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If I might offer a subjection and a plea for sanity, at this time we must not do anything too rash that would force us into armed conflict. The only way we could win such a conflict is if we somehow got a fleet into one of the jump points before the FEANs did. Instead we must hope for the best, and plan for the worst. If it comes to it, we must simply let FEAN jump first, we must not jeopardize everything for pride. We do still have one huge advantage when it comes to jump tech, we can build jump engines while FEAN is most likely a year out from being able to do so. They have to use the Belnar jump engine, while we can not say 100% that they are using the Belnar engines, if we are even 99.1% sure then it will suit are needs. In the worst case, Fred jumps first, makes a huge statement that they are advancing human kind. In this case the UN stays quiet, without making any statements till are own jump ship is out in the field.(I believe someone already said our own jump ship would be done before they could get to jump point, but I am just viewing this from the worst case.) At the point our own jump ship is ready to make its first jump, we then make a statement. First chastising FEAN for using such dangerous methods of using Belnar tech to achieve such a feat. We then point out the recent Belnar attacks on Mars, basically saying that using such unknown technology, as being a threat to the human race. At which point, we then go into are own jump ship being the first true all human ship to go outside of our own solar system. This would at lest give FEAN a black eye, while not a massive blow to them in the short run, it would give us alot of political clout down the line. It would at lest prevent FEAN from using a "first discovery" argument in further dealings we might have with them. (although at this point I can't wait to find out that the ship is, in fact just a normal suvyer ship and the only reason FEAN has such a larger escort is because of the freighter attack.) CasinoV fucked around with this message at 13:43 on Aug 21, 2013 |
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Under no circumstances can FEAN be allowed to make a public announcement before us. They have the military advantage, we must not give them the PR advantage as well! We should immediately announce that we will be making a jump in the upcoming days, and we should invite representatives of our member states, the scientific community, FEAN, Cornucopia and unaligned nations before the Federation gets the chance to invite them first. The one to announce this to the world is the one who will get most of the attention! I know we wanted to make the first jump in silence, but there is no point in that now that the Federation will know about JP1 in a few days at the latest.
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markus_cz posted:Under no circumstances can FEAN be allowed to make a public announcement before us. They have the military advantage, we must not give them the PR advantage as well! We should immediately announce that we will be making a jump in the upcoming days, and we should invite representatives of our member states, the scientific community, FEAN, Cornucopia and unaligned nations before the Federation gets the chance to invite them first. The one to announce this to the world is the one who will get most of the attention! Bullshit they will. Stop panicking. You guys are making assumptions and are then building off them until you are all in a tizz.
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Akratic Method posted:Yeah. What I meant, though, was: is there any in-game mechanic that would have led them to pick that precise survey location to start with? Or can we safely guess that they started there because they had inside info? When pilots are assigned to survey points in a solar system, they start by choosing the closest point in space to where they are, and working from there. At this point in Earth's year, that means #4 or #5. This was a target. Either Fed's really good at guessing, or they've gotten access to some of our fleet records. At this point I doubt that they have records of our entire gravitational survey, but most likely they have knowledge of the survey points that bore fruit. Look at the solar system as a hallway with 30 doors. Fed doesn't know how to unlock the doors, but it does know behind which door(s) the treasure is. CasinoV posted:At the point our own jump ship is ready to make its first jump, we then make a statement. First chastising FEAN for using such dangerous methods of using Belnar tech to achieve such a feat. We then point out the recent Belnar attacks on Mars, basically saying that using such unknown technology, as being a threat to the human race. At which point, we then go into are own jump ship being the first true all human ship to go outside of our own solar system. This is a brilliant idea. Not only that, but publicize the link that JP1 was the one referenced by the pictorgrams on the articles recovered from the Belnar ruins, with the unsaid implication that Fed wants to either 1) reunite with their Belnar masters (ooh, conspiracy!) or 2) invite the destruction of the human race. Do we have a jump engine pre-fabricated so that when we go live with the jump announcement, we can have a press event with one in view? sloshmonger fucked around with this message at 14:15 on Aug 21, 2013 |
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markus_cz posted:Under no circumstances can FEAN be allowed to make a public announcement before us. They have the military advantage, we must not give them the PR advantage as well! We should immediately announce that we will be making a jump in the upcoming days, and we should invite representatives of our member states, the scientific community, FEAN, Cornucopia and unaligned nations before the Federation gets the chance to invite them first. The one to announce this to the world is the one who will get most of the attention! I think this places too much value on a pretty vague "PR advantage", which is a mistake the UN has consistently made throughout the thread. It really isn't a big deal if they jump before us when we can push a lot more equipment through the jump points in the medium term due to our tech advantage. We've worried a ton about PR "wins" and "losses" at nearly every major juncture in the game, and it has not benefitted us at all. The Mars Crisis is a particular example of a time when being "the bad guy" didn't hurt the Feds at all. Furthermore, the Feds explored Mars and much of the solar system a bit before us, and any propaganda gains they may have gotten from that were minimal in the long run.
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We don't know for sure that JP1 has alien ruins behind it. Space is a big place and has room for everyone. I suggest that we put all our efforts into exploring and securing JPs 3 & 2 .Continue as planned to JP1 and if the Feds win it, so be it. Sad King Billy fucked around with this message at 15:18 on Aug 21, 2013 |
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Sad King Billy posted:Space is a big place and has room for everyone. This is precisely the wrong attitude. Aside from a few outposts, all of humanity and all of our military/industrial/research infrastructure is located in precisely one place: Earth. And it will remain that way for the forseeable future. This makes even marginally habitable real estate a single jump away from Earth an incalculably valuable resource. If the Federation surveys and colonizes those jump points before we do, they'll have an insurmountable advantage over us. Frankly, if that happens all of us might as well start learning Russian.
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Emperor of Tennis posted:I think this places too much value on a pretty vague "PR advantage", which is a mistake the UN has consistently made throughout the thread. It really isn't a big deal if they jump before us when we can push a lot more equipment through the jump points in the medium term due to our tech advantage. Well in my thinking, the PR "win" is intended to prevent them from shooting us, because we'll have valuable civilians onboard.
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I'd be inclined to invite the worlds press along if the race is likely to be as close as a couple of days. Having the entire event open for the greater glory of mankind places the onus not to shoot directly on Fred. If we can get a first then all the better.
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Coming from having just read the whole thread, I think by far the UN's biggest mistake has been obsessing over the Federation instead of just playing the game. Virtually everything the Federation has done would have been handled better by simply ignoring it rather than the extreme overreactions to both the Saturn and Mars incidents. Jump through the jump point as planned. If the Federation shows up well, they were going to sooner or later. Do you really think you can claim a jump point as UN property? If I were running this thing I would probably announce the jump after the ship returns and then negotiate terms of joint access and exploitation with the Feds. Trying to hold onto it is literally trying to shut them out of a doorway to the universe. We don't want to push the Feds to the point where they feel like they have no choice but to use violence, especially for a speculative and ill-defined benefit to ourselves. That was what happened in the Mars debacle. All you hawks out there, would you rather maintain an eternal blockade to keep the Feds out of "our" jump point and then get locked out of any they find, or would you rather have guaranteed access to every jump point in the Solar system?
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Arglebargle III posted:All you hawks out there, would you rather maintain an eternal blockade to keep the Feds out of "our" jump point and then get locked out of any they find, or would you rather have guaranteed access to every jump point in the Solar system? Depends on what's behind them. If we do the diplomacy thing and secure ourselves a jump point just for us, what do we do when all that is behind it is an endless line of planetless systems? Or god forbid, spoilers sitting on the other side. I think we should take Jimmy and Saros' plans. Get to the diplomacy table before we end up crippling ourselves in a fight we can't win. Let's see what they have to say about interstellar affairs, and let's try and not be condescending pricks about our homemade Jump Engines. Who knows, maybe the Feds actually did make their own. Beginning diplomatic talks with baseless accusations seems like a pretty dumb idea.
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Added Space posted:bgreman, can you clarify how surveys work? I was under the impression that getting JPs revealed was just a cumulative chance based on how many points you've surveyed. Are JP in fact tied to individual survey points? I've put in a query with Steve about this. I was also under the impression that it was the former (surveying grav survey locations grants you grav survey points; when you go over some threshold value, a new point is revealed to you, so the order of surveying the survey sites doesn't matter), and I would advise people to assume that rather than that the Federation is heading for survey site #6 because they somehow know that one reveals a jump point.
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bgreman posted:I've put in a query with Steve about this. I was also under the impression that it was the former (surveying grav survey locations grants you grav survey points; when you go over some threshold value, a new point is revealed to you, so the order of surveying the survey sites doesn't matter), and I would advise people to assume that rather than that the Federation is heading for survey site #6 because they somehow know that one reveals a jump point. It's ok, you can come clean about being a Fed spy. I've always thought it was the latter, though now that I think about it that theory is counter to how other mechanics (espionage, geo teams, etc) work and the former would account for a grav survey outcome we haven't covered yet.
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Arglebargle III posted:Coming from having just read the whole thread, I think by far the UN's biggest mistake has been obsessing over the Federation instead of just playing the game. Virtually everything the Federation has done would have been handled better by simply ignoring it rather than the extreme overreactions to both the Saturn and Mars incidents. Thank you! Someone else gets it!
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berryjon posted:Thank you! Someone else gets it! It is absurd to suggest we should have 'ignored' the Mars crisis, since it was a place of serious strategic significance and the BFM was a total humanitarian clusterfuck. But that said, it's also absurd to suggest we should take hasty action on a situation we have very little data on, so the point is just as valid. The most likely scenario that I can contemplate is that the Federation has researched the needed sensor arrays, and is using the recovered Belnar drives to skip a step in the process. Which is cool from our strategic perspective; they can't skate on scavenged parts for long, and they're still far behind us in the goal of applied interstellar travel, presuming my scenario is correct. The only real threat would be to our moment of PR glory, which we will likely have anyway since our drives are 100% Terran.
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 "Grhmphl?" "Sorry to wake you, sir, but you fell asleep on your desk again and things are... happening. Sir, you really shouldn't be staying up so late studying." "Mghlp. Can't help it, Harroway. Too much exciting TNE math going around these days. So what's up?" "Check your UIA." "...Hoo dang. So they're finally making a move? I wondered how long it'd take after they found those Belnar devices. Shame that wasn't us. Slaan was apoplectic. All that work, inventing the wheel... and then the Feds might just have found a bigger, better wheel that's been sitting on Mars for millions of years. Not a fun day for the UN scientific community." "Not to mention the fleet's destination." "What? Oh. Seriously? The Feds' luck is getting ridiculous... but fair enough, it's the inner circle of theoretical points and pretty close to Saturn. Could be we didn't get snitched on. They might even miss the point on their first pass." "Somebody may still have talked. I've gotten another message from Checkerboard: unfortunately he cannot confirm or deny the veracity of the statements, but he says the Cornucopian payment for the CDF Simón Bolívar, and FEAN indifference to their military shipyard, may have come at a specific price: specifically the price of what we've been doing Jump-Point wise. It is possible. While Tilde was already out of her office by the time we located our first jump point right after the Mars conflict, she might have known of the technology and that El Dorado and Klondike were out there searching. If she knew about the program, she'll certainly have reason to believe we'd be done searching by now and could've taken steps from there. Know of anybody who's inside the UNSA that has been investing a lot in Cornucopia lately?" "..." "gently caress! I'll have a ring around and check with my Brazilian counterparts; if Cornucopia's been peeling off talent that's in the know under the guise of recruitment... ugh. Forward Checkerboard's message to UNIN intelligence. Maybe they'll start taking these bloody leaks seriously. It's really obvious the likes of Beef and Tilde are still courting somebody with clearance, and whoever they are they should be out on their asses yesterday."Arglebargle III posted:Coming from having just read the whole thread, I think by far the UN's biggest mistake has been obsessing over the Federation instead of just playing the game. Virtually everything the Federation has done would have been handled better by simply ignoring it rather than the extreme overreactions to both the Saturn and Mars incidents. Hear hear. There are a lot of assumptions out and about and I, for one, think that spilling the beans on where we're at in the space race right now is a poor idea. Or, if we're entering diplomatic mode, don't spill the beans over a simple overture; if the Federation starts declaring their readyness to take on and explore the galaxy on their lonesome, THEN it's time to drop the newsflash that they're not alone. Meanwhile, keep trucking on that Monitor design! Military parity (or superiority) is good for both being able to defy Fed bullying (which could consist of claiming a choice jump point for their own sole usage, like we fondly imaged we could do) and for facing off against whatever threats might be out there in the universe. Honestly, we should try to keep ourselves updated on what the Federation is up to, but otherwise just let them 'beat' us, if that's really what they're doing. The PR advantage is already a loss if the Feds are intent on exploring and tagging Jump Points; whatever advantage we could have gained was something we should have had time to capitalize on, at least a few months or however long it took for the Feds to get up to date. Now neither they or we have enough 'we are the leading faction' time for us to sway independent nations and our respective members into considering who they really ought to be supporting: we both (as will become apparent) have the proper tech for extra-solar exploration (if not yet exploitation). Right now all that'll happen once the dust settles is that we'll negotiate on (favorable or not-so-favorable terms) over how extra-solar exploration and planet-claiming will work out between the two of us: we'll have better grounds to argue on if we know more about their total capabilities than they do of ours. Oh, and final staff member choice for Dr. Brendan Mo is the mysterious Checkerboard. His information is usually unprovable and controversial, but hey, what's the fun in having definite proof of anything? 
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markus_cz posted:Can we get a definite word by UNEC what our current official plan is? Anything is better than inaction. I believe it was "unconditional surrender to the FDC".
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TildeATH posted:I believe it was "unconditional surrender to the FDC". The Free World will never surrender to
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Currently as far as I am aware its dash for JP1 and hold any announcements till after the turing jumps back. Right now we are inviting aligned reps along to watch. Berryjon basically has the wheel at this point.
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*Edited* Before I forget, considering we probably need this in the short run for a bit. BG Please take 25% from research lab construction as well as 10% from Ground Force Training Facilities and start a crash build of DSTS. 4 of them please. Then pleae return the production back to the places where it was drawn from Jimmy4400nav fucked around with this message at 21:20 on Aug 21, 2013 |
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Zeroisanumber posted:The Free World will never surrender to The technical name for the system of government practiced on 2 Pallas is Liberal Commercialism, and the main political parties are the Liberal Utopian Commercialist Party (43%), Green Capitalism Party (30%), Free Gold Party (24%), and Orthodox Oligarch Party (2%). LUC and FGP form the current ruling coalition.
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From: Brendan "Scribbleykins" Mo, Canadian Advanced Research Programs Institute Professor of Applied Military Comms & TNE Sensors Technology Studies, Deputy of the UNSA To: UNEC Subject: Something to consider. I know there is a great deal of pride to be taken in that we discovered JP theory and designed our engines and adaptations independently of the discovery of Belnar JP engines, but the Federation does not have any less of an advantage because our engines are homegrown. Proclaiming before the press that our advancements are in any way better because they're human-made is a foolish move; the opposite is likely true considering the Belnar were a well-established spacefaring species. The UN has made a grand achievement which we should be proud of, but make no mistake, the Federation did not 'cheat' us to the prize. They were merely handed a huge boon that has likely enabled them to catch up in the extrasolar space race, and trying to deny that will do us no favors in the public sphere when events prove us otherwise; a big win for them, and a loss for us, all in all. Heck, it's not as if we'd not have gleefully jumped on the opportunity to scavenge superior alien tech ourselves. That being the case, and rather than give the Federation a free PR boost in the form of them having caught up to years of dedicated UN study in the space of months, I suggest we let the matter lie fallow and let the achievements of the UNSA scientific community rest on their own laurels and brought up only when relevant, rather than as any sort of pissing contest, as some seem to be vying for it to become. TildeATH posted:The technical name for the system of government practiced on 2 Pallas is Liberal Commercialism, and the main political parties are the Liberal Utopian Commercialist Party (42%), Green Capitalism Party (30%), Free Gold Party (24%), and Orthodox Oligarch Party (2%). LUC and FGP form the current ruling coalition. You forgot the 1% Party (2%), which are the puppeteer masters of the ruling coalition.
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Nooo not my precious labs! That being said perhaps even more DSTS are needed? We currently have 13 of them so four more is an increase of a little under a third. Thermal detection distance = sensitivity * signature strength * 1000km. The DSTS each give 250 sensitivity. As an example Jump point one varies from about 600-800 million Km from earth depending on where earth is in its orbit. To detect a Skory at cruise speed at 800 Million Km (192 Thermal sig) we need a sensitivity of 4167 which equates to 16.7 DSTS with current technology. A Moskva at cruise speed generates 45 thermal emissions so can be detected at about a quarter of the distance of a Skory. I would recommend building 7 more DSTS to give us 20 total on earth. A sensitivity of 5000 lets us Detect a Skory at cruise speed up to 960 million Km from earth. For comparison the (Irl, I am not 100% about the game values but they are similar) Orbit of Jupiter is 778 million Km and Saturn is 1.43 billion Km.
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Iapetus: UN Liaison Office, 3rd December 2034 Iapetusian Administrator Volmarias, who serves as the UN liaison to the BP Saturn mining operation on Iapetus, drafts a new tax code for his jurisdiction, theoretically improving tax yields. Unfortunately, the mining contracts established by BP makes the workers living on Iapetus exempt from UN income taxation. Elsewhere, in reaction to the Federation's recent ship movements, UNEC councilors order several production changes. UNSA has Dr. Slaan temporarily shelf his work on PROJECT SPRINTER, instead moving into acceptance testing for a prototype small, high-powered, reduced-emissions nuclear pulse engine for the UN's planned SWACs vessel. He estimates completion of the testing within three weeks. When informed that no current or planned ships in the UNIN fleet have passive detection capabilities, UNIEB orders a crash production program to expand Earth's DSTS network by over 30%. Mars: Belnar Ruin Zone, 5th December 2034  Another Belnar installations goes up in smoke during a recovery attempt by elements of the 85th Engineer Brigade. On Earth, the UN makes some small waves by publicly announcing the dismantling of the remainder of their legacy ICBM stockpiles. Other than a terse note that their own missiles have been dismantled for some time, there is no major Federation response. Earth: UNIN Orbital Naval Base, 7th December 2034  1st Cruiser Squadron settles into orbit near the prime UNIN basing facility in Earth orbit. Berlin and Warsaw take on their typical wartime missile loadouts and top up their fuel tanks, and then the formation idles to prepare for the upcoming jump operation. Jump Point #2: Deep Space, near the orbit of Uranus, 9th December 2034  The Surigao-class DE UNS Benguet arrives at its assigned picket location 240,000 km from the middle jump point. She will be joined in about three and a half days by UNS Klondike. Both ships will then await the arrival of a jump tender before beginning survey operations beyond the jump point. Mars: Belnar Ruin Zone, 10th December 2034  Squads from the 83rd Engineer Brigade on Mars manage to successfully reactivate an ancient Belnar automated mine facility. As with all recovered Belnar installations over the past several months, this one is cataloged, disclosed to the Federation, and then packaged for transportation back to Earth. Elsewhere, UNS Visayas completes her refit to the Samar IIb specification. She will remain at Earth until the rest of her overhaul completes. Finally, the last set of fleet movements in preparation for the jump operation is set in motion. UNS Klondike is dispatched from Callisto to rendezvous with UNS Kagayan near the innermost jump point, while 2nd Cruiser Squadron is recalled from task force training exercises to re-arm and refuel, after which it will provide an escort for the UNS Alan Turing on its historic first mission. Earth: Camp Romney Training Facility, 11th December 2034  COL McFetusBurger, CO of the 80th Mobile Infantry Division on Earth, is promoted to brigadier general in order to adjust the officer ratio to a more sustainable value. It is possible that this promotion may prompt the creation of a second lieutenant-generalship alongside LGEN berryjon. The current frontrunner for this position is BGEN Valérie Auclair, senior officer of the Martian engineering brigades that repelled two Belnar automaton incursions. Elsewhere, 2nd Cruiser Squadron arrives at Earth and enters orbit near 1st Cruiser Squadron. The formation takes on a load of fuel and new missiles. Jump Point #2: Deep Space, near the orbit of Uranus, 12th December 2034  UNS El Dorado arrives at the jump point #2 picket site and enters formation with UNS Benguet. Earth: Low Earth Orbit, 14th December 2034  At the BC Void Shipbuilding shipyard complex, the UN's first jump-capable ship comes off the slipway. UNS Alan Turing is a sleek vessel -- for the most part. Her smooth lines are interrupted amidships by the prominent bulge of the Jump Dynamics JD2250-350 Trans-Newtonian Rift Stabilization Device that will enable her to make the great leap to another stellar system. The debate about who will captain the first vessel to reach another star has gone on for some time at UNIN BuPers. Most analysts assumed that Captain Randall Veazey, famed explorer and ex-movie star would be in the command chair during the first jump. However, BuPers surprises everyone by announcing that rising star CAPT CthulhuDreams will have the honor. CthulhuDreams's crew training abilities have skyrocketed over the last year, thrusting him into the enviable position of being one of the first humans to lay eyes on another star up close. As preparations continue for the departure of the TG that will escort Alan Turing to jump point #1, there is little outward sign of the momentous happenings. UNIN OPSEC has kept a very tight lid on this operation, and information on its execution is well controlled. Civilian Construction
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Berryjon is currently in charge of the UNIN so it's up to him to give the orders. Berry may I suggest we concentrate our survey vessels (including the Panner and three El Dorado currently idling at Callisto as well as those dispatched to the other jump points) at Jump point 1 and send 1st and 2nd cruiser squadrons to escort the Turing to Jump point 1. Ideally they will depart off a direct route to JP1 and only redirect much later to avoid FEAN tracking us to the jump point. Admittedly they may have enough DSTS to watch us anyway if we send the Berlin's but there isn't much we can do about that. For the BC Void Shipyard I recommend building another Turing class not a Turing heavy, the latter takes significantly more time to construct and is slower. The Oceania Shipyard should be ordered to begin tooling for the Basic SWAC craft (1250T version outlined in my post upthread) as soon as the engine research is complete (only 6 days away). I also recommend adjusting the loadout of the Berlin IIS class, It currently carries 120 Mosquito B missiles. UNSA recommends swapping 40-60 of them for Hornet-C missiles to allow the Berlin more long range strike capabilities. Finally we have assembled a bunch of aligned representatives to watch it.. Do we include Corny/FEAN/Media reps or not? --------------------- The following forces available at Earth for dispatching. Spread between Cruron 1 and 2 and the shipyard task group. -Berlin IIS x1 -Berlin IIM x2 -Samar II x5 -Samar IIB x1 -Cape Town x4 -Surigao x1 -JSC Turing A further Berlin IIM is complete in 19 days and two Capetown are complete in 10 and 21 days respectively. BG can the next update include a map showing the solar system out to the edge of the Survey points. I want to have a look at the current planetary positions. Saros fucked around with this message at 01:57 on Aug 22, 2013 |
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I'm happy to host a diplomatic mission on the UNS Seed; I was planning to depart for the mission zone ETA 6 hours after the initial jump. I'd also like to tap CMDR Cornelio to my team since he's currently unassigned; or any officier of note who is a skilled diplomat.
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Now is not the time for subtlety. I recommend we book it to JP 1 and jump through with whatever ships are there when the Turing arrives. We don't want to jump only to hear the Fed commander broadcast. "Sup?" in local.
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From: Lt. Commander Davis, Acting Captain, UNS Panner To: UNIN Command, Survey Assets Division Sir, this is Lt. Commander Davis. I'm currently acting captain of the UNS Panner. Commander Triggerhappypilot is currently on Earth undergoing a follow-up psychological examination in regards to the incident last year. I'm confident that he'll be cleared, but if we're to play a part the project, we need to make preparations to leave Wodan immediately. We've re-installed the command slave software after its removal during the incident, and we've been practicing maneuvers. However, the speed of the Panner is limited, we're the oldest ship in the fleet, and it's unlikely that we'll arrive to take part in the first actions. Ordinarily, I wouldn't bug Command for new orders, but the crew have been restless as of late. Even with the increased crew rotation back to Earth, I think Wodan's beginning to sink into their subconscious. The commander should be back in a week or so, so he'll be in charge of whatever orders you give. Hear he's also bringing my replacement as chief engineer.
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rizzen posted:Depends on what's behind them. If we do the diplomacy thing and secure ourselves a jump point just for us, what do we do when all that is behind it is an endless line of planetless systems? Or god forbid, spoilers sitting on the other side. I think you got my point backwards, I was saying that negotiated free access to all jump points (hopefully all jump points now and in the future) was far superior to any attempt to claim and then try to enforce sovereignty over a handful. Coolguye posted:It is absurd to suggest we should have 'ignored' the Mars crisis, since it was a place of serious strategic significance and the BFM was a total humanitarian clusterfuck. I didn't mean inaction was the best policy in the event, but it would have turned out better than what actually happened. That's a sad state of affairs, is the point. berryjon posted:Thank you! Someone else gets it! Thanks. If you like this idea, is there any way a policymaker could delegate authority to me to make diplomatic communications? I know there's only five policymakers but there's nothing in the rules, that I'm aware, that prevents policymakers from investing other people with the power to act on their behalf. I think we should do the jump and then try to negotiate a lasting joint access agreement that guarantees jump points as international territory and establishes free navigation as a basic right upheld by both the UN and FEAN. The cost of defending our own neck of the woods and the cost of getting locked out of lucrative opportunities vastly outweighs the benefit of sole ownership in my opinion. Anyway, if the universe isn't big enough for both of us we might as well just launch a war on Earth because this conflict will revealed as deeply irrational.
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Saros posted:Nooo not my precious labs! That being said perhaps even more DSTS are needed? We currently have 13 of them so four more is an increase of a little under a third. Those numbers check out, and with the DSTS research from Corny coming next year we may be able to peek out to Saturn. Labs are important, but the sensor grid has slipped too far. Thankfully, a DSTS costs only 300 as opposed to the 2400 for a lab. With our considerable industrial base it will be only a short diversion.
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Arglebargle III posted:I didn't mean inaction was the best policy in the event, but it would have turned out better than what actually happened. That's a sad state of affairs, is the point. To be fair, the thread would be really boring if the UN just ignored every plot hook bgreman put out there.
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Alchenar posted:To be fair, the thread would be really boring if the UN just ignored every plot hook bgreman put out there. Again, not saying inaction was the right thing to do, just that it would have been better than what actually happened.
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Meanwhile, aboard UNS Cibola  : Is he still in there? : Yeah, there's been no change since the last 15 hours.: Can't you, I don't know, talk him out of there?: Dammit, chief, I'm a surgeon, not a psychologist!: But he must come out soon, right? He's gotta be hungry after all this time.: A person can survive without food for at least a week. But still, one of the crew said the commander carried one of those spam crates into his quarters.: Still can't understand why he loves that stuff so much. At least is not those cheese-filled frankfurters anymore.: Don't remind me of those. You're not the one who had to treat the crewmen who got poisoned by them.: Anyway, I'll try something.*knock* *knock*  : Go away!: Commander, it's me, Chief Hollywood. Please come out, we need you to, uh... commandeer around!: What's the point? All this ship does is go round and round Callisto, going nowhere, just like my career!: I might have some good news commander. But I can't yell them to you. Please come out.: Okay, okay.: My God! What's that stench?: Wanted to eat away my sorrows with the spam. Didn't work out so well.: Commander, I heard rumors that we may be required to go to the Jump Point soon!: You're just saying that to get me to put on some pants, chief.: It's true commander, we must be ready to depart the moment the orders arrive.:  Goddamn! I knew they wouldn't let me rot here forever!: Commander, as the onboard surgeon, I strongly suggest you go hit the showers, immediately.: Yes, of course! Gotta be ready to be ready! Out of my way!: That should buy us some time.: What will happen when the orders don't arrive, chief?: He'll probably distract himself with whatever new crisis the U.N. faces at the moment. C'mon, let's get away from here, I'll tell the cleaning crew to use the biological containment procedure.
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