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I honestly don't think this show/manga subverts many tropes at all, it definitely gets overstated by the community. The only trope that is really subverted is the whole anime "friendship and determination gives you power" stuff. Besides that, it's pretty typical shoenn stuff in a lot of ways.
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If you say so. I can only see that as your astronomical expectation bias talking after your previous post.
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my dad posted:Her face tells a thousand words here. pretty sure it's three words: gently caress, gently caress, gently caress!
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hiddenriverninja posted:pretty sure it's three words: gently caress, gently caress, gently caress! I dunno, that look of grim determination as she yanks her horse out of the way adds a few paragraphs. I mean, it's not like grim determination is an expression we often see on Sasha except when she's contemplating a really enormous bowl of chips.
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Darth Walrus posted:I dunno, that look of grim determination as she yanks her horse out of the way adds a few paragraphs. I mean, it's not like grim determination is an expression we often see on Sasha except when she's contemplating a really enormous bowl of chips. That's only her wondering how long it will take her to finish it.
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Speculative human-titan chat I pretty much agree with everyone here but I don't think the steam off Reiner is really supporting evidence. It's pretty clearly blood from his escape from the female titans hand. You can see it evaporating off of him as he descends as well.  
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Captain Invictus posted:If you say so. I can only see that as your astronomical expectation bias talking after your previous post. What previous post? Astronomical expectation bias? You wouldn't even know this since I have never posted about it but I got into Attack On Titan because I heard it was just straight up good. I never even heard it had so many supposed trope subversions until later, and honestly don't think it isn't true. I personally will attest that it is good (albeit a little overrated/oversold) but not because there are any real trope subversion. I don't think having a grimdark-ish tone is trope subversion. It's not even like trope subversion inherently makes good TV either, a lot of tropes exist for legitimate storytelling reasons.
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I misremembered you as being the other dude I quoted on the previous page. Sorry, faceless internet guy!
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I can't get enough of that guy and his tongue-biting running gag.
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So It Goes posted:What previous post? Astronomical expectation bias? You wouldn't even know this since I have never posted about it but I got into Attack On Titan because I heard it was just straight up good. I never even heard it had so many supposed trope subversions until later, and honestly don't think it isn't true. I personally will attest that it is good (albeit a little overrated/oversold) but not because there are any real trope subversion. I don't think having a grimdark-ish tone is trope subversion. It's not even like trope subversion inherently makes good TV either, a lot of tropes exist for legitimate storytelling reasons. I'm not sure where you got the idea that it was supposed to be a trope subverting masterpiece, but I will agree that it was overrated as a show. Was. As a story, I still think its fantastic, and the show itself has skipped hitting its stride and jumped straight to an all out sprint. From what we've seen of the second season so far, I am extremely impressed with this show. Wit got their poo poo together in a nice tidy bundle and are really starting to shine in every aspect. This coming from the guy that ended up doing nothing but threadshitting for several pages because I was annoyed at the pacing and the general screw ups in the first season. If this season keeps running the way it is, I'm ready to call this one of my favorites of the year.
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Just popping in to say I started watching this yesterday, and holy poo poo. I was prepared for awesome things, but I just finished episode 5 (attack on trost pt. 1) and WHAT THE gently caress. About to keep watching for more but I don't even know what to think after that ending.
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I know I am super late, but I watched the first episode, and I found my self just shouting "Holy poo poo" during the last 10 minutes, with my eyes full of tears.
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Does Eren have the same voice actor as the japanese one of Simon from Gurren Lagann?
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GreenBuckanneer posted:Does Eren have the same voice actor as the japanese one of Simon from Gurren Lagann? No, Simon was Tetsuya Kakihara and Eren is Yuuki Kaji.
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I can't think anything bad of Pixis. He's looking for a female titan, he seems to have it in for the fat cat "aristocratic" set, and he drinks only the finest of fire water. I'm getting heavy Ender's Game vibes off of this series at this point, though. I don't know if that's a common thing to feel, if it's just a side effect of character the archetypes. We have Ehren as Ender, Armin as Bean (maybe Mikasa too if you split him up), the rest of the rookie class as the jeesh, the brass playing their own games with the kids. I almost want a little clip of everybody swooping around in their 3DMG flashing "the enemy gate is down" across the bottom.
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CayTeo posted:I can't think anything bad of Pixis. He's looking for a female titan, he seems to have it in for the fat cat "aristocratic" set, and he drinks only the finest of fire water. And then in like 20 years will we get Hajime Isayama writing screeds about how Koreans are subhuman scum who must bow to the Emperor's will?
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Liquid Dinosaur posted:And then in like 20 years will we get Hajime Isayama writing screeds about how Koreans are subhuman scum who must bow to the Emperor's will? I guess we don't need to extend the metaphor to its fullest potential.
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Well Eren is clearly Hitler.
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Caught up to the latest episode over the past couple days, having dropped off around episode 8/9. I'm so looking forward to how this arc pans out. Armin's face during this scene made me burst out laughing, totally fantastic.
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So It Goes posted:I honestly don't think this show/manga subverts many tropes at all, it definitely gets overstated by the community. The only trope that is really subverted is the whole anime "friendship and determination gives you power" stuff. Besides that, it's pretty typical shoenn stuff in a lot of ways. http://miaman.tumblr.com/post/55145908818/how-shingeki-no-kyojin-attack-on-titan-is-doing Elotana fucked around with this message at 17:30 on Aug 6, 2013 |
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Elotana posted:http://miaman.tumblr.com/post/55145908818/how-shingeki-no-kyojin-attack-on-titan-is-doing That blog post would be better if it didn't focus mostly on how it doesn't treat women like sex objects. I don't really think that's a point in the show's favor, because it's something that should be regardless. Then again, I don't really watch much modern anime so my expectations are probably a bit different.
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Genocyber posted:That blog post would be better if it didn't focus mostly on how it doesn't treat women like sex objects. I don't really think that's a point in the show's favor, because it's something that should be regardless. Then again, I don't really watch much modern anime so my expectations are probably a bit different. Given how the Index/Attack on Titan crossover fanart posted in the last page casually slips in a pantyshot I'd say anime has a bit of a problem with presenting women.
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Segmentation Fault posted:Given how the Index/Attack on Titan crossover fanart posted in the last page casually slips in a pantyshot I'd say anime has a bit of a problem with presenting women. That was anime fans, not anime.
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Genocyber posted:That blog post would be better if it didn't focus mostly on how it doesn't treat women like sex objects. I don't really think that's a point in the show's favor, because it's something that should be regardless. Then again, I don't really watch much modern anime so my expectations are probably a bit different. It's a plus point because 90% of shows are horrible about that sort of thing.
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Genocyber posted:That blog post would be better if it didn't focus mostly on how it doesn't treat women like sex objects. I don't really think that's a point in the show's favor, because it's something that should be regardless. Then again, I don't really watch much modern anime so my expectations are probably a bit different. I always thought this magazine cover summed it up nicely: 
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Genocyber posted:That blog post would be better if it didn't focus mostly on how it doesn't treat women like sex objects. I don't really think that's a point in the show's favor, because it's something that should be regardless. Then again, I don't really watch much modern anime so my expectations are probably a bit different. That's not only a thing in a lot of anime, it's a thing in a lot of modern media in general, really. SnK having a pretty close to equal male:female gender ratio and female characters who can be competent (and some competent ones who have some depth at that) and aren't sexualized does, in fact, put it ahead of the pack, even when compared to a lot of media aimed at girls, to say nothing about media in general or that aimed at boys. Anyway, these latest episodes are pretty great. It's becoming hard to resist the temptation to pick the manga to not have to wait to see what happens next.
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ViggyNash posted:That was anime fans, not anime. It still serves as a good microcosm of the situation. "Oh there's a woman involved? Better throw in a panty shot!"
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Roland Jones posted:That's not only a thing in a lot of anime, it's a thing in a lot of modern media in general, really. SnK having a pretty close to equal male:female gender ratio and female characters who can be competent (and some competent ones who have some depth at that) and aren't sexualized does, in fact, put it ahead of the pack, even when compared to a lot of media aimed at girls, to say nothing about media in general or that aimed at boys. I would advise anyone that's only watching the anime to start reading the manga immediately. You won't have time to reflect on every little thing so the twists will have a much stronger impact, plus you don't run the risk of having everything spoiled in advance when someone from the manga thread "accidentally" posts here again.
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Read the manga instead of watching the anime because if you watch the anime you'll figure out the twists and it will ruin your enjoyment? I....what?  I'd say that being able to figure out twists from context/foreshadowing/etc is a lot better (and rewarding!) than if the twists come out of nowhere. e: VVV Well, my stance on that sort of thing is that if a story is good then it's still good even if I know what's gonna happen! So I am fine with just sticking to the anime since spoilers don't bother me. Srice fucked around with this message at 19:35 on Aug 6, 2013 |
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Srice posted:Read the manga instead of watching the anime because if you watch the anime you'll figure out the twists and it will ruin your enjoyment? I think it's worth reading the manga so you don't get jackasses who spoil stuff, which has already happened.
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Elotana posted:A lot of the tropes the show subverts aren't noticeable until they're pointed out. SNK is hugely popular with the Tumblr crowd because it has a good balance of female characters both in the main cast and background, and they don't wear skimpy uniforms or get sexualized death poses. Minor manga spoiler: a character later implies that they're gay, also in a matter-of-fact "no big deal" way. Discussing the spoiler: Isayama actually confirmed they're gay on the official website, or so I've heard.
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suztan posted:Discussing the spoiler: Isayama actually confirmed they're gay on the official website, or so I've heard. I don't think he as talking about those two, they're pretty obvious. I think he was referring to the scene with Reiner, Ymir and the canned herring.
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Srice posted:Read the manga instead of watching the anime because if you watch the anime you'll figure out the twists and it will ruin your enjoyment? That's why people recommend the manga first, then the anime. The manga became so popular because it's so good at context/foreshadowing/etc. As someone who reads the manga and watches the anime and loves both, I still think it is the better option to read the manga first, then watch the anime. Even though I love the anime I definitely believe they have handled certain things very poorly compared to the manga.
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Yeah I just caught with the Manga, I'll be catching up with the show this week to compare. I've already come across one instance of foreshadowing I think the Manga handled better.
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I was only using the manga spoiler to illustrate a point about the story, let's not turn this thread into CIA-level redaction or "manga's better" chat.
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Elotana posted:I was only using the manga spoiler to illustrate a point about the story, let's not turn this thread into CIA-level redaction or "manga's better" chat. We already moved the spoiler chat to the manga thread, so you don't have to worry about that.
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CayTeo posted:I can't think anything bad of Pixis. He's looking for a female titan, he seems to have it in for the fat cat "aristocratic" set, and he drinks only the finest of fire water. Ender's most important quality was leadership in being able to get a bunch of egotistical mavericks to obey his orders and follow his strategy. While in turn allowing them the room to breath and apply their skills at solving the problems Ender expected them to solve. These are two extremely interlocked facets of his character where you can't have one without the other that Eren just doesn't at all embody. The latest episode was amazing, I loved the sense of scale they exhibited and just how drat dangerous outside the walls are. Clearly a 48" TV is how this show is meant to be watched, the lighting was perfect.
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Raenir Salazar posted:Ender's most important quality was leadership in being able to get a bunch of egotistical mavericks to obey his orders and follow his strategy. While in turn allowing them the room to breath and apply their skills at solving the problems Ender expected them to solve. These are two extremely interlocked facets of his character where you can't have one without the other that Eren just doesn't at all embody. I think the Ender comparison is bullshit because, a) Eren's the worst strategist ever born of woman, and b) Ender's most defining trait is his empathy, of which Eren has none whatsoever. Eren is so far from loving and understanding his enemy that I doubt he's capable of holding the concept in his mind. But the one thing he does have is the ability to motivate people. He convinced a lot of his classmates to join the scouting legion when they thought it was tantamount to suicide, he talked up his squad at the opening to Trost, and Mikasa and Armin both tend to just shut down whenever he's not around. Natural drill sergeant, I think.
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Autonomous Monster posted:b) Ender's most defining trait is his empathy, of which Eren has none whatsoever. I wouldn't go that far - Eren seems to be a decent enough person to his classmates and comrades. He's hotheaded and confrontational, not exactly a bleeding heart, but I wouldn't say he's that bad at empathizing with people who don't represent the apocalyptic planet-eating remorseless monsters. But you're right in that comparisons to ender don't really strike me as that valid.
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