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Shavnir posted:I won a GPT with my Wafo-Tapa control deck yesterday. I love these lists. Are the tec edges primarily against cavern of souls? I'm building an esper teachings deck as I build a stock of cards, and I'm wondering about the best way to approach a budget manabase. At the moment I'm thinking that shocks, basics and buddys are the way to go. I've looked at other budget (non fetch) options and they all seem dodgy in one way or the other. The trouble with running buddylands is that they require you to go heavy on the shocks, though the life loss is mitigated slightly by the lack of fetches. They also make it more difficult to run non typed duals. I'm currently looking at a manabase like this. SHOCKS 4x hallowed fountain 2x watery grave 2x godless shrine BUDDYS 4x glacial fortress 4x drowned catacombs ENTERS TAPPED 4x creeping tar pit (I need these as a second win con apart from white sun's zenith) BASICS 3x island 2x swamp 1x plains Any feedback on other ways to go about building a cheaper manabase? Unfortunately my deck choice is pretty mana hungry with esper charms and cryptic command.
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That's tricky, a lot of control decks have stringent mana requirements. I'd say your best option if you can't afford fetches or the Shadowmoor/Eventide filter lands is the Vivid cycle. I doubt it will be enough though, with cards that cost UWB and 1UUU you really need shocks+fetches, there isn't any way around it.
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Konstantin posted:That's tricky, a lot of control decks have stringent mana requirements. I'd say your best option if you can't afford fetches or the Shadowmoor/Eventide filter lands is the Vivid cycle. I doubt it will be enough though, with cards that cost UWB and 1UUU you really need shocks+fetches, there isn't any way around it. That seems fair. I guess I'll just have to run a poo poo manabase for a while until I accumulate them, but in the meantime I want to make the best of what I have. I actually am thinking that evolving wilds/terramorphic might be the way to go here, as if I'm going to have lands that enter the board tapped they may as well enable my buddys at the same time. Maybe this? SHOCKS x 6 4x hallowed fountain 1x watery grave 1x godless shrine BUDDYS x8 4x glacial fortress 4x drowned catacombs TAPPED x6 3x creeping tar pit 3x evolving wilds BASICS x6 2x island 2x swamp 2x plains What would a vivid land based manabase look like?
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Unfortunately fetches are the crux of the manabase as it mitigates damage taken from shocks and allows you to play less shocks in general. Otherwise, take out Evolving Wilds. Put in 2x Mystic Gate 1x Sunken Ruins. I'd even cut the Godless Shrine for a Nimbus Maze or something, and drop a swamp for another Creeping Tar Pit. edit: a vivid land manabase would include about 7-9 vivid lands and 3-4 reflecting pools. It wouldn't be bad, but the only time you should be losing tempo is if you're playing Creeping Tar Pit or Celestial Colonnade IMO. I assume you're not playing 2x Cruel Ultimatum and Wurmcoils to make up for all the lost time in the early-mid game. AlphaKeny1 fucked around with this message at 04:07 on Jun 11, 2013 |
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So I'm a huge hypocrite and finally tried R/G UrzaTron and I must admit its quite fun and way less expensive than I thought. I guess the lack of Bobs Tarms and Fetches really help the price of a deck
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Improbably, the Mothership has a fantastic article breaking down the top modern decks, if you want a look at what the metagame is like right now.
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That white weenie deck actually looks pretty fun to play.
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Isn't that just Soul Sisters or am I missing something?
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Jenx posted:Isn't that just Soul Sisters or am I missing something? Ajani's Pridemate and Serra Ascendant allow the deck to suddenly get really aggressive. Old Soul Sisters didn't have that sudden facepunch going for it.
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How viable is that Living End list? I'm looking to build another deck and it looks pretty cheap since I already have the fetches.
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ScarletBrother posted:How viable is that Living End list? I'm looking to build another deck and it looks pretty cheap since I already have the fetches. The more creature dependent the format, the better it gets. It rolls to anything that plays a lot of counters and Tron. It's a fun list for sure.
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:Ajani's Pridemate and Serra Ascendant allow the deck to suddenly get really aggressive. Old Soul Sisters didn't have that sudden facepunch going for it. Soul Sisters was literally the name of the deck that played those two cards. Perhaps you mean matyr proc?
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cheetah7071 posted:Soul Sisters was literally the name of the deck that played those two cards. I think he means Project X.
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I was wondering if anybody here pilots a Storm list similar to the one Jon Finkel piloted at GP Portland, and if so, if they could give me any pointers on how to pilot a deck like it. I'm looking to make a similar deck, and it would be really helpful to get some pointers.
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Sampatrick posted:I was wondering if anybody here pilots a Storm list similar to the one Jon Finkel piloted at GP Portland, and if so, if they could give me any pointers on how to pilot a deck like it. I'm looking to make a similar deck, and it would be really helpful to get some pointers. Its horribly inconsistent and you will not win without a ton of luck. Its also incredibly easy to hate.
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Sampatrick posted:I was wondering if anybody here pilots a Storm list similar to the one Jon Finkel piloted at GP Portland, and if so, if they could give me any pointers on how to pilot a deck like it. I'm looking to make a similar deck, and it would be really helpful to get some pointers. Wadjamaloo posted:Don't.
Once your Pyromancer's Ascension is online, your focus is Manamorphose -> Any other Card Draw -> Rituals. Eventually, you hit Past in Flames, at which point comboing is a fait accompli. Also, Desperate Ritual is really, really good if you can get two in hand and 3 mana to splice it, as you then can cast it twice and immediately have all the mana you'll ever need. Game 2, bring in Empty the Warrens for Grapeshot, as you'll be seeing Leyline of Sanctity and/or Witchbane Orb, and swinging for 36 is pretty cool. Also, "Slaughter Games for Grapeshot" is absolutely hilarious in that situation. Some people like Goblin Bushwhacker to swing that turn, others figure they can wait a turn to swing if there's no Pyroclasm potential. There are a few troublesome cards (Surgical Extraction is a bugaboo for sure) but with Storm (as all combo decks), honestly you just have to go off and "make them have it." Sometimes they do, but most of the time when you go off turn 3-4, they just don't have it. Also, unless your Electromancer is currently being bolted/pathed, always put spells on the stack and resolve them one at a time. Counterflux/Mindbreak Trap are around, and you don't want to get caught too badly by them (having an online Past in Flames is pretty great; remember that Increasing Vengeance is RR:Copy target spell twice under an active Past in Flames, since it doesn't care how much you paid for the flashback. The deck has a lot of paths to victory, and figuring out while you're comboing how to get the storm count to 10 is part of the fun of the deck. Shrecknet fucked around with this message at 00:39 on Jun 18, 2013 |
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Tharizdun posted:Sure. Thanks for the advice, it's really helpful to have someone with more experience explain how the deck works and what you should be looking for when you're digging for spells. Thanks 
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cheetah7071 posted:Soul Sisters was literally the name of the deck that played those two cards. I thought Soul Sisters was older.
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So while looking for relatively-budget modern decks, I came across this neat-looking Tron deck that is basically mono-artifacts with a light blue splash. It seems really sweet, and a lot less linear than the typical tron deck. I'm guessing the main win condition is giving a Kuldotha Forgemaster haste with Lightning Greaves, and then searching out an enormous artifact creature that best fits the situation. There's also Master Transmuter (who also seems great with Lightning Greaves) shenanigans, and a lot of other sweet interactions. Here's the decklist I'm looking at: Deck: Untitled Deck  //Main 1 Blightsteel Colossus 1 Inkwell Leviathan 4 Kuldotha Forgemaster 4 Lodestone Golem 2 Master Transmuter 1 Myr Battlesphere 4 Palladium Myr 1 Phyrexian Metamorph 1 Platinum Angel 2 Sundering Titan 4 Azorius Signet 4 Expedition Map 4 Lightning Greaves 3 Relic of Progenitus 4 Trinisphere 4 Darksteel Citadel 1 Island 1 Plains 2 Tectonic Edge 4 Urza's Mine 4 Urza's Power Plant 4 Urza's Tower  Display deck statisticsIt looks like a lot of fun, but I do have some concerns with it. The land count seems really low, although I guess the Palladium Myrs help with that. And can someone explain to me the four main-deck Trinispheres? Are they just a concession to the aggro/storm decks in the format? I'm sure it's a good card, but four in the main deck seem odd. Same case with the three main-deck relics. Anyway, I think this type of deck seems really sweet. It's a bizzarre twist on the more typical blue Tron lists, and while it probably isn't as reliable, it looks much more exciting and versatile. If I end up putting it together I'd probably take out the Blightsteel Colossus, just because I am not a big fan of the card. I also thought about adding in something like a few Thirst for Knowledges, but that might be a bit hard on the mana. If any of you have any experience with this sort of deck I'd like to hear from you. Any suggestions would be great, I'm familiar with modern as an outsider, but have little experience actually playing it. This deck just looks like a lot of fun, and a decent budget option to get into the format.
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Sampatrick posted:Thanks for the advice, it's really helpful to have someone with more experience explain how the deck works and what you should be looking for when you're digging for spells. Thanks One of the biggest things you have to learn in Finkelstorm is when you want to see cards. You want 1 Pyromancer's Ascension immediately, you want a Past in Flames relatively quickly, but don't need it. You also want to pay attention to how to fill your graveyard with spells without doing something stupid like casting two Gitaxian Probes before sticking the Pyromancer's Ascension. Desperate Ravings is also a card that you need to play smart. It's one of the few instants you want to play before making your land drop for the turn, because then you can maximize the chance you ditch something like a land and minimize the chance of hitting something important. One change I've made is to run Telling Time in place of Sleight of Hand. I find the instant speed and extra digging easily offsets the extra (1) in the cost, which is completely negated by a single Goblin Electromancer. Also, if you're in trouble, don't be afraid to do something like storm for 3 and then Grapeshot 4 at, say, Noble Hierarch, Noble Hierarch, Glistener Elf. It does wonders to buy you the time to craft an epically stormable hand, and you're just gonna flash back/copy Grapeshot anyway.
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Tharizdun posted:One of the biggest things you have to learn in Finkelstorm is when you want to see cards. You want 1 Pyromancer's Ascension immediately, you want a Past in Flames relatively quickly, but don't need it. You also want to pay attention to how to fill your graveyard with spells without doing something stupid like casting two Gitaxian Probes before sticking the Pyromancer's Ascension. Yeah, I can definitely see how that would be a good idea. I was actually thinking of removing the one Peer through Depths with an epic experiment; I think that it would be very strong as a one of, because a couple of times I've found myself with a massive amount of mana and nothing to do with it, and it just seems like a good way to sink a bunch of excess mana. What do you think of this idea?
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Sampatrick posted:Yeah, I can definitely see how that would be a good idea. I was actually thinking of removing the one Peer through Depths with an epic experiment; I think that it would be very strong as a one of, because a couple of times I've found myself with a massive amount of mana and nothing to do with it, and it just seems like a good way to sink a bunch of excess mana. What do you think of this idea? The Epic Experiments version of Storm is a whole other deck. Trust me, there will be times when your storm count hits 25 but you still haven't seen a Grapeshot, and you'll be glad you can dig 10 cards for almost no mana. Just - build (or proxy) the deck as Finkel had it and goldfish it 100 times to get an idea of why certain cards are in there before you go mucking with it.
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Tharizdun posted:The Epic Experiments version of Storm is a whole other deck. Trust me, there will be times when your storm count hits 25 but you still haven't seen a Grapeshot, and you'll be glad you can dig 10 cards for almost no mana. Just - build (or proxy) the deck as Finkel had it and goldfish it 100 times to get an idea of why certain cards are in there before you go mucking with it. Alright, sounds like a good idea.
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Tharizdun posted:flash back/copy Grapeshot anyway.
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Is Regeneration really an issue in Modern? I'm grabbing the last few pieces I need for a deck, and can't find decently priced Wrath of Gods, and was wondering if Day of Judgment is good enough. I can't really think of any regeneration creatures used in modern, but I also don't have a ton of experience with the format.
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Regenerators I wouldn't be surprised to see: Thrun Experiment one Varolz Uhhhh.... welding jar??
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I think you'd be fine with DoJ, since you're in white and if something regenerates like Lotleth Troll you have Path. If it's a Thrun, you're going to have a seriously difficult time with it, though. But looking at the top 16 decklists of GP Portland, it looks like nobody really plays Thrun anymore. This is probably because straight control isn't that amazing.
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What do you consider decently priced? A look at TCGPlayer suggests to me that moderately played Wrath of Gods start at $4-5. That seems like chump change compared to the overall price tag of any deck besides I guess budget aggro. I mean, for the most part I agree with AlphaKeny, but I would really hate to auto-lose to a random Thrun or one of the Golgari trolls that I didn't have a Path for, just because I didn't want to spend $16 or less additional on a deck that I imagine is already in the hundreds of dollars.
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It depends on the edition that you want. You can get a set of near mint copies from Seventh Edition on TCGPlayer for $6.49 each, and even less if you go with Fourth, Fifth, or Sixth. But if you're black border-or-bust, then it's going to be $9.44 for Tenth Edition copies. It's not like you need to have four copies, though.
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Ah, I'm at a GP and all the shops are closed- throwing something together for the Modern event on Sunday (limited supplies/time frame). The only Wraths I saw were some extremely beat up older editions they were overcharging for (I think equivalent would be $15+. I like the modern frame/black border and cards not marked to hell, so I may wait until I can order some online to grab it. I was just curious if I could grab the Day of Judgements without sabotaging my deck too much. Thanks for the help!
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If I wanted to maybe get into Modern (or at least build a couple of halfway-decent Modern decks to whip out at the LGS once or twice a month), but haven't really played or purchased Magic products since Mirrodin Block Pt. 1, what would be the best way to build up a card stockpile to do that? I figured I could start by seeing which cards from my old collection got reprinted post-8th Edition so I know what I have to work with, but I feel like at some point I'll just have to pick a deck/archetype that I like and buy some of the key singles, not to mention the money needed for a competitive manabase (hurry up and reprint the allied fetchlands Wizards, I actually have some of those!  ) FWIW I bought a U/R pre-con from one of the recent coresets on a lark and played around with tweaking its contents, so maybe I'll start with that?
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C-Euro posted:If I wanted to maybe get into Modern (or at least build a couple of halfway-decent Modern decks to whip out at the LGS once or twice a month), but haven't really played or purchased Magic products since Mirrodin Block Pt. 1, what would be the best way to build up a card stockpile to do that? I figured I could start by seeing which cards from my old collection got reprinted post-8th Edition so I know what I have to work with, but I feel like at some point I'll just have to pick a deck/archetype that I like and buy some of the key singles, not to mention the money needed for a competitive manabase (hurry up and reprint the allied fetchlands Wizards, I actually have some of those! Honestly, you probably just want to buy into a deck. From there, I would start picking up staples. - Shocklands - Fetchlands - Scars fastlands - Snapcaster Mage - Tarmogoyf - Dark Confidant - Thoughtseize - Path to Exile - Kiki-Jiki - Vendillion Clique - Cryptic Command - Remand etc. Burn is always a good choice to buy into. Living End is also a pretty fun deck, but it can be hated out pretty easily. You may also want to look into Mono-Blue Tron.
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I'm new to Modern, and have been working on acquiring cards for BW Tokens, BW Martyr Proc, and Mono-W Soul Sisters. Just finding a deck you like and going for it is probably going to be the best answer. After the modern tournament today though, I'm really wishing I had something more aggressive. Only 14 people showed up to the Modern event at GP Bangkok- which fortunately meant even in last place I'd still walk away with enough to make my entry fee back. Prizes went down to like the top 24 or 32, can't recall. Judges decided to keep the prize payout as posted, and then kept the extra prizes that there weren't enough players for, for themselves. Over the weekend I'd seen Tron, Affinity, and a couple other decks being played when I was walking around the place, so I tried to focus my sideboard slots on things like Ghost Quarters, Kataki, Stony Silence, etc. Turns out this was 100% a mistake- 2 Infect Players 1 GW Hatebears 1 GWB Reanimator 3 Jund 2 UWR Control 1 Gargadon-Balance 1 Glass Cannon Griselbrand 1 U/R Faeries 1 RDW And my BW Martyr-Proc First match against Infect was a disaster of epic proportions, and it was all I could do to prolong the game with removal, wraths, and ghost quarters to stop the infection. In the end I never got the pieces for my own aggro or the vizkopa/martyr on the board. 0-2 Second match against Glass Cannon Griselbrand. Turn 3 Emrakul. Game two, Turn 3 Emrakul. 0-2 Third match against Gargadon. Had no idea what to expect and soon found myself with no lands. My sideboard options finally proved themselves useful until the Stony Silence got taken off. I was able to consistently wait out the Gargadon in game 2, and hold back a plains in my hand to Path it. Opponent resolved 3 Restore Balances, but I was able to keep afloat and took him down with Lingering Souls slowly but surely. Third game, all his artifacts became creatures and the most recent balance had left me with no lands to play Wrath. Still, this was the only matchup I thought I did decently against. 1-2 Fourth match was a buy because I am literally the worst player, and then Fifth match was against U/R Faeries. I basically was incapable of resolving any spells past the first turn. Put up a better fight in the second game, but still managed to lose it by mistakenly targeting dudes who the Faerie Lord gave Shroud. 0-2 I had a lot of fun, and enjoyed playing my deck despite the fact it was heavily, heavily outmatched. The RDW player wasn't playing anything far off from Standard, and still managed to go a solid 2-2 that I saw before dropping. After watching it in action, I'm considering putting together Burn or RDW as a secondary deck. TL;DR I am a terrible Modern Player. Please help me out with learning how to sideboard properly/broadly against a wide range of opponents.
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Shadow225 posted:Honestly, you probably just want to buy into a deck. From there, I would start picking up staples. Yikes, would I really need the big money (non-Land) cards to just compete at a LGS in Bumblefuck, USA? Or is it more of a "pick these up when you can just to expand your options" type of deal? I just want to be able to go out and have fun for now so I'll look into some of the more budget archetypes, what's a common Burn decklist (or, more generally, a good database for looking up Modern decklists)? E: Is RDW (Red Deck Wins) the same as Burn? C-Euro fucked around with this message at 16:37 on Jun 23, 2013 |
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https://mtgtop8.com has the best database of decks for Modern.
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If you played during the first mirrodin block, you might have the start of an affinity/robots deck.
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C-Euro posted:Yikes, would I really need the big money (non-Land) cards to just compete at a LGS in Bumblefuck, USA? Or is it more of a "pick these up when you can just to expand your options" type of deal? I just want to be able to go out and have fun for now so I'll look into some of the more budget archetypes, what's a common Burn decklist (or, more generally, a good database for looking up Modern decklists)? Different money cards are valued differently. 'Goyf, while the biggest cost, only really goes in 1 deck (Jund). Bob goes in slightly more decks, but not every deck as a default. From that list, I'd prioritize this way:
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Most power cards in Modern are also power cards in Legacy, which is why they're valued so highly. You will have to treat it the same way as anyone that wants to seriously get into Legacy and to get power cards that you want slowly rather than all at once. Pick out a deck that you think you can afford and play that for a while. In the meantime, start getting expensive pieces for other decks that you think you would want to play with at one or two at a time every month or so.
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Star Man posted:Most power cards in Modern are also power cards in Legacy, which is why they're valued so highly. This is especially true of creatures. Deathrite, Bob, and Goyf can carry a creature base in either format.
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