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I guess they would have to give you Steam keys for the FC3 planes they're making as standalone products - e.g. A-10A, SU-25 and the rest of the FC3 aircraft as they add them. They're effectively being merged into FC3 anyway. The standalone versions are an effort to circumvent Ubisoft's LOMAC shenanigans anyway, I suppose. It's a pretty lovely barrier to entry - to require an often tricky game to acquire to be installed - a game that doesn't even have license keys itself, so it's really not an indication of anything. I don't think they intended to do an individual version of all of them, but it's probably in their best interest to just do 3d cockpits and advanced flight models for all of the fc3 planes eventually.
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They've stated they plan on doing the A-10A, F-15C, Su-27, and Su-25 as their own modules, which leaves out the Su-33 (unless that one is bundled with the Su-27) and the three MiG-29s. They stated those four were the ones coming "later this year" so maybe those are the ones that are going to be completed by December and they'll do the rest after.
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Uselessness posted:No way to get the Huey into the Steam version either which is another shame This is a lie, the vast majority of Train Sim DLC is third-party. It just has to be approved by the publisher iirc.
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I meant currently, in its beta form - not in terms of licensing. No doubt, it will be there at release. Edit - it seems they've come up with something. Hope it's the ability to import keys. Uselessness fucked around with this message at 15:20 on Aug 3, 2013 |
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Steam has plenty of games in alpha and beta. Early Access. Don't see why a mostly functionally complete beta DLC/module could not be sold as well.
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Uselessness posted:I guess they would have to give you Steam keys for the FC3 planes they're making as standalone products - e.g. A-10A, SU-25 and the rest of the FC3 aircraft as they add them. They're effectively being merged into FC3 anyway. The standalone versions are an effort to circumvent Ubisoft's LOMAC shenanigans anyway, I suppose. It's a pretty lovely barrier to entry - to require an often tricky game to acquire to be installed - a game that doesn't even have license keys itself, so it's really not an indication of anything. I don't think they intended to do an individual version of all of them, but it's probably in their best interest to just do 3d cockpits and advanced flight models for all of the fc3 planes eventually. Are the cockpits in the FC3 planes fully rendered or is it like the SU-25T where you have a flat texture for your control panels?
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Some are fully 3d right now - A-10A, F-15C, SU-27, SU-25 are the ones I believe. Here's an example of the su-27. Even the SU-25T is eventually going to get an upgrade to a 3d, 6dof cockpit too - they've said. As they make individual products out of them, I expect they'll continue with the rest. Should note that none of these have interactable cockpits, still. Steam early access - yeah, I the only thing I wasn't sure of was whether early access dlc was possible, I hadn't seen it before - but apparently it is possible. So I agree, ED and their third parties just need to commit to it and get their poo poo together. Uselessness fucked around with this message at 16:34 on Aug 3, 2013 |
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Speaking of, I thought "advanced flight model" meant everything would be clickable and functioning like in the A10C, but I can't click on anything in the A10A?
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Mr. Mallory posted:Speaking of, I thought "advanced flight model" meant everything would be clickable and functioning like in the A10C, but I can't click on anything in the A10A? Yeah it's not the clearest terminology, the advanced flight model as I understand it means it's based on physics, rather than the more basic Flaming Cliffs crafts that are more scripted - they're limited in their flight dynamics compared to what they might be capable of using the AFM. This includes details like damage modelling - if you bumble a landing in a Mig-29S (simple flight model) you'll likely just explode. If you bumble a landing in the A-10A, the landing gear will crumple and break, you'll skid - the physics allows that to happen. I recommend watching 30 seconds or so of this video for an official - if brief - explanation/example of the damage modelling in action. As demonstrated there, even the SU-25T has an advanced flight model - but it doesn't have a 3d cockpit (yet). I don't think ED even have a term for the highest fidelity simulation modules with the interactable cockpits. Study Sim maybe, but they don't seem to use it themselves, I've picked that up elsewhere. A-10C, KA-50, P-51D, UH-1H are the only ones on that level right now. SU-25T (free) and FC3 are a mix of AFM and SFM 'Survey sim'-fidelity.
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So if I buy DCS Huey with my 60% off coupon straight from Eagle Dynamics and then buy A-10c from the 10% Steam sale, will the non-steam version of DCS world detect the A-10 steam install and let me switch between the two on the fly or will I need to run the steam version of DCS world to access it? I know it's been mentioned that steam DCS world won't detect the non-steam planes, but I didn't know if it worked in reverse. Edit: I guess I just don't understand why the steam version couldn't come with a CD key that you could register with Eagle Dynamics in the same way that steam handles DLC for Games For Windows Live games (ala Bioshock 2). DeathSandwich fucked around with this message at 18:56 on Aug 3, 2013 |
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I believe it does work in reverse (my source being a tester) - haven't tried it personally, but you do get a key from Steam that you can use in the standalone DCS World client. You would have to download the module from the ED site or the ingame module manager to get the files, but you could use steam just to buy modules (as you could previously with the Steam version of A10-C standalone.) For what it's worth, the Steam DLC version of A10-C had the same key as my standalone Steam version of A-10C. I use that in the standalone [DCS World] client.
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Yeah, I bought the A-10C when it was 60% off during the Steam summer sale just to plug the CD key into DCS world.
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Uselessness posted:Yeah it's not the clearest terminology, the advanced flight model as I understand it means it's based on physics, rather than the more basic Flaming Cliffs crafts that are more scripted - they're limited in their flight dynamics compared to what they might be capable of using the AFM. This includes details like damage modelling - if you bumble a landing in a Mig-29S (simple flight model) you'll likely just explode. If you bumble a landing in the A-10A, the landing gear will crumple and break, you'll skid - the physics allows that to happen.
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Uselessness posted:Yeah it's not the clearest terminology, the advanced flight model as I understand it means it's based on physics, rather than the more basic Flaming Cliffs crafts that are more scripted - they're limited in their flight dynamics compared to what they might be capable of using the AFM. This includes details like damage modelling - if you bumble a landing in a Mig-29S (simple flight model) you'll likely just explode. If you bumble a landing in the A-10A, the landing gear will crumple and break, you'll skid - the physics allows that to happen. Ahh, that makes sense. Thanks for the explanation! Are they planning on making any more study sims?
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Seems like there's a lot of them in the works. Almost all of the third party efforts that I've paid attention to (mainly Bezcl's Mig-21Bis and Belsimtek's Mi-8) will be. Eagle Dynamics have a FW190 in the works, I believe they're also doing a Su-27SM following that (which the AFM for the FC3 SU-27 is probably in aid of). Pretty sure I saw mention of an ED-made F18 too. Here's a slightly mental unofficial roadmap that has been put together in their forums and really highlights quite how ambitious this has all gotten.
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Yeah ED is making DCS: Hornet to be released who knows. I'd actually be more surprised if they made more modules on the level of Flaming Cliffs as FC is essentially LO:MAC in a new engine. Everyone else DCS with the exception of Combined Arms (obviously) has being full sperg clickable cockpits.
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I recently bought a Saitek X-52 and a copy of Il-2, and have been fiddling with it for the past few weeks. I'm teaching an aircraft design/performance subject at university, and having no actual flight experience, wanted to at least get something vaguely similar to hands-on experience. I'm finding with Il-2 I'm not being very methodical in the way I approach flying. I don't have a good understanding of how to use my rudder during turns to minimize turn radius/rate etc. While I know the equations on paper, so far it's not translating. I picked Il-2 because I hoped the air combat aspect would help convince me to put in the time required, but I feel I'm not learning much. Il-2 has a ton of depth as a simulator, but there seems to be a real dearth of training materials. Do you guys have any recommendations for training resources?
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A book called Stick And Rudder. It's a classic.
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Which is available right here. http://books.google.com/books/about/Stick_and_Rudder_An_Explanation_of_the_A.html?id=zlaqYZYJZwQC Trivia: in The Tuskegee Airmen two pilot candidates recognize each other on a train because one of them is reading it.
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I am having joystick woes. I play Il-2 and a bunch of other games and I'm trying to get into DCS. I currently have a Logitech Extreme 3D Pro which is... bad. Feature-wise I'm totally happy with it but it started getting progressively worse after a year or so of use. I use it maybe once a week and now it's clearly approaching the end of its life: It's loose, the sensors are jittery as hell (I need like a 30% dead zone) and it loses calibration on every boot. There seems to be a bit of luck involved in the quality of the stick you get but the general theme of it seems to be that these sticks don't last. I've looked at the X52 but I'm really leery about it because its warranty period isn't any longer and I've heard it having very similar issues over time. It's a tad expensive for a disposable device. That seems to leave the higher end flight sim sticks: CH Products, Warthog, etc. Something I noticed is that they don't twist! I suppose twist is terribly unrealistic. Pedals are like another hundred euros above an already expensive stick but a bigger concern for me is that they're very non-ideal for some of the games I play. I can't really imagine trying to control an ascending rocket's or a spacecraft's roll with pedals in the event it would even work. The Warthog is out regardless, I'm not into flight sims enough as it is to spend 400 euros on a stick. Am I totally out of luck finding a stick that lasts & twists? I can always buy pedals later if I get a burning desire to fly Hueys or something. Elukka fucked around with this message at 11:19 on Aug 4, 2013 |
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So it turns out that my 60% off a DCS module coupon is currently broken and there is nowhere to redeem it on the DCS website. Their support is aware of it and is working on the fix 'eventually' so I don't exactly see high hopes in being able to use it. 
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I've said quite a few times that the Extreme 3D Pro is a great stick but should be considered a consumable. I'm on my third one. It sucks but the other features make up for it. quote:Am I totally out of luck finding a stick that lasts & twists? I can always buy pedals later if I get a burning desire to fly Hueys or something. The only other stick I'd suggest might be the Thrustmaster T16000M. It has hall effect sensors that should never lose calibration or start spiking/jittering. The thing I don't like about it is that it only has 4 buttons and a hat on the stick. The E3DP has 6. That alone kept me from buying it over my third E3DP. That being said, now that I have a HOTAS and only use the E3DP for ARMA I might give the 16000M a go.
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DeathSandwich posted:So I've plugged through the first 3 or 4 tutorials on the A-10 and it really doesn't seem so bad. Seems like it flies really smooth compared to IL-2. I just need to get a handle on operating the camera and laser on my HOTAS. Does anyone have a good mission that I can set an autopilot and focus solely on weapons drilling in order to get it down pat? If you haven't gotten to it in the tutorials, do the actual weapons training. Or just make your own in the editor, toss a bunch of fuel trucks somewhere and line them up!
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DeathSandwich posted:So I've plugged through the first 3 or 4 tutorials on the A-10 and it really doesn't seem so bad. Seems like it flies really smooth compared to IL-2. I just need to get a handle on operating the camera and laser on my HOTAS. Does anyone have a good mission that I can set an autopilot and focus solely on weapons drilling in order to get it down pat? http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=78416
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Figures. I go away from the Internet for a weekend, and PMDG announces that the 777 is now in wide beta. It's getting close!
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DeathSandwich posted:So I've plugged through the first 3 or 4 tutorials on the A-10 and it really doesn't seem so bad. Seems like it flies really smooth compared to IL-2. I just need to get a handle on operating the camera and laser on my HOTAS. Does anyone have a good mission that I can set an autopilot and focus solely on weapons drilling in order to get it down pat? Get Dragon's Training Pack for just such a mission: http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=68802 If you want to focus on practicing with various weapons systems, then you've got two choices. Either use the Active Pause cheat to freeze yourself in the air pointed at your targets (recommended if you're very new), or use the altitude autopilot to hold the aircraft in a safe orbit for you.
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Welp, rebuilt my PC and as a result had to reinstall everything. My X52 Pro doesn't want to play nice, and merely plugging the goddamn thing in will cause every browser on my PC to be unable to load anything, Windows to be weird and buggy, and the stick itself won't even work properly. It has done this on occasion before the rebuild, but now it's doing it every time I plug it in. It was fine yesterday when I first reinstalled the drivers. Looks like I'll be taking a break from flight sims for a while. Has anyone else had the same problem and been able to solve it? I think it might be something to do with the USB ports themselves (first it started doing it with the bottom front port, so I used the top one, now it won't work with either), but I'm not good enough at computer to work out what and I really don't feel like having the thing apart again so soon.
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It's about the same speed as a Citation 510 Mustang and also has the Garmin G1000 suite. We already have one of those available from Flight1 and it's pretty good. Since I own the Citation, I doubt I'd even bother with this release.
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Colonial Air Force posted:Plus Swimnurd hates their clickpoints. Flight1 clickpoints are horrible. I bought the new one (B200) and only flew it 3 times total so far... can't stand having to click 2 inches above what I'm actually aiming for
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Beta videos of PMDG 777 are starting to hit. Looks pretty cool. Off path descents are modeled, lots of neat systems. Definitely not just the NGX supersized. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4wpI_xwfkI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKw0L6c8-u0
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The wing flex is spectacular. Also they plan on rolling a lot of this in to the NGX with the next service pack. And for folks who don't want to do long hauls, they have a system that allows you to jump ahead, but doesn't screw up the complex systems. I don't think I would use it (and you can't on VATSIM), but it exists. E: This video shows most of the cool features, like the mouse working directly in the PFD: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjFSUkeHzBU 3 Action Economist fucked around with this message at 02:18 on Aug 8, 2013 |
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Pssh, that wing flex is ok if you are a sissy I guess. I prefer a game that gives me the full wingflex experience https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AubKzvGI2g
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Goetta posted:Pssh, that wing flex is ok if you are a sissy I guess. I prefer a game that gives me the full wingflex experience Ah, the PMDG Ornithopter.
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