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iv46vi: Apr 2, 2010

Shame on you guys for using a multinational/government corporation for you travel needs. Support our small business and use those unmarked white passenger vans that go subway to subway between Toronto and Montreal. $30 a trip, free wifei(edit:gently caress autocorrect, and goons are way too excited about a potential female), runs every other day, fewer people to tolerate.

For the truly enlightened, there's always Chinatown bus network.

iv46vi fucked around with this message at 16:07 on Aug 16, 2013

# ? Aug 16, 2013 15:20

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# ? May 9, 2024 10:28

Scald: May 5, 2008; Can't post for 26 years!

In addition to drugs they also look for alcohol, never had problems with drugs but on Canada day security told me I smelled like booze and searched my bag of stinky clothes hard.

# ? Aug 16, 2013 15:27

JohnnyCanuck: May 28, 2004; Strong And/Or Free

iv46vi posted:

Shame on you guys for using a multinational/government corporation for you travel needs. Support our small business and use those unmarked white passenger vans that go subway to subway between Toronto and Montreal. $30 a trip, free wife, runs every other day, fewer people to tolerate.

For the truly enlightened, there's always Chinatown bus network.

Free WIFE? :what:

# ? Aug 16, 2013 15:29

Cromulent_Chill: Apr 6, 2009

iv46vi posted:

Shame on you guys for using a multinational/government corporation for you travel needs. Support our small business and use those unmarked white passenger vans that go subway to subway between Toronto and Montreal. $30 a trip, free wife, runs every other day, fewer people to tolerate.

For the truly enlightened, there's always Chinatown bus network.

Would we have to take the wife? Other than that it sounds great!

e: beaten gently caress

# ? Aug 16, 2013 15:30

flakeloaf: Feb 26, 2003; Still better than android clock

Translation issue. They actually offer a free *Dutch* wife, just in case the seat cushions on the van aren't comfortable.

# ? Aug 16, 2013 15:41

bunnyofdoom: Mar 29, 2008; I've been here the whole time, and you're not my real Dad!

Man, I want a free wife. No more paying for a prostitute to watch me cry!

# ? Aug 16, 2013 15:45

Blade_of_tyshalle: Jul 12, 2009; If you think that, along the way, you're not going to fail... you're blind.

There's no one I've ever met, no matter how successful they are, who hasn't said they had their failures along the way.

Sounds like someone's just being an innovative entreprenure. We should give those fine folks tax cuts so they may create with them jobs.

# ? Aug 16, 2013 15:54

bring back old gbs: Feb 28, 2007; by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Can't you just start cutting dudes heads off willy nilly on a Greyhound? Seems like they might want to screen for that.

# ? Aug 16, 2013 15:54

Cocaine Bear: Nov 4, 2011; ACAB

ACanofPepsi posted:

Can't you just start cutting dudes heads off willy nilly on a Greyhound? Seems like they might want to screen for that.

And how, exactly, do you screen for paranoid schizophrenics when you're armed with a bunch of wanna be cop security guards? For the most safety, I guess we should just outlaw buses altogether.

# ? Aug 16, 2013 16:25

HackensackBackpack: Aug 20, 2007; Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that all you get for your money?

JoelJoel posted:

And how, exactly, do you screen for paranoid schizophrenics when you're armed with a bunch of wanna be cop security guards? For the most safety, I guess we should just outlaw buses altogether.

"Stop the war on the car!"

Here's the Toronto RED STAR (get it? because communism?) and their vendetta against Rob Ford again!

Rob Ford saves Hazel McCallion - and helps her land a big fish

Wait, what?

quote:

The salmon never had a chance.

On the other end of the line, Mississauga Mayor Hazel McCallion had the fishing rod in a steely grip.

And holding her just as tightly was Toronto Mayor Rob Ford.

Ford stepped in to save the day after the tiny 92-year-old was nearly yanked into the waters by the big fish during the Great Ontario Salmon Derby.

�Mayor, hold the mayor,� someone hollers in a video of the dramatic catch on Thursday taken by Canadian Sportfishing Television host Italo Labignan.

�I got her, I got her. Don�t worry,� says a confident Ford, his arms wrapped around the Mississauga mayor in a bear hug.
Or as he described it to a Toronto Sun reporter, �an old-time football tackle.�

�Boy was he wild, really wild,� said McCallion of the 16-pound fish to 680 News. �All of a sudden he took a dive down and boy it took me off my feet.�

�Rob Ford and all the folks were behind me watching me pull this fish in, and Rob Ford grabbed me and thank God he did,� she said. �I wouldn�t have gone overboard but I really was pulled right to the edge of the boat.�

Now, isn't that cute? :3:

# ? Aug 16, 2013 17:20

Team THEOLOGY: Nov 27, 2008

JoelJoel posted:

And how, exactly, do you screen for paranoid schizophrenics when you're armed with a bunch of wanna be cop security guards? For the most safety, I guess we should just outlaw buses altogether.

I say we employ a full psychiatric team at each bus stop!

# ? Aug 16, 2013 17:23

Cocaine Bear: Nov 4, 2011; ACAB

Leofish posted:

"Stop the war on the car!"

Here's the Toronto RED STAR (get it? because communism?) and their vendetta against Rob Ford again!

Rob Ford saves Hazel McCallion - and helps her land a big fish

Wait, what?

Now, isn't that cute?

Hottest mayor-on-mayor sex ever.

# ? Aug 16, 2013 17:24

Blade_of_tyshalle: Jul 12, 2009; If you think that, along the way, you're not going to fail... you're blind.

There's no one I've ever met, no matter how successful they are, who hasn't said they had their failures along the way.

Team THEOLOGY posted:

I say we employ a full psychiatric team at each bus stop!

But who psych-evals the psych-evallers? :ohdear:

# ? Aug 16, 2013 19:09

Rutibex: Sep 9, 2001; by Fluffdaddy

JoelJoel posted:

Hottest mayor-on-mayor sex ever.

Dear god you just made me picture Rob Ford having sex with Hazel McCallion :barf:

# ? Aug 16, 2013 19:33

bring back old gbs: Feb 28, 2007; by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

JoelJoel posted:

And how, exactly, do you screen for paranoid schizophrenics when you're armed with a bunch of wanna be cop security guards? For the most safety, I guess we should just outlaw buses altogether.

I don't think he used Paranoid Schizophrenia to cut his head off, it was some sort of knife. Maybe in the future there will be a machine that detects those.

# ? Aug 16, 2013 20:56

unlimited shrimp: Aug 30, 2008

iv46vi posted:

Shame on you guys for using a multinational/government corporation for you travel needs. Support our small business and use those unmarked white passenger vans that go subway to subway between Toronto and Montreal. $30 a trip, free wifei(edit:gently caress autocorrect, and goons are way too excited about a potential female), runs every other day, fewer people to tolerate.

My first experience when I got off the bus in DC was being offered a ride to my hotel in an unlicensed cab.
Having been pampered by the nanny state all my life, I assumed I was going to be murdered.

# ? Aug 16, 2013 21:11

Cocaine Bear: Nov 4, 2011; ACAB

ACanofPepsi posted:

I don't think he used Paranoid Schizophrenia to cut his head off, it was some sort of knife. Maybe in the future there will be a machine that detects those.

You're a loving idiot. Thanks for making it so obvious. Ignore.

# ? Aug 16, 2013 21:24

bring back old gbs: Feb 28, 2007; by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

JoelJoel posted:

You're a loving idiot. Thanks for making it so obvious. Ignore.

JoelJoel you are always right because this is the internet and you are the smartest man and not a tool who speaks in hyperbole and blames the mentally ill for their problems. IGNORE!

FAKEEDIT: Thanks for making it so obvious.

REALEDIT: Don't take this the wrong way I still think you're handsome.

bring back old gbs fucked around with this message at 23:28 on Aug 16, 2013

# ? Aug 16, 2013 21:48

Literal Hamster: Mar 11, 2012; YOSPOS

This thread is kind of terrible :smith:

Why can't we do funny ironic trainchat/buschat like Auspol/UKMT instead of bitter passive aggressive trainchat/buschat?

I think a major problem with Canada and it's political scene is that although we have a (relatively) small population with a great diversity in political opinion, all of our political discourse is basically passive aggressive sniping between everyone with an opinion, and pointed ignorance from everyone else who doesn't want to deal with the cesspit of hypocrisy and widespread corruption that makes up our government.

Passive aggressive anger and resignated silence is not good for our society or our megathread.

In other news, the third RCMP fatal shooting this month, and on a reservation too.

quote:

A 52-year-old man has died after being shot by RCMP officers on the Cold Lake First Nation, northeast of Edmonton.

RCMP were visiting a home on the reserve to execute an arrest warrant when a confrontation took place, according to a release sent out Friday.

The man, who was the subject of the warrant, was shot during the altercation, RCMP say.

He was taken to hospital where he was pronounced dead.

The RCMP reported the incident to the Alberta Serious Incident Response Team (ASIRT) � an independent body that investigates injuries or deaths that may relate to the actions of a police officer.

ASIRT members are involved in the investigation.

Alberta RCMP officers were involved in two other fatal incidents earlier this month:

One man died and another was injured after being shot by an RCMP officer at Pigeon Lake on Aug. 3.
A second man died one day after RCMP officers used a Taser on him in Leduc on Aug. 2.
In a fourth incident, ASIRT was called in to investigate after a man suspected of impaired driving was shot multiple times by RCMP officers in Grande Cache. The driver, Curtis Hallock, is known for his role on the Canadian reality TV show Mantracker.

I think the mounties are suffering just as much from a lack of proper de-escalation training and reinforcement of force as a last resort as our other police forces.

# ? Aug 16, 2013 23:03

HookShot: Dec 26, 2005

Daysvala posted:

This thread is kind of terrible Why can't we do funny ironic trainchat/buschat like Auspol/UKMT instead of bitter passive aggressive trainchat/buschat?

Haha, you think trainchat/buschat/bikechat/waterbottlechat is ironic and would actually make this thread better.

# ? Aug 17, 2013 00:06

SpannerX: Apr 26, 2010; I had a beer with Stephen Harper once and now I like him.; Fun Shoe

Daysvala posted:

" ASIRT was called in to investigate after a man suspected of impaired driving was shot multiple times by RCMP officers"

I think the mounties are suffering just as much from a lack of proper de-escalation training and reinforcement of force as a last resort as our other police forces.

You think?

Seriously though, the ~~paramilitary~~ sorry, the police, are over funded, under trained, concentrating on the wrong crimes, and full of assholes everywhere in Canada. Period. I'd rather have the real military operating as police rather than most of the fucks in police now. Sorry, lets call them what they really are, revenuers, since they certainly can't seem to figure out real crimes in my neck of the woods.

# ? Aug 17, 2013 00:15

Precambrian Video Games: Aug 19, 2002

Daysvala posted:

I think a major problem with Canada and it's political scene is that although we have a (relatively) small population with a great diversity in political opinion

No we don't. I think by most standards, the range of acceptable/popular political opinions in Canada is pretty narrow. We don't have any seriously popular racist nationalist/white supremacist parties (which is not to say that racism doesn't exist, but we have no Front National or Liga de Nord). We don't have a serious socialist movement and while our conservatives are terrible, they are hardly as extreme as their American or most European counterparts.

Daysvala posted:

In other news, the third RCMP fatal shooting this month, and on a reservation too.

I think the mounties are suffering just as much from a lack of proper de-escalation training and reinforcement of force as a last resort as our other police forces.

I think the RCMP is suffering from being an incurably corrupt organization. They really should just be disbanded at this point and restarted from scratch if they're really necessary, or just replaced with independent provincial/territorial police forces. No amount of civilian oversight or management shuffling is going to solve their problems.

# ? Aug 17, 2013 00:15

Juul-Whip: Mar 10, 2008

Speaking of the horsemen

quote:

OTTAWA � Canada�s national police force is violating the rights of some Canadians trying to access RCMP documents, according to the country�s information watchdog.

Access to Information Commissioner Suzanne Legault says over the past months her office began receiving complaints from individuals saying they were not hearing back from the RCMP after filing access to information requests.

�This past year at some point, they just completely stopped responding,� Legault said of the RCMP. �Requesters were complaining to my office, but we didn�t even have any response from the institution.�

The commissioner plans to reveal details about this in her next annual report, scheduled for release Sept. 16.

In an email, an RCMP spokesman said they are actively working to respond to all submitted requests, which have been increasing in volume and complexity. Sgt. Greg Cox maintained the force is �diligently working towards increasing our efficiency.�

Legault said she has witnessed a slow corrosion of the access system, especially over the past four months.

Her grim viewpoint is based primarily on the complaints her office receives and analyzes.

�What I�ve seen last year was really the clear signs of deterioration across the system,� she recently told Global News. �Since the beginning of this fiscal year (April 1), there has been a 50 per cent increase in the number of complaints.�

In one week this month, 80 complaints landed on Legault�s desk � a rate she says she hasn�t witnessed in the four years she�s held the post.

While Legault looks to the flow of complaints as one indicator of the state of affairs for access to information, what she�s seen with the national police force is unprecedented, she said.

�There�s actually an institution that�s completely stopped responding. Just stopped responding to requesters,� she said. �And this is not a small institution. It�s a big institution that gets a lot of requests and that has been performing somewhat steadily over the years.�

This, she said, is failing to respect the most basic obligations of the access to information laws.

A majority conservative government is pretty much a blank cheque to these guys to do whatever the gently caress they want. It will never ever ever get better as long as Harper is in the PMO.

# ? Aug 17, 2013 00:41

Team THEOLOGY: Nov 27, 2008

Ah, just because we can all come together on our hatred of Zach Paikin...

# ? Aug 17, 2013 00:43

Literal Hamster: Mar 11, 2012; YOSPOS

eXXon posted:

No we don't. I think by most standards, the range of acceptable/popular political opinions in Canada is pretty narrow. We don't have any seriously popular racist nationalist/white supremacist parties (which is not to say that racism doesn't exist, but we have no Front National or Liga de Nord). We don't have a serious socialist movement and while our conservatives are terrible, they are hardly as extreme as their American or most European counterparts.

Maybe that was just my own personal experience, the people I know seem to represent a pretty broad range of political opinions and points of view.

Team THEOLOGY posted:

Ah, just because we can all come together on our hatred of Zach Paikin...

This guy is seriously the poster child for oblivious white privilege.

# ? Aug 17, 2013 00:50

Political Whores: Feb 13, 2012

Team THEOLOGY posted:

Ah, just because we can all come together on our hatred of Zach Paikin...

no longer having Nazi demonstrations = Beacon of tolerance and peace.

That's a pretty low bar, Mr. Paikin

# ? Aug 17, 2013 00:53

Dreylad: Jun 19, 2001

THC posted:

A majority conservative government is pretty much a blank cheque to these guys to do whatever the gently caress they want. It will never ever ever get better as long as Harper is in the PMO.

This isn't a recent thing, though. The Liberals didn't do a hell of a lot to reign them in until it turned out they were raiding opposition party headquarters.

Trust me, I've tried to get documents from the 30s from CSIS/RCMP and they just deny it. That's wayyyyyy past Access limits. Hell a lot of the material they've held on to should have been turned over to the LAC by now, but you still have to go to their department for a lot of stuff in RG 146. It's a gruelling process.

# ? Aug 17, 2013 01:03

Reince Penis: Nov 15, 2007; by R. Guyovich

Cordyceps Headache posted:

no longer having Nazi demonstrations = Beacon of tolerance and peace.

That's a pretty low bar, Mr. Paikin

Not to mention the Heritage Front and their splinters were openly organizing white supremacists in Toronto as recently as 15 years ago.

# ? Aug 17, 2013 01:10

Juul-Whip: Mar 10, 2008

Dreylad posted:

This isn't a recent thing, though. The Liberals didn't do a hell of a lot to reign them in until it turned out they were raiding opposition party headquarters.

Trust me, I've tried to get documents from the 30s from CSIS/RCMP and they just deny it. That's wayyyyyy past Access limits. Hell a lot of the material they've held on to should have been turned over to the LAC by now, but you still have to go to their department for a lot of stuff in RG 146. It's a gruelling process.

Oh yeah, I guess the next prime minister will probably have favours to owe the RCMP himself so it won't get better then, either. Burn it all down.

# ? Aug 17, 2013 01:11

ZShakespeare: Jul 20, 2003; The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose!

So Powerex, a subsidiary of BC Hydro, was found guilty of profiteering during the California electricity crisis and guess who's on the hook for it!

# ? Aug 17, 2013 02:12

a primate: Jun 2, 2010

Well, the Star put up a paywall which I think hasn't been mentioned.

"CBC posted:

The Toronto Star will begin asking its web readers to pay for content starting on Tuesday.

The first month of digital access costs 99 cents, then $9.99 a month plus HST after that, but will be free for home subscribers who meet certain conditions.

Other big Canadian newspapers with paywalls in place include National Post, which charges $9.95 per month, and the Globe & Mail, which charges $19.99 per month.

The amount of variance in these new paywall costs is weirdly huge. Also, I'm not sure a Margaret Wente article is worth 20x a Rosie DiManno article.

The day The Guardian follows suit will be the day I actually care. I normally just read CBC anyway.

# ? Aug 17, 2013 02:13

Azerban: Oct 28, 2003

Hit Esc after the page has loaded, but before the paywall comes up.

~*technology*~

# ? Aug 17, 2013 02:17

ZShakespeare: Jul 20, 2003; The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose!

Don't most paywalls just use a javascript overlay? Use a plugin like noscript, or turn of JS temporarily.

# ? Aug 17, 2013 02:20

a primate: Jun 2, 2010

Yea I heard private browsing works too, but haven't cared enough about our terrible Canadian newspapers to ever try

# ? Aug 17, 2013 02:21

Ensign Expendable: Nov 11, 2008; Lager beer is proof that god loves us; Pillbug

Use Lynx, or just wget. What's a Javascript?

But yes, pressing Esc before the page completely loads works on all or nearly all paywalls.

# ? Aug 17, 2013 02:22

Justin Trudeau: Apr 4, 2009; There's a level of admiration I actually have for China because their basic dictatorship is allowing them to actually turn their economy around on a dime

ZShakespeare posted:

So Powerex, a subsidiary of BC Hydro, was found guilty of profiteering during the California electricity crisis and guess who's on the hook for it!

Christy Clark's approval rating? :v:

# ? Aug 17, 2013 02:35

Team THEOLOGY: Nov 27, 2008

The ridiculous thing is that national post lets anyone with an Idevice off Scott free as apps don't have a paywall

# ? Aug 17, 2013 02:54

Paper Mac: Mar 2, 2007; lives in a paper shack

a primate posted:

Well, the Star put up a paywall which I think hasn't been mentioned.

Pretty ballsy to ask for money for a site layout designed by a 12 year old.

# ? Aug 17, 2013 04:11

a primate: Jun 2, 2010

Paper Mac posted:

Pretty ballsy to ask for money for a site layout designed by a 12 year old.

Try the mobile site, it's far worse imo

# ? Aug 17, 2013 04:15

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# ? May 9, 2024 10:28

Paper Jam Dipper: Jul 14, 2007; by XyloJW

The problem with paywalls and the like is that the papers had their chance back in the early 2000s. They could have re-structured so that the print edition only gave you 250 words or less while the online version gave you 250 words or more, opening up for more investigative journalism and using the Internet to tell more of a story than the paper could. They could then tell print readers to use the Internet to read more on the stories and people would have paid because they knew there was more content online. Instead they tried paywalls immediately with less content than the print and it failed due to places like Yahoo just using Reuters and wire services. So now they are all attempting paywalls again without realizing that a place like Huffington Post will never use paywalls and many people are gravitating toward how they do things. We're already seeing investigative journalism go extinct in the press. I don't know how many stories I've heard from Canadian journalists who tell me how they did stories on their own dime and then had to sell it to the papers later. Now the papers don't even have the money to buy those stories. Gawker and other Internet sites on the other hand? They can and have less scruples than print.

TL:DR Egon said print was dead back in Ghostbusters in the early 80s and while it will never die, it accelerated its own cancer.

# ? Aug 17, 2013 04:17

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