run the 100 meter.
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May 19, 2013 22:56
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So in the future everyone is a cyborg and wears Bikilas... Colour me interested.
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Sundowner posted:I'm not going to lie.. I actually kind of liked MGS2 and MGS4 Raiden. That said, I did play MGR to completion before watching Chip's MGS2 and 4 LPs in full, so it may have skewed my view a little but even disregarding what he becomes, he wasn't nearly as annoying to me in 2 or 4 as people make him out to be. I've warmed up to him in MGS2 since I realized he is just as lost and confused as the player is.
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Sundowner posted:I'm not going to lie.. I actually kind of liked MGS2 and MGS4 Raiden. That said, I did play MGR to completion before watching Chip's MGS2 and 4 LPs in full, so it may have skewed my view a little but even disregarding what he becomes, he wasn't nearly as annoying to me in 2 or 4 as people make him out to be. In MGS2, I felt Raiden was kind of bland. And the scene where he sees Vamp kill six armed military men and then immediately goes up to him unarmed and asks who he is didn't really help me think much of his intelligence. I'm surprised that people seem to hate MGS4 Raiden, though, since he was pretty awesome in that game.
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May 19, 2013 23:18
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greth posted:A very good rule for this game is to assume that yes, you can parry it. The attacks you can't are rather rare, and the ones you can aren't necessarily things you'd expect to be able to parry (e.g. a foot stomp by a giant robot). It's also exceptionally vital to get good at this; counter-attack parries (I always called them 'perfect parries' thanks to DMC and the like) do a ton of damage and nearly always leave your opponent in slow-mo blue mode. Parrying is pretty much your bread and butter in this game, so it's advisable to get good at it immediately. Otherwise you will be getting chumped out by basic enemies and the bosses will do unspeakable things to you.
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May 19, 2013 23:19
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This thread only has the one update so far and is already rated Gold. Goddamn.
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May 19, 2013 23:22
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If I remember correctly the instant I started reading this I was clicking 5. Ironicus is giddy as a schoolgirl, and we get to watch ridiculous anime.
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:I'm surprised that people seem to hate MGS4 Raiden, though, since he was pretty awesome in that game. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kNrIn8H32c&t=45s
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May 19, 2013 23:28
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:In MGS2, I felt Raiden was kind of bland. And the scene where he sees Vamp kill six armed military men and then immediately goes up to him unarmed and asks who he is didn't really help me think much of his intelligence. Eh, not too dissimilar from when Snake sees Gray Fox eviscerate a room full of dudes then turn invisible and his immediate reaction is "Welp, gotta go see what that's about  " back in MGS1.quote:I'm surprised that people seem to hate MGS4 Raiden, though, since he was pretty awesome in that game. I was ambivalent towards him, but I believe the hate stems from the fact that a lot of people saw the cyborg stuff as being merely a way too over-the-top effort to make Raiden cool rather than anything that made a slight amount of sense from a story perspective.
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May 19, 2013 23:32
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Raiden sounds like slightly disgruntled Sonic the Hedgehog in this game. He is trying so hard to be badass, I love it. 
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:
He was more than just pretty awesome. I mean he was able to make lightning strike inside a ship/submarine/Mount Snakemore. He was the lightning in that game.
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I've always liked Raiden, and this game looks like he'll become slightly more of a nerd. He even sounds like he's trying to be cool, what with the whole Batman voice.
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This is the quickest I've gone from not caring about a game to wanting to buy it. I love the fact that it seems like they decided to mix a bit of Travis Touchdown into Raiden. The CYBER KATANA and the offhand discussion on SAMURAI ETHICS make me think he should be wearing a low quality fedora on his days off
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greth posted:A very good rule for this game is to assume that yes, you can parry it. The attacks you can't are rather rare, and the ones you can aren't necessarily things you'd expect to be able to parry (e.g. a foot stomp by a giant robot). It's also exceptionally vital to get good at this; counter-attack parries (I always called them 'perfect parries' thanks to DMC and the like) do a ton of damage and nearly always leave your opponent in slow-mo blue mode. An important thing to keep in mind is that if you can parry an attack, the enemy glows orange, but if you can't, they glow yellow. There aren't all that many attacks that can't be parried, but if you're not paying attention, it can catch you off guard.
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CJacobs posted:Raiden sounds like slightly disgruntled Sonic the Hedgehog in this game. Funnily enough, Quinton Flynn has done the voice for Silver the Hedgehog. He's also the voice for Henry in No More Heroes. And to people complaining about realism: You have to have a healthy suspension of disbelief for this. If Raiden can throw a Ray over his head by its tail, he could have easily flung Sam a mile away to get to the president. Just sit back and let it happen.
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Test Pilot Monkey posted:And to people complaining about realism: Has anyone complained? I think the fact that the game spent its first few minutes brutally murdering the very concept of realism is what has endeared us to it so quickly.
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One thing to mention about the parrying; if you play on Easy mode you don't need to use the left stick to parry and can use the light attack button. You can pretty much just mash the light attack button to be almost invincible. That's one reason it's best to play this game on at least Normal so you get the feel of the parrying system. Unfortunately I might have to switch to Easy for the 1st DLC. I'm not a good player by any means but I was doing fine in the normal game on Normal but the DLC is kicking my rear end.
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May 20, 2013 00:52
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Seems like a simple progression of technology from Metal Gear Solid 1. Early exoskeleton? Can keep a metal gear from killing you. Metal Gear Solid 2 exoskeleton? Boobs.exe now compatible. Metal Gear Solid 4, you can now throw small metal gears. I'm sure there was an in-between phase where they had to work up the throwing .dlls for the robot parts, but by the end of this game Raiden will probably be able to throw an entire Arsenal Gear.
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May 20, 2013 00:54
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The song used for the first MAJOR boss is probably one of my favorite tracks in the game and I can't wait to post a link to it when the LP gets to that.
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johnboy3434 posted:Has anyone complained? I think the fact that the game spent its first few minutes brutally murdering the very concept of realism is what has endeared us to it so quickly. I was thinking about this: Tazzillekki posted:If the game was set further in the future, I can accept it, but 4 years is not a long time, man. I thought there were more people saying things like this, but going back I can only find this quote. Still the idea remains; just sit back and enjoy.
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drat, I love KungFuJesus, pokecapn, all the rest of them, but their stream of this game was so bad it convinced me that this game was super hard and I never picked it up, but then you come in and make it look totally awesome. Is the learning curve still as steep as I think it is though?
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Gologle posted:drat, I love KungFuJesus, pokecapn, all the rest of them, but their stream of this game was so bad it convinced me that this game was super hard and I never picked it up, but then you come in and make it look totally awesome. Is the learning curve still as steep as I think it is though? If you're like me, you'll spend a little time not getting the game and then figure it out and breeze through it and have a hell of a lot of fun doing it.
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May 20, 2013 01:58
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If you've never played a Devil May Cry game or Bayonetta, I expect the learning curve for normal to be quite steep, but not insurmountable. Probably easier to get into than Dark Souls. If you've gotten okay to good at DMC or Bayonetta, you'll probably be able to get passable at this within an afternoon. Just make a point of practicing the parry - even on Normal, the first real boss will ruin you if you can't parry semi consistently.
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Gologle posted:drat, I love KungFuJesus, pokecapn, all the rest of them, but their stream of this game was so bad it convinced me that this game was super hard and I never picked it up, but then you come in and make it look totally awesome. Is the learning curve still as steep as I think it is though? Until you learn how to properly parry (which the second video does a great job of instructing), the learning curve is similar to EVE Online or similar (GIS it). Once you learn that, the game actually feels very well balanced to your own practice and skill level.
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Gologle posted:drat, I love KungFuJesus, pokecapn, all the rest of them, but their stream of this game was so bad it convinced me that this game was super hard and I never picked it up, but then you come in and make it look totally awesome. Is the learning curve still as steep as I think it is though? Well, the learning curve isn't terrible, but there's more than a few enemies that will totally punish you if you can't figure them out. I never got too frustrated with it even though Chip's skills put mine to shame.
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Test Pilot Monkey posted:I thought there were more people saying things like this, but going back I can only find this quote. Still the idea remains; just sit back and enjoy. It's not about realism or technology. It's about major corporations and characters springing up too fast. Maybe I would've felt good about it if characters were from some minor PMC from MGS4 or something like that. Maybe if it was 8 or 10 years after MGS4 it would be feasible for the cyberification of entire corporations. I'm willing to accept that with enough technology juice, Raiden can suplex a Metal Gear Ray, but I just see how these characters mesh with the universe. Especially Sam. quote:drat, I love KungFuJesus, pokecapn, all the rest of them, but their stream of this game was so bad it convinced me that this game was super hard and I never picked it up, but then you come in and make it look totally awesome. Is the learning curve still as steep as I think it is though? No offense to those guys, but.. some people are just bad at real action games. It's not a horribly designed game like Ninja Gaiden but it's not an easy game. One mistake that most people I see play this game make is using Blade Mode for damage or just wanting to cut something.
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Tazzillekki posted:No offense to those guys, but.. some people are just bad at real action games. It's not a horribly designed game like Ninja Gaiden but it's not an easy game. One mistake that most people I see play this game make is using Blade Mode for damage or just wanting to cut something. KFJ and co. tap-danced all over GOD HAND's face. The condescension is needless.
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