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Polo-Rican posted:The first Robocop suit is literally one of the most iconic costumes in film history. Clunky was good for that film because the character wasn't agile, he was like a tank. Additionally, the big clunky made the movie more tragic - The cripple is crammed into this horrible, clanking robo-suit and is essentially stripped of all of his humanity, which he very slowly and painfully regains throughout the film. Sticking a dude in a very sleek and thin black suit isn't quite the same when you consider that angle. To further speak on the original suit, it definitely invoked the sense of a Big American Car. It was like, he should have been fast and agile, but instead he's a Cadillac. I know that Peter Weller originally planned for a smoother, slinkier movement for Robocop, but I think what we got worked really well given the subtext of the film.
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Peter Weller also said that he hated that fuckin' suit and almost had several severe cases of heatstroke during the filming of the movie. Peter Weller is a champ.
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Sep 6, 2013 02:00
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Had a VHS copy of Robocop when I was little. Would watch and rewatch it constantly. Holy poo poo Murphy's death and hospital scene disturbed the gently caress out of me for the longest time. Can't help but dislike this remake.
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Sep 6, 2013 02:18
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Oh god. That RoboCop trailer. It seriously made me much more hopeful than I am comfortable with. The original is a cinema classic. They definitely aren't trying to recreate the original, and hopefully, it seemed like it anyways, trying to get the underlying message the original had. Michael Keaton came across more as Steve Jobs in that trailer than Kutcher did in a whole movie. He straight up went "iRoboCop".
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Sep 6, 2013 02:34
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Deadpool posted:I didn't see anything really wrong with the trailer at all. I doubt I'd see it in the theater, but that probably wasn't going to happen anyway. The suit itself looks good. Better than that clunky mess it used to be. It looks ok. I thought the trailer would be much worse. Hope they bring his badass car back. That's all I wanted as a kid.
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Tommy 2.0 posted:Oh god. That RoboCop trailer. Yeah, there's a few cute callbacks but it's pretty clear they went in a different direction, and I'm not so sure that's a bad thing. I love the original Robocop, I think it's an ageless piece of satire, but it looks like this is more specific to these times and I'm curious to see what -- if anything -- the movie has to say. Now, I understand that Jose Padhila's experience on this film was apparently nightmarish and he was getting his rear end kicked by studio executives, but at the very least, the Sam Jackson character had echoes of the scenes with the political commentator in Elite Squad: The Enemy Within. So okay, I'll hold out some hope that his voice got through.
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Rageaholic Monkey posted:If you thought that Gravity trailer was simply too good and you need a trailer to bring you back to reality, here, watch the first official trailer for the Robocop remake coming out next year! What if I like this trailer and think you are being whiny?
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TheBigBudgetSequel posted:What if I like this trailer and think you are being whiny? Yeah, but see, as much as I like this trailer, there are a LOT of people whom I respect that absolutely despise it. This includes Jeremy "Mr. Beaks" Smith, who is hands down the ONLY reason to visit AICN. It could be because he and his ilk can smell bullshit coming from farther away than I can, or his attachment to the original is too strong (which I certainly wouldn't fault him for, especially if Robocop played a huge role in his childhood). Since I apparently need other people to make up my mind for me, the situation really sucks. 
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Wasn't Darren Aronofsky originally going to direct this? Man, that would've been so sweet  TheBigBudgetSequel posted:What if I like this trailer and think you are being whiny? Even if it turns out alright, I still don't get the impression from that trailer that it's going to be a proper Robocop remake/reboot/reimagining/whatever the gently caress you want to call it. The Total Recall remake was alright...and nothing more. It definitely wasn't as good as the original, and it wasn't even the kind of movie that had a bunch of cool moments that I still think about and discuss with friends and such. This trailer gives me that same kind of vibe. And if you're gonna remake a classic movie full of heart and make it something that looks just alright, well why even do it at all? It's still a year out, though. Maybe the next trailer for it will look more interesting. Rageaholic fucked around with this message at 04:04 on Sep 6, 2013 |
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Sep 6, 2013 03:56
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DivisionPost posted:Yeah, but see, as much as I like this trailer, there are a LOT of people whom I respect that absolutely despise it. This includes Jeremy "Mr. Beaks" Smith, who is hands down the ONLY reason to visit AICN. It could be because he and his ilk can smell bullshit coming from farther away than I can, or his attachment to the original is too strong (which I certainly wouldn't fault him for, especially if Robocop played a huge role in his childhood). Mr. Beaks has been known to be wrong about things though. Him and Devin Faraci often latch onto opinions early and never drop them, regardless of the final product.
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I'm a fan of the Robocop series (even watched the lame tv series as a kid) and that trailer looks pretty loving bad. Robocop is the culmination of the 80s; executives doing cocaine on glass tables, technology being clunky, slow, buggy and industrial looking, the contrast of the bleak old detroit vs. the evil corporation, even the iconic blacked out ford taurus. The trailer looks more like a cheap Iron Man rip off than Robocop.
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Sep 6, 2013 04:27
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The pattern I'm seeing is "This trailer is bad because it isn't 80's Robocop."
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Sep 6, 2013 04:32
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The contemporary design aesthetics and political topicality are all but unavoidable. The bigger issue is the tone, but it's hard to read that accurately from a trailer.
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I think the trailer is fine but some of the CGI is spotty, like when he jumps over a big wall or something and three-point lands.
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Definitely get a "why bother" vibe from the Robocop trailer. Looks like a boring dime-a-dozen slick Hollywood action movie. Really surprised at all the positive responses. (I saw the original Robocop for the first time a few years ago as a man in my twenties and liked it a regular amount, so I have zero nerd-love or remake-rage or whatever for it.) Edit: scary ghost dog posted:I think the trailer is fine but some of the CGI is spotty, like when he jumps over a big wall or something and three-point lands. Lordy, we're still doing that? Human Tornada fucked around with this message at 04:44 on Sep 6, 2013 |
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Sep 6, 2013 04:42
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Bitches leave!!! Some of the best 40 seconds of thrash right here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ox_y3dBGFeI
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DivisionPost posted:The pattern I'm seeing is "This trailer is bad because it isn't 80's Robocop." Yeah, a franchise that was awesome in the 80s and is still awesome today can be transplanted into the modern day, but that doesn't mean it should, especially when a big reason it's so awesome is because it's so heavily tied to the time period in which it was released. From what that trailer showed, it explores some of the same concepts as the original (albeit in different ways for some of them). But....I mean, come on, it's PG-13 for gently caress's sake. If you take the 80s satire out of the movie, at least leave in the ultraviolence for it to fall back on. With it being rated PG-13, even that won't be there.
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The thing about the trailer for RoboCop 2014 is that there's no hint of satire towards the era we live in. The original film had its tongue firmly in cheek, while the trailer for this one just looks like a big budget schlocky action fest (with possibly some Michael Keaton being awesome thrown in for good measure). So while there's a slight hint of satire (Let's go with black!), but it's not enough for me. Not to mention that Murphy getting blowed up loses the Christ allegory of the original. If there had never been an original RoboCop film, then this would just be standard action fare. But, being a remake, it has a legacy to live up to.
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Human Tornada posted:
It's now called the "Iron Man" pose.
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Rageaholic Monkey posted:But like dundun said, a big reason the original worked so well is because it had so much of the 80s in it. Agreed wholeheartedly. It's pretty much following the same script as the Red Dawn remake. That is to say, the conceptual linchpin of this movie seems to be "what if Robocop was made... in 2013!?" It appears on its face to be an utterly passionless exercise. We need a catch phrase in this thread for analyses that are self-conscious about the fact that it's based on 2 minutes of film (I suggest "IKIJAT" I know It's Just a Trailer), but I can't agree more with the people in this thread who have reacted with head scratches. So far the pitch is, he's Robocop... but this time the suit is black. That it's eschewed the ultra-violence is also a pretty big red flag at this point.
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Ignoring that it's a RoboCop remake (I don't have a huge attachment to him/it anyway), I just thought the trailer was a snoozer and nothing about it grabbed me. Maybe the next one will be better.
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Ensign_Ricky posted:Not to mention that Murphy getting blowed up loses the Christ allegory of the original. Okay, every other complaint is at the very least understandable, but I have to call bullshit on this. The Christ allegory was in Robocop because it was a specific Verhoven tic. He's obsessed with the story of Christ and has said, repeatedly, that his dream project is to make a biopic of Christ's life. It was in there because he noticed the parallel and wanted to play to it; it has no other significance to the story. If you're asking for a Christ allegory, you're asking Jose Padilha (EDIT: Spelled his name wrong) to copy Paul Verhoven instead of trying to find his own way and that's just not fair. DivisionPost fucked around with this message at 05:09 on Sep 6, 2013 |
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Removing the Christ allegory from Robocop is about as easy as separating the human remains of Alex Murphy from their cradle of metal and wire that forms the machineman.
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Maarak posted:Removing the Christ allegory from Robocop is about as easy as separating the human remains of Alex Murphy from their cradle of metal and wire that forms the machineman. Yes, and as a friend of mine JUST pointed out, it hasn't been removed; Murphy still dies -- or I guess in this instance, his body is destroyed to the point where his wife certainly gives up on him -- and is later reborn. Verhoven was just blatant about it because Verhoven does subtle about as well as Elizabeth Berkley does simulated sex in a pool.
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Sep 6, 2013 05:24
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The Robocop remake trailer made the film look a lot better than I thought it was going to be. The "tactical" all-black version of Robocop looks like poo poo though. The silver "classic" suit looked great before Keaton had to gently caress it all up.
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Sep 6, 2013 05:29
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I didn't grow up in the era, so this is kinda an honest question, but did the original Robocop trailer look all that different from trailers of its time? How easily could its satirical nature be determined in that time period?
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I'm not too impressed with the trailer, but having compared it to the 80ies Robocop trailer I'm somewhat optimistic about the movie. If you watch the old trailer, it does little to suggest that the movie is a criticism of the 80ies American culture; it's just a big cool police robot kicking criminal rear end. Padilha is a great director and I'm willing to give him a chance with this. I hope it's just a bad trailer.
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The "Make him look tactical" line sold me on this new Robocop. I think it's going to be a lot more satirical than everyone's saying.
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Pick Hard posted:The "Make him look tactical" line sold me on this new Robocop. I think it's going to be a lot more satirical than everyone's saying. Well maybe there's a whole lot going on in the movie that we haven't seen yet, but everyone outside of Michael Keaton looks completely serious-to-joyless in the trailer. Not just the main characters- even the scientists who I assume will fill out the background as they did in the original looked like they weren't in on the "joke". How weird is it to pin your hopes on Michael Keaton?
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DeclaredYuppie posted:How weird is it to pin your hopes on Michael Keaton? Not weird at all. Keaton owns all of the bones.
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I'd entrust my life to Michael Keaton. That's how much I trust the guy.
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An entire generation(or more!) has forgotten how great Keaton is thanks to a decade lull in his career. Some recent stuff: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNsLOLayZ2Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoKufWbP_L4
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DivisionPost posted:Yeah, but see, as much as I like this trailer, there are a LOT of people whom I respect that absolutely despise it. This includes Jeremy "Mr. Beaks" Smith, who is hands down the ONLY reason to visit AICN. It could be because he and his ilk can smell bullshit coming from farther away than I can, or his attachment to the original is too strong (which I certainly wouldn't fault him for, especially if Robocop played a huge role in his childhood). Or because the trailer was made at MGM and didn't accomplish what it needed to. I think it looks like something I will watch though. I snuck into the theater when I was young and saw the original and I don't mind this direction at all. It would be worse to try to recreate the satire of a different time.
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scary ghost dog posted:I think the trailer is fine but some of the CGI is spotty, like when he jumps over a big wall or something and three-point lands. No amount of impeccably clean cgi can hope to replace dudes erupting in practical gibs. Not to mention hoping to up the social commentary of Verhoven, who only gets better with age. I've come to think he was insanely ahead of his time, but also unsafe in a way that we won't see again in mainstream films until the current model of AAA rehashes collapses. Al Nipper fucked around with this message at 08:06 on Sep 6, 2013 |
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I'm trying not to judge the Robocop remake by comparison to its original, but what hits me immediately about the trailer is that Robo just looks like a guy in a fancy suit, not a ruined man grafted onto a metal construction. The intact hand isn't helping though I expect it'll be relevant to the plot. I feel like it's going to lack the tragedy that makes Robo more than just a generic action hero. On the other hand, that's probably not the stuff that makes it to the trailer. But right now I don't feel like it's going to be worth watching and will wait for some reviews. "Passionless" is an apt description.
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davidspackage posted:I'm trying not to judge the Robocop remake by comparison to its original, but what hits me immediately about the trailer is that Robo just looks like a guy in a fancy suit, not a ruined man grafted onto a metal construction. The intact hand isn't helping though I expect it'll be relevant to the plot. I feel like it's going to lack the tragedy that makes Robo more than just a generic action hero. The hand is reportedly some kind of legal loophole thing, its permissible to use robots in law enforcement so long as a human hand pulls the trigger.
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massive spider posted:The hand is reportedly some kind of legal loophole thing, its permissible to use robots in law enforcement so long as a human hand pulls the trigger. Hah, that's great. The trailer is cut in a bland way, but the actual material seems fine. Good cast, good director, hints at some good satire. I'll give it a chance. Marketing needs to find a better angle though. I don't think I'd pay much attention if I wasn't familiar with the director or property.
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PaganGoatPants posted:It looks ok. I thought the trailer would be much worse. Hope they bring his badass car back. That's all I wanted as a kid. There are few four door cars that are less badass than a Ford Taurus.
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Pick Hard posted:The "Make him look tactical" line sold me on this new Robocop. I think it's going to be a lot more satirical than everyone's saying. It's too early to tell, but this trailer hints at more satire than the trailer for the original Robocop. I'm also intrigued because it looks like it might actually raise discussion about Drones. Finally, I want this movie to be awesome because it has Michael Keaton all over the trailer and that man deserves a god drat hit.
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