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Gatts posted:EDIT: That's carrying an Alien Queen and an imprisoned Predator...and it crashes into the Robocop statue in Detroit...in the near future. FTFY edit: Which is actually a giant robocop robot piloted by robocop.
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WeAreTheRomans posted:I quite wanna watch this now. If it excises Arnie with the fabulous gay-guy glasses then it's a huge plus. I really liked the ending of T3 also. I believe the fanedit I'm referring to is The Coming Storm. It's been a few years, though so I may be mixed up. And, yeah, no stupid glasses, no boob growth.
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Aug 2, 2013 16:25
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Do people really have that much of a problem with the humor in Terminator 3? The whole premise of the Terminator series is so outlandish and silly to begin with. Some of the best moments of Terminator 2 were the comedic moments that humanized the Terminator. Do people have a problem with a Terminator saying "I need a vacation" or "chill out, dickwad"?
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Aug 2, 2013 17:31
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Those jokes are grounded in character. "Chill out dickwad" is literally from a bonding scene between him and John, as part of a larger conversation between them, with the scene shifting shortly thereafter to exposition about Miles Dyson. "Talk to the haaaaand" and the glasses and stuff is just really, really goofy in a way that feels slapped on, rather than built into the scene. They're gags for the sake of gags. The glasses one is terrible because it's just going "HEY REMEMBER THAT ICONIC FUNNY SCENE FROM THE SECOND MOVIE, WELL HERE IT IS BUT SILLIER". The play on expectations (which is what makes the original scene work - you think he's going to just murder the guy, but then he just takes his sunglasses) isn't there. It's just a riff. That's kind of what's at the heart of T3's problems - it plays as a riff on the idea of a Terminator movie. It's missing those little notes that made the original so wildly new feeling and grounded the second one so well.
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Aug 2, 2013 17:59
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T2 was so great at playing with expectations too since the villain from the first movie becomes the hero, which also helps further the idea that he's an android. T3 didn't really have anything clever going on.
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echronorian posted:T2 was so great at playing with expectations too since the villain from the first movie becomes the hero, which also helps further the idea that he's an android. T3 didn't really have anything clever going on. It was so rad watching T2 in the cinema recently with a bunch of people who had never seen it before, and didn't know that Arnie was the good guy this time around. It's hard to put yourself in that frame of mind, but it's honestly a great reveal when T-101 whips out the shotgun from the bouquet of roses and starts going to town on the T-1000. Man, what a loving movie.
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Aug 3, 2013 00:56
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Did the marketing hide that aspect well enough that it was an effective surprise? I was 6 when T2 came out so I always knew it as "the one where Arnie's the good guy". It's the kind of thing that's passed out of pop culture references though, so I'm looking forward to completely blindsiding my kids with this or (in an attempt to get this back on track) "I am your father".
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Aug 3, 2013 08:07
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It wasn't hidden at all if you had an iota of intelligence, they just didn't outright state it.
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Party Boat posted:Did the marketing hide that aspect well enough that it was an effective surprise? I was 6 when T2 came out so I always knew it as "the one where Arnie's the good guy". It's the kind of thing that's passed out of pop culture references though, so I'm looking forward to completely blindsiding my kids with this or (in an attempt to get this back on track) "I am your father". My girlfriend has never seen Star Wars and I don't think she even knows "I am your father", although it's hard to be sure without asking a question that would give it away. I'm looking forward to seeing her reaction at that part. The problem is though, if someone's in their twenties and hasn't seen Star Wars, it's because they have no goddamn interest at all in anything remotely close to what Star Wars is. I think I've finally convinced her to watch the trilogy, but looking over the special edition changes has me nervous now. Good thing Jedi Rocks isn't until the third movie because that's a dealbreaker right there.
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Aug 4, 2013 07:33
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effectual posted:It wasn't hidden at all if you had an iota of intelligence, they just didn't outright state it. Surrounding marketing outright stated it. Lots of news shows outright stated Arnold was the good guy. To advertise the movie (correctly), you first had to not show the T-1000 morph (which the later previews did) to not reveal it was a Terminator, and then never show Arnold with John/Sarah. Disappointing, actually, that this wasn't done since it's a second act reveal in the movie that would have been awesome.
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Aug 4, 2013 15:09
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Very few movies can pull off a twist like that with any degree of success thanks to the media and/or supplemental material. Phantom Menace was spoiled by its own soundtrack track list. "Qui-Gon's Noble End", well, I guess Liam Neeson won't be back for II and III. The only 2nd/3rd act twist that I've seen successfully executed in recent memory was actually Iron Man 3 The Mandarin was hyped up as a huge threat in all the trailers, Killian showed up for maybe 2 seconds total, then they subvert entirely in the film. They even put out Lego sets depicting a "final battle" between Mandarin and Tony that had people all worried.
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Aug 4, 2013 16:45
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Worried about what? Not getting trolled?
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The Duck of Death posted:Worried about what? Not getting trolled? Worried that the climax of Iron Man 3 would involve the Mandarin tootling around in a super car with a big cannon on the back as the Lego set depicted. (For a bit of context, the lego sets for Avengers sorta kinda gave away some stuff that wasn't in the trailers.)
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Aug 4, 2013 23:45
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The actual ending of Iron Man 3 actually fits the rest of the movie thematically, unlike this:
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Aug 4, 2013 23:56
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God I hope that's a deleted scene on the blu-ray.
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effectual posted:It wasn't hidden at all if you had an iota of intelligence, they just didn't outright state it. Donovan Trip fucked around with this message at 00:51 on Aug 5, 2013 |
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Aug 5, 2013 00:46
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I believe a part of T2's production involved Arnold saying he wanted to be a family-friendly character. I can just imagine the derision such an idea would get on the internet today - but James Cameron really pulled it off.
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Aug 5, 2013 02:36
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McDowell posted:I believe a part of T2's production involved Arnold saying he wanted to be a family-friendly character. I can just imagine the derision such an idea would get on the internet today - but James Cameron really pulled it off. Yeah, internet denizens these days seem to get pretty mad when media companies decide to market their content to demographics that don't include then. That said, Arnold's character was a lot more interesting in T2 than he was in T1.
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dhamster posted:Yeah, internet denizens these days seem to get pretty mad when media companies decide to market their content to demographics that don't include then. That said, Arnold's character was a lot more interesting in T2 than he was in T1. Imagine if Star Wars came out today. You got a villain who needs to wear a respirator at all times, and HAS SWITCHES AND BUTTONS on his chest. A big naked furry monster who communicates in growls, whines, and barks, yet people can understand him. And what's up with that prissy gold robot? Why is he British? And why do he and his beeping buddy have emotions? They're robots! Robot are unemotional!
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Aug 5, 2013 11:46
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I get SO loving MAD when I think about Michael Bay using the sacred Transformers origin story to sell TOYS. And not even sweet collectible figurines with 50 points of articulation.
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"Why the gently caress are they marketing Artemis Fowl (a movie based on a book about a twelve year old I read as a twelve year old) to twelve year olds?"
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The Cameo posted:Those jokes are grounded in character. "Chill out dickwad" is literally from a bonding scene between him and John, as part of a larger conversation between them, with the scene shifting shortly thereafter to exposition about Miles Dyson. "Talk to the hand" is entirely in keeping as a learned response by the terminator and would probably have worked really well in any other context. It's just that the entire gay strip club sequence was a wacky gag.
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My favorite thing about the massive build up to the T2 premiere was all the protests about how violent the film was going to be (not that anyone had seen it yet), backed with the clip of Arnie raising his hand and saying "I swear I won't kill anyone".
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Aug 7, 2013 02:35
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So, will J.J. cast Greg Grunberg, Victor Garber, and Rachel Nichols for his film?
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Davros1 posted:So, will J.J. cast Greg Grunberg, Victor Garber, and Rachel Nichols for his film? I'm suddenly immagining Grunberg making his Heroes mind reading/changing face to Jedi Mind Trick people and it's amusing me.
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dhamster posted:Yeah, internet denizens these days seem to get pretty mad when media companies decide to market their content to demographics that don't include then. That said, Arnold's character was a lot more interesting in T2 than he was in T1. I know this is a Star Wars thread, but I can't let this pass. Arnold's character in T1 is perfect. He's a robotic killing machine, and it's the role he was made for. One of the best villains ever to appear on screen. T2 is almost an entire remake of T1, but now massively influenced by Arnold's then mega-stardom. Thus, he's the good guy and doesn't kill anyone, which I found weak. T2 is a great movie, but it's not nearly as good as T1.
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There was an ad on TV for the really stupid looking Agents of SHEILD show and it showed all of the different Marvel properties that have now out that all have movies, even sequels and are completely fleshed out. That will be Star Wars in a decade and.. I don't know how to feel about that. Star Wars - Rogue Squadron, Star Wars - Bounty Hunters, Star Wars - Jedi Academy, Star Wars - Mandalorian Tales, Star Wars - Sith Happens, Star Wars - Rouge Squadron, Star Wars - Outer Rim Territories etc etc. I guess by lucky dip one of these things will feel a bit "Star Wars" and be enjoyable.
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Wank posted:There was an ad on TV for the really stupid looking Agents of SHEILD show and it showed all of the different Marvel properties that have now out that all have movies, even sequels and are completely fleshed out. That will be Star Wars in a decade and.. I don't know how to feel about that. We don't have blockbusters any more, we don't even have movies. We have franchises. That said, I'm honestly looking forward to Agents of SHIELD.
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Aug 16, 2013 03:00
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'Gotta crank the spectacle up to 11' - Multinational Media Conglomerate Disney
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Wank posted:There was an ad on TV for the really stupid looking Agents of SHEILD show and it showed all of the different Marvel properties that have now out that all have movies, even sequels and are completely fleshed out. That will be Star Wars in a decade and.. I don't know how to feel about that. Star Wars - Rogue Squadron, Star Wars - Bounty Hunters, Star Wars - Jedi Academy, Star Wars - Mandalorian Tales, Star Wars - Sith Happens, Star Wars - Rouge Squadron, Star Wars - Outer Rim Territories etc etc. I approve of this idea.
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redshirt posted:I know this is a Star Wars thread, but I can't let this pass. Arnold's character in T1 is perfect. He's a robotic killing machine, and it's the role he was made for. One of the best villains ever to appear on screen. I will contribute to the temporary derail by agreeing that "Hero Terminator" is what made T2 and every succeeding film less than the original.
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The terminator's characterization in one was hella inconsistent. One second he's a low functioning autist while dealing with some street punks the next he is doing a perfect impersonation of Sarah's mom.
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Well, we know that the terminator's brain is a neural net processor -- a leahning computah. So maybe it comes out of the time portal knowing only whatever basic rudiments of human behavior SKYNET understands, then rapidly updates its mannerisms and abilities to suit its environment after it's interacted with a number of humans.
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It didn't need to deal with the punks in any empathatic way.
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Sith Happens posted:I approve of this idea. I was kind of thinking a 80s style sitcom where a bumbling Admiral Piett needs to keep things on the Executor running smoothly as Darth Vader's ideas and commands get more and more crazy and laborious. Hijinks ensue as Piett tries to avoid being chocked to death by Vader as his (dis)loyal subordinates keep the pressure on. Each episode ends with Vader and Piett in some compromising position borne out of Piett's actions and a close up on his exasperated face as he says "Sith Happens" *laugh track* EDIT - Ha! I completely missed your username. 
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Stairmaster posted:The terminator's characterization in one was hella inconsistent. One second he's a low functioning autist while dealing with some street punks the next he is doing a perfect impersonation of Sarah's mom. I always liked how after Sarah shoots the liquid terminator it impales her before making a "I don't think so no no" hand gesture, for a killing machine that sure was sadist.
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Wank posted:I was kind of thinking a 80s style sitcom where a bumbling Admiral Piett needs to keep things on the Executor running smoothly as Darth Vader's ideas and commands get more and more crazy and laborious. Hijinks ensue as Piett tries to avoid being chocked to death by Vader as his (dis)loyal subordinates keep the pressure on. Each episode ends with Vader and Piett in some compromising position borne out of Piett's actions and a close up on his exasperated face as he says "Sith Happens" *laugh track* poo poo , i'd watch atleast a season of that! Sounds like the kind of dumb poo poo i sometimes like.
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SirDrone posted:I always liked how after Sarah shoots the liquid terminator it impales her before making a "I don't think so no no" hand gesture, for a killing machine that sure was sadist. He was pretending to be a cop for most of the movie - he just was staying in character.
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SirDrone posted:I always liked how after Sarah shoots the liquid terminator it impales her before making a "I don't think so no no" hand gesture, for a killing machine that sure was sadist. He started malfuctioning at that point - freezing, exploding, and coming back together messed him up. It's the only reason they "won" - he started behaving like a "person" as opposed to perfectly rationally, which made it start making mistakes. It's evident in the actual movie but far more obvious in the extended edition.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWaAZCaQXdo "He arrived knowing nothing of himself. Who is he? Soon you will know. Because of what was begins with the water shall end there and what ends there will once more begin. This is what happens when men become lost, men vanish, men are erased and reborn." Sounds like Max von Sydow? Not saying it has anything to do with Star Wars but I wouldn't be surprised.
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