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I felt so useless the first couple days playing, but once you learn how to parry effectively, it puts you miles above the bulk of the player-base. I'm far from a complete player, but I feel like I can at least contribute positively now as opposed to just giggling at all the ridiculousness. This game is just stupid fun and if you're getting mad/frustrated, you're doing it wrong.
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boho posted:You must be pretty zen then, because rushing out a spawn and being dead 20 seconds later for an entire game unless I pussyfoot in the back as an Archer is my definition of unfun. I feel like I can't play the game. You aren't pressing C enough.
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Jul 24, 2013 19:36
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Section Z posted:I've been feeling it the opposite way. Wondering why the hell my MAA is barely faster than Vanguards or loving knights in plate mail trying to chase THEM down. Sprinting or not, unless I'm close enough to gently caress them to death, you can just whiff and whiff trying to hit them in the back while they obliviously press onwards to fight the vanguard in front of them, who then slices both your head's off in one swing. Plus most of the time people are not so moronic as to not notice 'hey, I hear footsteps desperatly trying to catch up behind me' even if you don't scream like a gentleman. Like lots of higher rank Vanguards who have mastered the art of 180 sprint helicopter swing, where they psychically time it just right to instantly U turn and zip past you, killing you with the backswing of their sword.
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Jul 24, 2013 19:38
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Scalding Coffee posted:Chasing someone is bad and that time is better spent killing. That guy isn't doing anything as well, so neither of you are accomplishing anything. Yeah if you can't catch and kill them quickly don't bother chasing. If they are running in your side of the map someone on your team will probably catch them anyways. If they are running towards their spawn, chasing will probably get you killed. Odds are you will get swarmed and killed by their team. I've had a lot of stupid deaths come from going into tunnel vision on a fleeing enemy only to realize I am now surrounded by 3 angry vanguards. FrancoFish posted:You aren't pressing C enough. The best way to enjoy this game is to find your favorite voice commands and spam them whenever the opportunity presents itself. Which reminds me, today I was playing a team death match that came down to me versus a knight and a vanguard. The knight hosed up and got killed so it was just me against the vanguard. I taunted him from a safe difference while spamming the respect command. He did the same in response. However the vanguard's taunt is really loving long so I had an opportunity to run up and chop his head off. I couldn't resist, and the resulting cheap kill caused his team to go berserk in chat. I told them it was his fault for falling for my cunning trap 
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Jul 24, 2013 19:40
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Air Julio posted:I felt so useless the first couple days playing, but once you learn how to parry effectively, it puts you miles above the bulk of the player-base. Pretty much this. If I ever do get frustrated, it's because the enemy team has people that are just so good as to not really be viable to kill. When I start to get mad, I just server hop.
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Jul 24, 2013 19:42
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My new fav thing is to feint someone into parrying. Kill them, then mash laugh over their corpse. Bonus points if you're a Mason knight. That laugh pretty accurately portrays my amusement.
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Jul 24, 2013 20:05
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Elth posted:There already is one!  I have joined and can now be found by all who choose to accompany me in playing this game. Also, unrelated, but I accomplished something I was kind of proud of. 100 wins before 100 losses in Duel. I'm now like 6-8 Wins over .500.
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Jul 24, 2013 20:06
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Oh no, I'm not even talking about chasing FLEEING enemies. I'm talking simply running after some rear end in a top hat who is the only victim in sight in kill em all modes that isn't even aware of you yet, across the hills and the valleys and to the end of time until you finally catch up with the rear end in a top hat in time for somebody else to kill them as they leap dick first onto their bastard sword. MMA doesn't feel fast, at all, when fuckers in plate mail can pretty much keep pace with me. However smart or dumb it is to chase after people at any moment, feeling as slow as the guy wearing a half ton of armor is offputting. It's a small thing, but it's been bugging me the most even compared to things that kill you. EDIT: vvv Knocking a dude's helmet off with a knife never gets old. Section Z fucked around with this message at 20:19 on Jul 24, 2013 |
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Jul 24, 2013 20:10
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This is why my MaA always runs with a set of throwing knives. Hitting some heavily wounded runner in the back and finishing him off is easily my favourite thing in the game.
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Jul 24, 2013 20:15
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I can't stand how good some people are at kiting. Its infuriating to see an enemy knight run between 5 dumbass teammates who either miss him completely or end up team killing each other. If you ever try to fight these guys they run away from you and then suddenly turn around, already swinging and kill you. I've tried doing it myself but I am terrible.
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Jul 24, 2013 20:16
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dog nougat posted:My new fav thing is to feint someone into parrying. Kill them, then mash laugh over their corpse. Bonus points if you're a Mason knight. That laugh pretty accurately portrays my amusement. This works pretty well with firepot kills too, especially if it's some game design expert who hasn't played a second of any class other than vanguard.
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Jul 24, 2013 20:23
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boho posted:Yep, did the tutorial. Frankly, it sounds like your problems are latency-related rather than you not grasping the game. If not, don't worry too much about it, I had about as good results as you did when I first started. I'm still not a particularly good player; but I have performed well, and ended up King in the relevant objective maps twice. Take the vanguard, learn to parry, and cut heads off. The knight is also newbie friendly, being faster isn't much benefit if you don't know how to use your speed to your advantage yet so the extra health of that tin can is great.
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Jul 24, 2013 20:45
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Picked this up on sale the other day. Been trying to play archer...something I am not particularly good at apparently. After reading through the thread a bit I decided to try the Vanguard with a bardiche. First trip out I mashed sprint, left clicked, and lopped 2 heads before solo'ing a really terrible knight. I think I am in love 
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Jul 24, 2013 20:59
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the moments where everything comes together are jsut so sweet. THe other day I singlehandedly cleared an entire side of the throne room as a Mason, and got in to land a shot on the king before I got mobbed. The king died shortly thereafter as my teammates flooded that side in my wake. I killed about 8 people in 45 seconds or so. I finished like 21-19, so it was not like I was doing spectacular, it all just clicked for that short time. That was my finiest moment, the next game I went like 10-25 on hillside.
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Jul 24, 2013 21:04
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WoodrowSkillson posted:the moments where everything comes together are jsut so sweet. THe other day I singlehandedly cleared an entire side of the throne room as a Mason, and got in to land a shot on the king before I got mobbed. The king died shortly thereafter as my teammates flooded that side in my wake. I killed about 8 people in 45 seconds or so. I finished like 21-19, so it was not like I was doing spectacular, it all just clicked for that short time. Yeah, imo the game is built on moments like this. Was in a last team standing last night that went all the way to the 13th round. Got down to me(knight) vs a vanguard and a knight. Got lucky in that the vanguard was wounded, so one hit took him down after some brief sparring with the two of them. Then, the knight and I dueled for a good minute or so before my killing blow struck true. Chat erupted and I felt like a million bucks. I'll deal with a hundred 1-10 matches just to get another moment like that. 
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Jul 24, 2013 21:27
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Shibawanko posted:Your assumptions are based on a server with experienced players who will defend you and will dodge shots. Most servers are populated with fools who just want kills and ignore a far away player. Especially on TO defense i find it useful to be a sniper with HCB. Honestly, if your team is that awful, you really ought to be jumping into the scrum and helping them be not awful. Not to be a dick, but to be a dick, I've yet to see someone sitting back sniping contribute to the team in any kind of meaningful way, and I really doubt you're an exception. You're bitching about people fishing for kills, yet that's all you're doing. Especially on TO, if we're losing badly it is almost invariably because we have several people sitting in the back trying to score sweet headshots with impunity and not actually contributing to the objective. If all you're doing IS fishing for kills, I understand the motivation, but don't act like it's the best (or only) use of the weapon or the one that will contribute the most. boho posted:You must be pretty zen then, because rushing out a spawn and being dead 20 seconds later for an entire game unless I pussyfoot in the back as an Archer is my definition of unfun. I feel like I can't play the game. Also, don't play team last team standing, since it consists of a lot sitting around. Play a game mode where you can spawn continuously. Hog Jowls fucked around with this message at 21:48 on Jul 24, 2013 |
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Jul 24, 2013 21:41
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Air Julio posted:I'll deal with a hundred 1-10 matches just to get another moment like that. The problem with LTS is that there ARE a hundred 1-10 matches to every one good one. And for those hundred matches it's about 15 minutes of painfully boring waiting to get back to something actually good. I usually try to start a vote to change the map if the server will allow it. If it doesn't I'll be as disruptive as possible for about a minute, then declare everyone who tolerates LTS to be some reckless hyperbole, and quit out.
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Play FFA. It's how you learn to kill people. From there you graduate onto TDM and Team Objective and Dueling if that's your thing. e: Bringing an archer into a duel server and winning with your crossbow + dagger/jav is always fun. Some people get so mad that they lost to an archer.
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LTS is usually the least fun game mode, it usually attracts the most obnoxious "chivalry is serious business" types as well. Really not the game mode I'd choose when learning the ropes.
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I've never played FFA but it sounds like an awful way to learn this game. You'd have nobody to rely on and would just get killed over and over by better players since your survival depends entirely on your own skill. At least in team modes you have people to fall back on, so even if you suck your team can carry you.
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Coolguye posted:The problem with LTS is that there ARE a hundred 1-10 matches to every one good one. And for those hundred matches it's about 15 minutes of painfully boring waiting to get back to something actually good. Y'know, I actually like LTS. It arguably rewards smart gameplay more than the modes. Sure the game can be janky and get you killed for no reason sometimes. The caveat is that most players are morons who will all try to rush one guy, sometimes forcing you to square off against 5 guys at once, usually resulting in your death. Yeah it can be a nuisance waiting a couple of minutes for the next round to start, but its not really the end of the world.
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Internet Kraken posted:I've never played FFA but it sounds like an awful way to learn this game. You'd have nobody to rely on and would just get killed over and over by better players since your survival depends entirely on your own skill. At least in team modes you have people to fall back on, so even if you suck your team can carry you. It's more a handy way to get fast unlocks due to higher amount of carnage and also serves as dumb recess mode from the more objective focused game modes.
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LTS is pretty fun on the arena map because you pretty much clash in the middle and everybody's dead within a minute. The worst one is ruins because there's so many platforms and it's so easy to hide that each round takes 20 minutes of guys running around trying to find where that last archer camped out. I'm also glad FFA exists so I could finally unlock the maul, I couldn't get much done with the war hammer in regular play but I got enough kills by running up to guys fighting somebody else and hitting them from behind. Don't even have to worry about hitting the other guy since he's also an enemy.
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Internet Kraken posted:I've never played FFA Go play FFA 
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Honestly, if you want to learn to play then you're best off playing Objective. It's the only mode where you can easily practice fighting as a team or lone wolfing and running after similarly alone enemies. FFA is fun, but you don't get much practice out of it since half the time you die because it's such a clusterfuck that someone blindsides you while you're 1v1-ing. Hmm. I guess CTF wouldn't be too bad to learn on either
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Woohoo! Got my veteran Knight helmet. I think LTS is fun in it's own way, but the objectives are easily the most fun mode. Running up screaming and trying to bum rush the gate, or grouping up for a quick area clear and trying to hold your ground is just way too fun. Having to constantly change your priorities while fighting adds way more to the combat than the deathmatch modes do imo. I love how they are all multi-stage goals that tie in to one main goal. They are really well designed and the shining gem of this game in general. I hope they add more soon that are just as good.
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Free For All is good as a break into mindless combat, and you can use it to practise your combat somewhat, try out different weapons and so on. LTS is great, it's the one mode that is most rewarding of good teamplay. Only real problem is when it's on a large map where every round gets bogged down near the end until it times out because the last two/three players of each team have no idea where the remnants of the other team are.
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Jul 24, 2013 23:33
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King of the Hill is great fun for fires and smoke bombs. The best kind of fun.
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 Bow to your Lord. All it took was most of my inventory and multiple real-life dollars from selling cards 
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The worst game mode on the Classic servers is the FFA fistfight. 20 minutes is waaay too long for that round.
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emanresu tnuocca posted:LTS is usually the least fun game mode, it usually attracts the most obnoxious "chivalry is serious business" types as well. Really not the game mode I'd choose when learning the ropes. LTS is one of my favorite modes once I started playing exclusively on Classic/Multiplay servers since you don't get the types of people who only dominate in one game mode. The only bad part is that most seem to play FFA twice as often as other modes so that can get old. On the plus side it's a fun mode to goof off in. Lately I wander around with a heavy crossbow and spectate battles, cheer, then pledge my loyalty to the winner. I don't attack unless attacked but I'll follow around helping people get kills if they play along. Usually it ends in being chased by a vanguard who then gets shanked but there's been some terrific success stories.
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Glass of Milk posted:The worst game mode on the Classic servers is the FFA fistfight. 20 minutes is waaay too long for that round.
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Glass of Milk posted:The worst game mode on the Classic servers is the FFA fistfight. 20 minutes is waaay too long for that round. Is that on the tavern map with the booze barrels? I don't actually play the game on that map, I just go straight to the barrels and then run around yelling because the drunk audio effect is hilarious.
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Jymmybob posted:LTS is one of my favorite modes once I started playing exclusively on Classic/Multiplay servers since you don't get the types of people who only dominate in one game mode. The only bad part is that most seem to play FFA twice as often as other modes so that can get old. On the plus side it's a fun mode to goof off in. Lately I wander around with a heavy crossbow and spectate battles, cheer, then pledge my loyalty to the winner. I don't attack unless attacked but I'll follow around helping people get kills if they play along. Usually it ends in being chased by a vanguard who then gets shanked but there's been some terrific success stories. This man knows a good time. I do the same, but with Javelins.
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Jymmybob posted:On the plus side it's a fun mode to goof off in. Lately I wander around with a heavy crossbow and spectate battles, cheer, then pledge my loyalty to the winner. Oh my god yes. Playing LTS as something goofy like a mercenary or peaceful melee archer or something is always hilarious. I personally like playing as a knight or MAA, and just following archers around, and taunting or laughing or something. If the archer plays along I'll protect them from anyone who comes close, but if they don't I'll just let people murder them up and down while I bang my shield and shout "Kill those archers!" It gets even better when I wait until all of the archers are dead, then I kill every left over enemy on my own and the archers complain "what the gently caress bro why didnt you do that when I was still alive?" Also, trying to get people to fist fight with you. Eventually you will get a horde of fisters running around punching people, and anyone who pulls out a sword gets mobbed by both teams. My favorite thing ever was when one dude on in the arena map kept using a sword so we all just hosed him up over and over. At one point we all lined up at the top of the exit ramp, and if he came near we'd just kick him back down, until the gate closed and he died due to the AFK killing thing. He was pissed. Slappy Moose fucked around with this message at 01:24 on Jul 25, 2013 |
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Glass of Milk posted:The worst game mode on the Classic servers is the FFA fistfight. 20 minutes is waaay too long for that round. (The secret is I just spammed overhand punch until they couldn't block anymore  )But yes, random punch fests in free for alls or whatever are the best, though so far my record has only been three takers before it was Vanguard sword O'clock.
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Griz posted:Is that on the tavern map with the booze barrels? I don't actually play the game on that map, I just go straight to the barrels and then run around yelling because the drunk audio effect is hilarious. Just stand at the barrels and spam taunt/laugh. Most are designated a 'safe zone' so you can't deal or receive damage within a few feet of them. Pubbies somehow refuse to understand this so you'll be called all sorts of delightful things.
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Joined a TO match midway in that defend the king stage. I got out to see like 10 knights with tower shields surrounding the king. Spammed C a few times and soon after all 10 knights were screaming and banging their shields. 
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 Why can you swing a ten foot piece of metal and wood faster than I can punch in a straight line, Vanguard? On the bright side, I did some science and it is literally impossible to punch someone in the back if they are moving. I also saw Abe get murdered a couple times.
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