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So, everyone's favourite parliamentarian Dean Del Maestro send out some 10%ers. And he included a braille message for all his blind constituents....which was printed on, not embossed.. Also, good thing we're spending so much on crime! I mean, the last time it was at this level it was 1972! Canada's crime rate lowest since 1972 posted:Canada's police services are once again reporting fewer crimes, a continuing trend that has cut the national crime rate to its lowest level since 1972. Hmm, I wonder why the crime rate fell so much in the mid 90's?
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Because Aline was prowling the streets with a soapstone inuit carving, doling out justice as she saw fit?
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# ? Jul 25, 2013 18:34 |
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I thought the dirty little secret of the social sciences was that it's probably at least partially tied to legalizing abortion? It's been a while since I read any of those journals, mind you.
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:Because Aline was prowling the streets with a soapstone inuit carving, doling out justice as she saw fit? And her husband was choking slamming some too! Man, I'd totally read that superhero comic.
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# ? Jul 25, 2013 18:44 |
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Fine-able Offense posted:I thought the dirty little secret of the social sciences was that it's probably at least partially tied to legalizing abortion? It's been a while since I read any of those journals, mind you. Another theory that has gained some traction links violent crime with leaded gasoline: quote:IN 1994, RICK NEVIN WAS A CONSULTANT working for the US Department of Housing and Urban Development on the costs and benefits of removing lead paint from old houses. This has been a topic of intense study because of the growing body of research linking lead exposure in small children with a whole raft of complications later in life, including lower IQ, hyperactivity, behavioral problems, and learning disabilities. I really don't have the level of knowledge to evaluate whether this makes any sense but the data is at least superficially impressive. The really humbling reality of the drop in crime is that we simply don't know what exactly caused it. We can make educated guessed but its one of those many examples of a hugely significant social phenomena that is very hard to pin down exactly.
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# ? Jul 25, 2013 18:53 |
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One thing that would help, or at least give a little context, would also be the recidivism rate. If we can see what percentage, as well as numbers overall of offenders are repeat offenders, then maybe we can get an idea of whether or not rehabilitation programs are infact working.
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Fine-able Offense posted:I thought the dirty little secret of the social sciences was that it's probably at least partially tied to legalizing abortion? It's been a while since I read any of those journals, mind you. This was a position, I believe, introduced by the book Freakonomics (or at least popularized by it). Can't look it up at the moment, but it has largely been debunked (or at least the weight attributed to the effect) as being far too simplistic and not having adequate data. Causation correlation and all.
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JoelJoel posted:This was a position, I believe, introduced by the book Freakonomics (or at least popularized by it). Can't look it up at the moment, but it has largely been debunked (or at least the weight attributed to the effect) as being far too simplistic and not having adequate data. Causation correlation and all. Fair enough, it wouldn't surprise me if it was a combination of many things (including lead, apparently!), though it also won't surprise me if less unwanted kids growing up hard played a small role too.
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Fine-able Offense posted:Fair enough, it wouldn't surprise me if it was a combination of many things (including lead, apparently!), though it also won't surprise me if less unwanted kids growing up hard played a small role too. There is a little blurb on this wiki about it. Though it doesn't make a claim either way, it does exemplify the fact that there is nothing close to a consensus and methodological errors likely played a role in up playing the effect. Realistically it probably played some role, though a reverse study (did crime rates rise after abortion was restricted in certain areas?) to my knowledge, does not exist. The theory has some similarities with Puntam's thesis in Bowling Alone that posits that television and social isolation cause lower levels of civic engagement. When someone went out and studies communities (I believe in Alaska and arctic Canada) that got television later did not see similar result, leading to the conclusion that Putnam likely over stated the relationship in the data. Both cases are likely examples of one factor being over emphasized while failing to account for basic social changes, such as redefining of values, effects of social movements and social upheaval, higher education rates, less war (or rather wars that were less devastating to the American population), etc. This is why the social sciences releases a collective groan when Gladwell, Dubner, Levitt, or Lott release a book based on this kind of pop sociology and criminology that focuses on simple explanations over more complex social realities. This frustration is further compounded when policy makers rely almost exclusively on economists and popular opinion when creating legislation, as opposed to consulting the scientific community. I know the horse is beat to a pulp at this point, but this reaction to public sentiment and framing everything in economic terms that many believe leads to poo poo criminal justice policies we see being enacted. e: Paper 1 argues that the abortion homocide relationship isn't significant. Paper 2 argues that is there is a correlation strong enough to infer causation. So yeah, arguments on both sides, but I get the impression that the former paper (which is one among several arguing that the effect has been largely overestimated) is a bit more sober. e2: There is also this well established correlation: Cocaine Bear fucked around with this message at 19:36 on Jul 25, 2013 |
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There is also this well established correlation: [/quote] I certainly wanted to murder people when Java applications would often not load properly. Since switching to Chrome, these tendencies have decreased significantly.
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Helsing posted:Another theory that has gained some traction links violent crime with leaded gasoline: George Monbiot had a good article addressing this theory 6 months ago or so, responding to that Mother Jones article: quote:Yes, lead poisoning could really be a cause of violent crime Of course, there remain other theories too. One of my new favourites is the theory I heard recently about the Canadian crime stats that it's all about the baby boomers--less young people means less crime, and hence the declining rate since highs in the 70s. I don't like that one because I think it's actually true, but more just because I like blaming things on the baby boomers.
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# ? Jul 25, 2013 23:04 |
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Or instead of all that, it could just be a result of our population aging too. Hard to imagine grandpa knocking off a convenience store after all. E: f, b
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# ? Jul 25, 2013 23:57 |
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You don't know my grandfather. He's a hard-rear end son of a bitch.
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# ? Jul 26, 2013 00:52 |
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:And what about the Canadian pornography industry? This would be a major blow, forcing them down on their knees as the government regulatory bodies have nonconcentual intercourse with them. Now I have to tell the story about growing up on kind of the edge of Canada's porn industry. My great-aunt (and my Mom's godparent) use to have to contract to print Hustler magazine back when people still bought spank mags. One day when I was about 8 we went to visit the print shop and as always we where never allowed in the back, but today they left the door open and what did my 8 year old eyes see? But a big pile of spank mags spread everywhere. We never got to go back to the print shop. that's my story of Canada's porn industry.
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# ? Jul 26, 2013 01:36 |
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I consider German porn to have everything Canadian porn has and more.
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sbaldrick posted:that's my story of Canada's porn industry. Mine is working at HustlerTV for two years It was not very sexy.
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# ? Jul 26, 2013 02:29 |
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I saw Jim Flaherty's butt once in a changeroom
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In case you missed it, DND is finally back on track with procuring trucks for the military:By David Pugliese, OTTAWA CITIZEN July 25, 2013 posted:
So glad I'm not working procurement anymore.
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Rhobot Mk. II posted:In case you missed it, DND is finally back on track with procuring trucks for the military: I swear to Visnu, at this point I'm having trouble thinking of a worse system for military procurement. I'm fairly certain we would be decades ahead, and tens of billions saved, if the defence minister wore a blindfold and threw a dart at photos of the options every time we needed new stuff.
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Rhobot Mk. II posted:
So basically, we will see this materializing in the later half of the century.
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Finally, the Globe has found the solution for Canada - a simple, low flat tax. Because Canada and Hong Kong are so similar, you see.Globe and Mail posted:“I did a little calculation yesterday,” says Stuart Iliffe, a Canadian working in Hong Kong as chief financial officer of publishing house PPP Co. Ltd. A CFO that doesn't understand how tax brackets work!? What a world. In the worst case scenario (no deductions at all while that HK man is using that married allowance) for that $100,000 earner (Quebec), he would actually take home about $70,000. The tax code could certainly be simplified but at least present the information correctly. Shofixti fucked around with this message at 17:05 on Jul 26, 2013 |
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Yeah but that's still $20,000 less they have to donate to charity or something.
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# ? Jul 26, 2013 16:52 |
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I really have trouble deciding sometimes which is worse between the Globe and the Post. The Post is ostensibly more right-wing and has way more odious columnists writing for them, but at the same time I feel like they at least have more integrity than the Globe and are less likely to do poo poo like passing off blatant industry lobbying and advertising as 'factual' journalism.
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colonel_korn posted:The Post is ostensibly more right-wing and has way more odious columnists writing for them Margaret Wente writes for the Globe, not the Post. e: Ugggh, Lysiane Gagnon also writes for the Globe. The Post has a much higher columnist quality. (The Globe is way way worse. Right-wing passing as common-sense centrism is worse than right-wing honest about being right-wing every day.) Pinterest Mom fucked around with this message at 17:09 on Jul 26, 2013 |
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Hope Kinsella's not talking about you, TT.. http://warrenkinsella.com/2013/07/an-open-tweet-to-voters-in-ottawa-south/
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brucio posted:Hope Kinsella's not talking about you, TT.. As much as I would hate to step in here, no, it's not refering to TT. He's actually fully employed and paid by the candidate.
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Pinterest Mom posted:Margaret Wente writes for the Globe, not the Post. I kinda feel like Wente is cancelled out by Christie Blatchford, then you have the rest including Jonathan Kay and his even worse mom Barbara, Conrad Black, Rex Murphy, Terence Corcoran, Kelly MacParland, etc. as regular contributers, plus the occasional op-ed picked up from true shits like Mark Steyn and Charles Krauthammer. I mean, Wente herself is as bad as any of them (though she recently wrote a column against the anti-vax crowd that I actually agreed with! ), but I dunno if the Globe can compete with that quantity of poo poo. The second point is definitely well taken though and is probably the thing that bugs me the most about the Globe, especially since there seems to be the perception (at least in Western Canada) that it's somehow left-leaning.
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Pinterest Mom posted:Margaret Wente writes for the Globe, not the Post. Just going to chirp in and agree with this. The Globe has really gone to poo poo in my eyes, but especially since Greenspon left as editor-in-chief.
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# ? Jul 26, 2013 17:21 |
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Provincial Liberal staffers all get a day off when there's a federal byelection in Toronto too. This is a Thing that happens.
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Should have known. Between this and his hand wringing over Trudeau's pot stance, Kinsella's batting 1000 today.
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Pinterest Mom posted:Provincial Liberal staffers all get a day off when there's a federal byelection in Toronto too. This is a Thing that happens. Is there some justification? Also, on their own they are both poo poo, but the Post is at least up front with their neoliberal, right wing nonsense. The Globe positions itself as something it isn't, which is infinitely more frustrating. Though the Post definitely has the more all-start cast of idiots filling up the opinion ranks. Though I do like Ivison, for the most part. e: I change my mind. The Globe doesn't have huge quotes from the very next loving paragraph (sometime the next sentence) punctuating every single article. They really think we are dumb. Cocaine Bear fucked around with this message at 17:46 on Jul 26, 2013 |
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Either is better than The Province or Vancouver Sun.
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JoelJoel posted:The Globe positions itself as something it isn't, which is infinitely more frustrating. What's the source for how The Globe positions itself? I have a hard time determining whether they're true to their word because I haven't read their word on it.
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# ? Jul 26, 2013 17:53 |
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The Post sometimes has actual good articles, and other times it has something so completely awful it has to be parody. They always manage to keep me on my toes. The Globe is just the same bougie liberal garbage, week after week.
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JoelJoel posted:Is there some justification? Basically while in theory we're seperate parties, we're close enough to be essentially the same party. (Note, this only applies to Ontario and Quebec really. Atlantic provinces are the same party, BC can go gently caress itself. The praries I'm not sure about. I haven't heard much from them, so I assume they are pretty independant). Now, I don't know about it, but I would not be surprised if the NDP was doing the exact same thing the other two do bunnyofdoom fucked around with this message at 17:57 on Jul 26, 2013 |
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It really, really doesn't apply in Québec. The CAQ brass are all Iggy Liberals, and a lot of provincial Liberals are federal Conservatives or NDPers. The Prairies don't really have functional Liberal parties.
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bunnyofdoom posted:As much as I would hate to step in here, no, it's not refering to TT. He's actually fully employed and paid by the candidate. I can confirm this is 100% not me. And if any staffers of Harpers are working our campaign I would be interested to know who they are because I haven't seen any yet. In fact one of the biggest pains in the rear end are that they aren't helping us enough after work hours either.
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pokeyman posted:What's the source for how The Globe positions itself? I have a hard time determining whether they're true to their word because I haven't read their word on it. If you're asking for the about section on their website that says "we are the result of a merger of an elitist liberal paper and a tory paper but consistently endorse the Liberal party or the PC party (up until recently)" then I think you need to reevaluate your life. They are juxtaposed to the National Post as our national newspapers, and in relative terms they are, in most ways, left of the Post (I did not say they were left). Yes, they endorsed the CPC in the last three (or four?) elections, but only the Star didn't. Like any organization, the newspaper has a history and record. In any case, the argument doesn't matter because both papers espouse the same nonsense, punctuated by awful op eds (and the far-too-infrequent good ones), terrible comment sections, a dwindling readership, and lack of any creative, forward thinking. Plus they all worship All Might Economy!
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JoelJoel posted:If you're asking for the about section on their website that says "we are the result of a merger of an elitist liberal paper and a tory paper but consistently endorse the Liberal party or the PC party (up until recently)" then I think you need to reevaluate your life. They are juxtaposed to the National Post as our national newspapers, and in relative terms they are, in most ways, left of the Post (I did not say they were left). Yes, they endorsed the CPC in the last three (or four?) elections, but only the Star didn't. The charges laid were hypocrisy and dishonesty. I don't see any evidence for either. If y'all just complained about the paper being lovely then the conviction would be quick. Also note I haven't disagreed with anything you've written here.
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pokeyman posted:The charges laid were hypocrisy and dishonesty. I don't see any evidence for either. If y'all just complained about the paper being lovely then the conviction would be quick. Perhaps I overstated my point out of frustration over lack of any journalistic standard in this country or any political variety among our national newspapers. Guess we have to judge every issue on it's own merits.
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