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Only just discovered that GaoGaiGar had a second OVA series in 2005 that it seems no-one has ever bothered subbing. Was it like that 2007 Giant Robo TV series that was so bad everyone forgot it existed? Edit: Maybe it was a TV series, not an OVA.
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If you're talking about Grand Glorious Gathering, it's pretty much a reedited version of the Final OVA that got shown on tv.
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Aug 3, 2013 21:13
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I've heard a lot of people bitch about GR: Giant Robo being bad but I've never met or heard of anyone whose actually seen the drat thing. I mean it was adapted by Chiaki Konaka who is a good writer and from what I understand it's more in line with the manga, which the volume I read I liked. I think the problem with it is people wanted Giant Robo The Animation The Series and got an anime based on a 45 year old manga. Personally I'd love to see it one day but no one cares because it's not Giant Robo The Animation The Series nor is it a classic.
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Aug 3, 2013 21:16
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I remember that the first few episodes got subbed back in the day. I would have liked to see where it goes because for good or ill, when Chiaki Konaka writes things he definitely doesn't half-rear end it. I really wish it aired today. Fansubbers are a lot better at getting everything subbed nowadays than they were back in '07 (to say nothing of how Crunchyroll or someone else would probably simulcast it). re: non-FINAL Gaogaigar OVA It basically cut FINAL into TV-length episodes and spliced in some footage from Betterman to try to link the shows together. I'm pretty sure the only thing new about it was that the OP was yet another take on the GGG theme. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvpJIA073JQ Srice fucked around with this message at 22:06 on Aug 3, 2013 |
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Aug 3, 2013 22:02
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Guyver posted:I've heard a lot of people bitch about GR: Giant Robo being bad but I've never met or heard of anyone whose actually seen the drat thing. I mean it was adapted by Chiaki Konaka who is a good writer and from what I understand it's more in line with the manga, which the volume I read I liked. I think the problem with it is people wanted Giant Robo The Animation The Series and got an anime based on a 45 year old manga. Personally I'd love to see it one day but no one cares because it's not Giant Robo The Animation The Series nor is it a classic. I was only going by hearsay as well, I had the raw's at one point but never got around to watching them. Nyaa has a couple of translated episodes listed, but no seeds, natch. I seem to remember it airing on a premium channel or maybe some sort of pay per view thing so no-one subbed it when it first came out and and then it disappeared into the aether. I usually love Chiaka Konaka's stuff, so I was always surprised at its reputation.
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Sakurazuka posted:I was only going by hearsay as well, I had the raw's at one point but never got around to watching them. Nyaa has a couple of translated episodes listed, but no seeds, natch. I seem to remember it airing on a premium channel or maybe some sort of pay per view thing so no-one subbed it when it first came out and and then it disappeared into the aether. I watched the first episode, and what I primarily remember was that Giant Robo has a pilot inside it, rather than being remotely controlled. Otherwise there was just too little to go on about whether it was "good" or "bad." I remember reading that the subber stopped due to hardly anyone showing interest, but that was just a rumor so take that with a grain of salt.
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did a search, this didn't come up, probably been posted https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOXjkO9DXxg
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Aug 6, 2013 02:20
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I knew and dreaded where it was going because of the music, but at least they paid proper respect along the way.
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Relin posted:did a search, this didn't come up, probably been posted Broken Loose posted:I knew and dreaded where it was going because of the music, but at least they paid proper respect along the way. 
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Aug 6, 2013 03:03
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Captain Invictus posted:This is your post. Honestly, I prefer something like this, which is well-executed and well-rounded, to something like the "Gurren Jaeger" fanart with Kamina and kid Simon piloting. If it was adult Simon and Viral? I'd be totally behind that. It's a goddamn shame that 85% of the show's fans didn't actually watch the show, though.
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Relin posted:did a search, this didn't come up, probably been posted What was the newspaper near the very end?
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Broken Loose posted:Honestly, I prefer something like this, which is well-executed and well-rounded, to something like the "Gurren Jaeger" fanart with Kamina and kid Simon piloting. Yea, how dare they have fun making fan-art of two of the more popular characters from the show, two people who had spent years as each other's only real friends and who understand each other to a pretty good degree - those bastards! If they liked Kamina over Viral then they obviously haven't seen the show for reals. Unlike you, whose opinion is objectively right. At least this isn't /m/, where there'd be several people whining that Tengen Toppa and Super Tengen Toppa were only possible within the sub-space that the Anti-Spiral created and pointing out that it's missing that one VN version of Demonbane that is basically infinite in dimensions, along with people probably complaining that Getter Emperor is only that big when we see it and is expanding infinitely as well - so should be listed as such or something.
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Broken Loose posted:Honestly, I prefer something like this, which is well-executed and well-rounded, to something like the "Gurren Jaeger" fanart with Kamina and kid Simon piloting. I know a few people who literally stopped watching the show when Kamina died. They thought that the best part of the show was gone, which completely missed the loving point. Your post seemed like just more "Curmudgeonly Old Man Broken Loose posting grumpily about Gurren Lagann" again. tsob posted:At least this isn't /m/, where there'd be several people whining that Tengen Toppa and Super Tengen Toppa were only possible within the sub-space that the Anti-Spiral created Captain Invictus fucked around with this message at 03:31 on Aug 6, 2013 |
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tsob posted:Yea, how dare they have fun making fan-art of two of the more popular characters from the show, two people who had spent years as each other's only real friends and who understand each other to a pretty good degree - those bastards! If they liked Kamina over Viral then they obviously haven't seen the show for reals. Unlike you, whose opinion is objectively right. It's not a grump thing, it's what Invictus said-- an overwhelming majority of (non-us, non-/m/) people who parade the show stopped watching the moment the plot started to actually move while celebrating how the 1-dimensional plot device is the "manliest" and a better character than the actual characters of the show. I'm not shooting down Simon and Kamina's relationship... in fact, it's one of the driving points of what is a very good show. How do I put this? Basically, imagine if the Star Wars prequels never existed. Now imagine that 9 out of 10 people who were crazy about Star Wars never watched past Obi-Wan's death and proclaimed that Obi-Wan was the best thing ever and the rest of Star Wars was forever awful because Obi-Wan didn't exist. How much Obi-Wan + Luke fanart do you see, nowadays? Does that make Luke a less well-developed character? Gurren Lagann is a great show with a few (but very few) faults. I've seen people who stopped watching Nadesico after Gai Daigohji was shot in a hangar, which is somehow worse because it happens like 3 episodes in.
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Which prompts me to ask how you know those fans were doing it because they never watched past Kamina's death, and not just because they liked Simon and Kamina? - two characters who spent quite a good chunk of the show being the principal pilots. I can't check right now, but Simon and Kamina probably dual piloted Gurren Lagann for 6 episodes, which may be more time than Simon and Viral spent together piloting and certainly ain't much less.
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tsob posted:Which prompts me to ask how you know those fans were doing it because they never watched past Kamina's death, and not just because they liked Simon and Kamina? - two characters who spent quite a good chunk of the show being the principal pilots. I can't check right now, but Simon and Kamina probably dual piloted Gurren Lagann for 6 episodes, which may be more time than Simon and Viral spent together piloting and certainly ain't much less. Real talk? Facebook. If I post something on Facebook or see a conversation on Facebook that leads to a robot discussion, I have somewhere around 20 friends that discuss things like Gosaurer and 80+ that are "drill heavens" zombies. My only complaint is that the scale video could use different music.
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Music's fine. GL's soundtrack is exceptionally good all around and syncs perfectly with the buildup. Kamina's lines are extremely easy to remember. There's not a lot like them in the rest of the series, and his lines get repeated on multiple occasions throughout the series. It's like berating someone for saying "I'll be back" or "welcome ta erf". They're catchphrases, iconic and easily recognizable.
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Really, for me, the most interesting part to me of that video was trying to see how many robots I recognized. And I guess it must've been made very recently, to include things like Valvrave.tsob posted:it's missing that one VN version of Demonbane that is basically infinite in dimensions I always thought that was from a light novel.
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Daler Mehndi posted:I always thought that was from a light novel. From what I remember the light novel prequel has a version of Demonbane that gets so big it destroys the universe it's in and wrecks other universes by brushing up against them. In the original VN Demonbane gets pretty dang powerful by the end (has a gun that shoots nuclear fusion, has a blade that one-shots anything), but in the sequel VN Demonbane has the ability to summon an infinite number of Demonbanes. IIRC the description of that is something ridiculous like "all Demonbanes from all universes that exist, have existed, will exist, will never exist, can exist, and cannot exist" and the definition of Demonbane in this context is anyone or anything that fights against evil. Jin Haganeya is kind of a silly dude.
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Is the original Dancouga worth watching? How does it hold up?
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Broken Loose posted:Real talk? Facebook. Has Gosaurer been subbed? I always liked the mechanical design in it, but didn't think anyone had ever done more than a few episodes? Regardless, I'm not talking about fans of the show in general - I'm referring specifically to the artist who did that one picture you complained about of Simon and Kamina piloting a Gurren Jaegar. How do you know they didn't do it because Simon and Kamina were for instance, a lot closer to each other and for a lot longer than Simon and Viral ever were? Something that would, I remind you, be pretty important in piloting a Jaeger due to drifting and how it works. Unless the artist of that has specifically gone on Facebook and said he never finished the show it would appear to be an assumption based on the characters they used and "No True Scotsman/GL Fan" type thinking than anything, which would be silly considering that of all the characters in the show Simon and Kamina are probably the best suited to pilot a Jaeger given the length of their shared history and the nature of their relationship. The only ones that would could possibly be better suited would be Kittan and his sisters or Gimmy and Darry, both of whom were much more more minor, if still rather beloved by a small segment fans. Daler Mehndi posted:I always thought that was from a light novel. Possibly, I'm not that familiar with Demonbane. I do kind of want to play it despite the rather icky looking porn scenes because some of the stuff I've seen posted regarding it looks hilarious. tsob fucked around with this message at 22:36 on Aug 6, 2013 |
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-Troika- posted:Is the original Dancouga worth watching? How does it hold up? I will admit that there is a cool scene between the alien emperor and one of his generals and when they do actually put some effort into the animation, which rarely happens, it's an eye popper to see Dancougar do its thing.  Unless you are really desperate for 80s mecha and have already seen Bryger, GoLion, Xabungle, Dougram, Dunbine, Macross, Ideon, Orguss, Mospeada, Vifam, L.Gaim, Southern Cross, Galient, Zeta Gundam, Votoms, Dragonar, Gundam ZZ, Patlabor and Machine Robo all of which have some kind of subs I'd avoid it.
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Guyver posted:Not really. The show has some of the worst art and animation I have ever seen in a series from the 80s and all the characters are loving frustrating. Not to mention how poorly written it was. Like in an episode the aliens attack the earth forces' munitions depot that must have had every explosive the earth had at the time and was so poorly built that one alien fighter crashing into it blew up a quarter of North America. Or the episode were a small gang of children dismantle an abandoned nuclear missile and strap its warhead to a golf cart they plan on ramming into one of the alien mechs. Really? You'd recommend Machine Robo's lovely HK subs over Dancougar? Man, you must seriously have hated it. Personally, it's one of my favorite 80s mecha. It's worth a few eps to see if you like it at the very least.
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I haven't finished Dancouga yet, but I've seen the two episodes Guyver is specifically complaining about, and I have to say it's still way better than GoLion. GoLion is a boring rear end generic pile of crap that nobody would care about if it weren't for Voltron. Japan mostly forgot it existed themselves, and it's hard to blame them. I'd easily put it over Gundam ZZ too, just to stay on that list of 80s robot shows with subs.
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Dancouga is just not very good. It's mostly pretty dull mixed with some mind-numbing dumbness and none of the characters are very likable. I gotta agree that GoLion is basically the most forgettable boring show in the universe if not for Voltron.
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Like many shows, Dancouga is best experienced via SRW where they can just trim it down to the fun parts.
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tsob posted:Possibly, I'm not that familiar with Demonbane. I do kind of want to play it despite the rather icky looking porn scenes because some of the stuff I've seen posted regarding it looks hilarious. I've only played a single route but the porn scenes I've been exposed to are uniformly ridiculous, except for one which was downright appalling, and likely intentionally so as it was rape attempt. However the rest of the time, it's pretty much a giant robot show with supernatural overtones and the usual anime hijinx. Guyver posted:I will admit that there is a cool scene between the alien emperor and one of his generals This? 
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Son Ryo posted:Really? You'd recommend Machine Robo's lovely HK subs over Dancougar? Man, you must seriously have hated it. AzraelNewtype posted:I haven't finished Dancouga yet, but I've seen the two episodes Guyver is specifically complaining about, and I have to say it's still way better than GoLion. GoLion is a boring rear end generic pile of crap that nobody would care about if it weren't for Voltron. Japan mostly forgot it existed themselves, and it's hard to blame them. I'd easily put it over Gundam ZZ too, just to stay on that list of 80s robot shows with subs. You know who directed Dancouga? Seiji Okuda. The man behind such turds as Crystal Triangle and Chojiku Romanesque Samy. Daler Mehndi posted:This?
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GoLion is still a rad as hell robot design far as I'm concerned. Pretty close to watching animated sentai, really. I thought the magic in the setting/background helped make it a little less generic too...although i suppose I still have yet to watch actual GoLion, I'm basing my opinions on Voltron, so maybe ImpAtom is correct. I said it in this thread before, but I wouldn't mind seeing the full Voltron meta-series used in a SRW game. It would be a ridiculous clusterfuck of upgrades and sidegrades though. Start of with basic 5 lion combiner Voltron, got through Voltron 3Ds extra modes, then eventually the Voltron Force center-swapping with up to 8 pilots. Wonderful madness. There is also a Voltron / Robotech crossover comic coming out soon that seems to imply some sort of weird Voltron / Valykrie hybrid is happening in it. But that of course would be a rights nightmare to ever use.
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ImpAtom posted:Like many shows, Dancouga is best experienced via SRW where they can just trim it down to the fun parts. I have the same feelings towards Dancouga Nova, myself.
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As far as Super Robots go, In my opinion, it just seems like all the recent ones have been written pretty badly. Shows like Shin Mazinger and Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann were such trainwrecks, because they latch on to the 70's nostalgia and pray for that to save their unlikable characters and terrible scripts. I couldn't stand how borderline evil Kamina was with how he treated Simon, and how Simon treated a suicidal friend, or how in Shin Mazinger that Kouji's just a jackass the entire time, and the show ends on a dumb cliffhanger because Imagawa is physically incapable of finishing anything. I'd give anything for a Super Robot show as well written as GaoGaiGar was. I'd love a show where the heroes actually act like it and aren't jerks, and some sympathetic villains like GaoGaiGar's villains were. And before you say "Well you should watch Real Robot then!" I can't stand Gundam and Geass and the like because all the characters act even more jerk-ish/evil than Gurren Lagann. Clawshrimpy fucked around with this message at 01:41 on Aug 10, 2013 |
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Well this topic is about to get a lot more interesting. I hope you realize this isn't a site that will tolerate how you usually 'debate', though. Justin_Brett fucked around with this message at 01:49 on Aug 10, 2013 |
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I was about to reply, then I saw the user name. Except now I have replied. Undone by my own plans...
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MarsDragon posted:I was about to reply, then I saw the user name. I do realize I've developed a bit of a reputation around the mecha commmunity online, but I know there's nothing I can really do to change that at this point.
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Clawshrimpy posted:I do realize I've developed a bit of a reputation around the mecha commmunity online, but I know there's nothing I can really do to change that at this point. You could change your ways.
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Daler Mehndi posted:You could change your ways. I don't know what you mean, other than "change my opinions" which is stupid because I don't ever want to give up on GaoGaiGar or my critical opinions of the shows that unfortunately succeeded it and put Super Robot in the rut it's in in terms of writing and character development. It's too important for me to just quit sticking to my guns and do a completely critical/emotional 180 cold turkey I guess.
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Oh hey it's Clawshrimpy. I remember you from PA. And from the occasional /m/ posts. This sure brings up memories. Changing your ways doesn't refer to changing your opinions btw. It's not about the opinions you have, but the way you're expressing them.
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Clawshrimpy posted:I don't know what you mean, other than "change my opinions" which is stupid because I don't ever want to give up on GaoGaiGar or my critical opinions of the shows that unfortunately succeeded it and put Super Robot in the rut it's in in terms of writing and character development. Nobody cares if you like GaoGaiGar. We just don't like it when you hate on every other mecha show for stupid reasons. You even said you were going to stop doing it a while ago, but that apparently didn't take. Hell, your first post in this thread was bitching about how no other show has lived up to the standard of a drat Transformers knock-off.
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Justin_Brett posted:Nobody cares if you like GaoGaiGar. We just don't like it when you hate on every other mecha show for stupid reasons. You even said you were going to stop doing it a while ago, but that apparently didn't take. Hell, your first post in this thread was bitching about how no other show has lived up to the standard of a drat Transformers knock-off. "stupid reasons"? I hate on them because I'm criticizing the writing and character development , but then again, most of the time it seems a show being "good or not" is judged by explosions, production values and manly bravado rather than a good story and meaningful character development, or good science fiction in general. At least, that's the best theory why such a fine piece of writing like GaoGaiGar gets outshone in the west by brainless explosions-fests like Gurren Lagann and Shin Mazinger. GaoGaiGar isn't a "Transformers knockoff" either. it you look past the "Autobot-like" designs, it's the most intelligent Super Robot show ever made.
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