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AgentSythe posted:Do you have links to any videos or commentary on that Elves deck? I'd like to see it a few times before I fire up cockatrice, but it looks pretty sweet. It's on scg premium today. http://www.starcitygames.com/article/26921_Video-Elves-In-Modern.html ScarletBrother fucked around with this message at 01:02 on Sep 14, 2013 |
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AlphaKeny1 posted:Singleton batterskull wouldn't really work, it doesn't have much synergy with the rest of the deck. It's better in decks that try to grind down the opponent and is usually kept in the side. You might be better off with Wurmcoil, especially against red decks. If you're looking to gain life I'd rather put in Sword of War and Peace. Thanks, do you happen to know of any recent Esper Teachings lists? I keep an eye on the decks that get posted from MTGO events, but haven't seen Teachings crop up at all, and I'd like to get an idea of what to build towards.
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ScarletBrother posted:It's on scg premium today. http://www.starcitygames.com/article/26921_Video-Elves-In-Modern.html Wizards please reprint Wirewood Symbiote and also Gaea's Cradle tia
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Gravy Train Robber posted:Thanks, do you happen to know of any recent Esper Teachings lists? I keep an eye on the decks that get posted from MTGO events, but haven't seen Teachings crop up at all, and I'd like to get an idea of what to build towards. I haven't kept up with modern since the last season, but I actually played teachings at a PTQ. You'll have to search MTGOtop8. Any article you find will probably be super old and out of date, since teachings is a very rogue deck but it also gets better as more instant spells get printed. Try to find a list that plays at least 4 maindeck Inquisition/Thoughtseize, and take notes on what they sacrifice in their teachings toolbox for it. Play White Sun's Zenith as your finisher over Teferi.
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I'm working on putting together Affinity for modern but I came up with this list because I dunno incorrigible combo whatever: Heartless Combo It's probably too bulky to work but I liked the interaction between Heartless Summoning and Evoked mulldrifters.
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Zoness posted:I'm working on putting together Affinity for modern but I came up with this list because I dunno incorrigible combo whatever: What's your plan for when you don't have a Heartless Summoning on the board? Between variance and Abrupt Decay and Golgari Charm it might not be there for you. The answer seems to be "take longer" and you don't have the support for this.
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Zoness posted:I'm working on putting together Affinity for modern but I came up with this list because I dunno incorrigible combo whatever: Why are you running any Heartless Summoning deck without Myr Superion?
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Tharizdun posted:Why are you running any Heartless Summoning deck without Myr Superion? Because he's unplayable without the card and underwhelming with?
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:What's your plan for when you don't have a Heartless Summoning on the board? Between variance and Abrupt Decay and Golgari Charm it might not be there for you. Admittedly, it would be nice if there were a way to make sure I had more copies of summoning or make the deck work without the combo like what pod does. It's probably why the deck doesn't exist.
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Heartless Summoning was a bad deck in standard and will be even worse in modern. I mean it's fun and all but you will be super frustrated if you try to bring it to anything but the softest of FNMs.
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8th-snype posted:Heartless Summoning was a bad deck in standard and will be even worse in modern. It worked back in SOM/INN Standard when it had two good clones to cast for 1, Massacre Wurm and Wurmcoil Engine to stabilize the board, Rune-Scarred Demon chains to clench wins, and most importantly, Scars block's removal. But since then Abrupt Decay has happened and the card's only in formats that are too aggressive for how slow it starts. As much as I want to play Heartless I don't think I can.
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:It worked back in SOM/INN Standard when it had two good clones to cast for 1, Massacre Wurm and Wurmcoil Engine to stabilize the board, Rune-Scarred Demon chains to clench wins, and most importantly, Scars block's removal. I never thought wurmcoil was very good in that deck. I'd rather run a Frost Titan or two and be able to drop 2x Heartless on the board if I draw it. That deck was dead when it lost Perilous Myr, Phyrexian Metamorph, Solemn Simulacrum and Rune-Scarred Demon; those were the core of it. Losing Ponder to help dig for the Heartless didn't help either.
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Entropic posted:I never thought wurmcoil was very good in that deck. I'd rather run a Frost Titan or two and be able to drop 2x Heartless on the board if I draw it. The Wurm buddies did an important job in stifiling aggro while putting up a board presence. A 5/4 with a one-sided Infest attached for 1BBB and a 5/5 with lifelink and deathtouch for 4 did a hell of a lot to prevent losing to aggro. As much as BSZ I'd say since once they hit they were also four-turn clocks.
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I played the UB and the BR version of the deck and it was just too slow without a turn 2 Heartless. I actually liked the BR version better because playing Slagstorm and then dropping an Inferno Titan the turn after was rad as heck.
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Sep 16, 2013 21:37
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Zoness would you mind posting your modern elves list?
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ScarletBrother posted:Zoness would you mind posting your modern elves list? It's been on "to-tune" for a while: Elves Sam Black's list uses B/G instead to splash Thoughtseize (which seems p solid) and my sideboard is a mess. I liked 2x Primal Command but with DRS in the format it's not really possible any more so v  v. Also he cuts all the curios for Lead the Stampede, which leads to better drought condition hands but gives you fewer ways to go off. Archdruid + Scryb Ranger is another interesting way to go with this deck.
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Zoness posted:It's been on "to-tune" for a while: Elves That link gives a 404 error. I just bought everything for Black's list (had most of it already). Is there anything else you'd recommend picking up for flex slots and/or sideboard?
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Just went to a modern tourney with BW tokens and got crushed, which is not the norm for me and this deck. Got paired against tron twice. I think I'm going to just play four color burn. (also: check the trade thread if you are looking for horizon canopies, mine are for trade)
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I've also been having trouble with BW Tokens lately. Out of curiosity, what list are you running? On thing I've begun to suspect is that Hero of Bladehold isn't actually that effective, and that I might be better off with additional Elspeth, Knight Errants. My meta is also full of combo that likes to tap out (no tron), and I'm actually considering the (terrible) solution of throwing in Mana Tithe in my sideboard as an additional T1 play. Whats 4 color burn look like? I have a 3-color RBW Burn deck thats about 80% complete I've had on the backburner for a while.
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ScarletBrother posted:That link gives a 404 error. I just bought everything for Black's list (had most of it already). Is there anything else you'd recommend picking up for flex slots and/or sideboard? Yeah, I'd look at: Cloudstone Curio (infinite loop with sentinel, heritage druid, and visionary) Elvish Archdruid / Scryb Ranger (really fast regal force) Sam's list trades power (cloudstone curio / elvish archdruid) for consistency (lead the pack) which might be a really good idea. Zoness fucked around with this message at 06:16 on Sep 17, 2013 |
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Gravy Train Robber posted:I've also been having trouble with BW Tokens lately. Out of curiosity, what list are you running? "4-color burn" is RBW with one Stomping Ground for activating Deathrite Shaman to remove a creature from a GY. My BW Tokens list is missing Auriok Champions, but is as such: 4x Inquisition (should be 2x) 1x Duress (should be 3x Thoughtseize) 4x Tidehollow Sculler 4x Raise the Alarm 3x Intangible Virtue 2x Honor of the Pure 3x Zealous Persecution 4x Spectral Procession 4x Lingering Souls 2x Midnight Haunting 1x Hero of Bladehold 1x Elspeth, Knight Errant 4x Path to Exile 4x Windbrisk Heights 4x Godless Shrine 4x Arid Mesa 4x Marsh Flats 2x Swamp 5x Plains
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I played gr tron last week and got bootystomped by combo elves and bant hexproof (wurmcoil -> path twice without the mana up for emrakul). Was it just bad luck on my part or am I doing something wrong? Or can I write it off as a bad matchup and keep my player pride intact?
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Mortimer posted:I played gr tron last week and got bootystomped by combo elves and bant hexproof (wurmcoil -> path twice without the mana up for emrakul). Was it just bad luck on my part or am I doing something wrong? Or can I write it off as a bad matchup and keep my player pride intact? When I ask myself this question, I go through a mental checklist to see if there was anything I could have done to affect a better outcome. It's something like: Did I mulligan correctly? Or did I have to mulligan frequently in the matches? How did my hands/draws compare to theirs? Was it good draws versus good draws? Mediocre hands versus nut draws? Did mana screw/flood affect the games? Were there any obvious misplays on my part? What was my chance of winning from the outset? (IE, how's the matchup) If you get through a battery of questions like that with satisfying answers, then usually you can put that on luck. Otherwise there's probably some area you could have done better in.
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GEMorris posted:"4-color burn" is RBW with one Stomping Ground for activating Deathrite Shaman to remove a creature from a GY. I'm not entirely sure Midnight Haunting is needed in addition to Lingering Souls + Spectral Procession at the 3 drop slot- I'd probably replace these with Auriok Champions once you get them. I also think you are probably running too many copies of Windbrisk Heights- we're on a fairly slow game plan as it is and I'm not a huge fan of it coming into play tapped. I have 2x in my deck, and they show up about as often as I want to see them. I'd cut at least one or two of them and replace it with either some Isolated Chapels/Fetid Heaths or Ghost Quarter. I've always found Ghost Quarter maindeckable, but thats mostly due to my meta. I'm personally about to cut Hero of Bladehold out of my deck, and run 2-3x Elspeth, and possibly 1-2x Sorin, Lord of Innistrad at the top of my curve instead. I'm in the process of trying to overhaul my deck at the moment, and haven't done much testing of these changes yet. I'm going to work on finishing it up this weekend and will post my results with it.
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Yeah, midnight haunting is a holdover I should really get rid of (I was playing mono white tokens when they created modern, before lingering souls was even a card). I just think BW has a really bad time with From, and unfortunately From is a very popular deck right now.
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Mortimer posted:I played gr tron last week and got bootystomped by combo elves and bant hexproof (wurmcoil -> path twice without the mana up for emrakul). Was it just bad luck on my part or am I doing something wrong? Or can I write it off as a bad matchup and keep my player pride intact? With regards to the Elves matchup - you lose if you don't have pyroclasm or Oblivion Stone by turn 3 or 4, and if they get their Pendelhaven then pyroclasm isn't as good either. Getting Emrakul out against the Tron player is pretty amusing as the Elves player  .Post-board you must leave mana up for stone if you have it in play because they can pact for Viridian Shaman (or Zealot) Zoness fucked around with this message at 15:16 on Sep 17, 2013 |
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Can anyone post or link to Sam Black's list? Google is failing me.
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The March Hare posted:Can anyone post or link to Sam Black's list? Google is failing me. It's premium, here's a copy-paste of it: quote:Maindeck:
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GEMorris posted:Just went to a modern tourney with BW tokens and got crushed, which is not the norm for me and this deck. Got paired against tron twice. I think I'm going to just play four color burn. Yeah, it was a very tron heavy meta, like 4-5 decks out of 15. Also very little pod, but that will change going forward. Next week should also see an uptick in affinity. Amusingly like 3-4 guys from the store who most wanted modern work Monday nights, all of whom would have brought different decks. Finals was the other BW tokens guy I think? vs. BGw with Knight of the Reliquary.
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G/R tron pretty much just poops all over the token decks and soul sisters. Pyroclasm kills all the unbuffed tokens and then o-stone gets everything and the anthems as well. Tokens should have good sideboard options (stoney silence, suppression field, and mind censor) bit its still going to be an uphill battle. Boggles is touch match for tron as the creatures quickly get bigger than pyroclsam can handle, and aside from a quick o-stone you don't have much to interact with them. Karn can exile an enchantment to make a daybreak coronet fall off, but odds are they will just pile more of them on before that happens. I have 2 Back to Nature along with a couple Nature's Claims to help the match up.
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Did you guys seen the Top 8 for GP Detroit? loving yaaaaaaawn
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AgentSythe posted:Did you guys seen the Top 8 for GP Detroit? loving yaaaaaaawn I didn't, but let me guess? Jund/Pod all over the place?
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Jenx posted:I didn't, but let me guess? Jund/Pod all over the place? 6 Jund, 1 Affinity, 1 Pod
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4 Jund, 2 B/G decks. http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/eventcoverage/gpdet13/welcome#1
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I'm not sure what they can do about the 4 Bobs / 4 Goyfs / 4 Deathrite Shamans deck shell being so utterly dominant in Modern. They really don't want to ban Bob or Goyf after just reprinting them to much fanfare. And plenty of 'answers' would just end up being added to the deck. Scavenging Ooze to answer Goyf? Goyf decks are now running their own Oozes.
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Entropic posted:I'm not sure what they can do about the 4 Bobs / 4 Goyfs / 4 Deathrite Shamans deck shell being so utterly dominant in Modern. They really don't want to ban Bob or Goyf after just reprinting them to much fanfare. And plenty of 'answers' would just end up being added to the deck. Scavenging Ooze to answer Goyf? Goyf decks are now running their own Oozes. They could ban fetchlands.
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AnacondaHL posted:They could ban fetchlands. If they felt like killing an entire format, sure.
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AnacondaHL posted:They could ban fetchlands. Leaving Affinity the king of the format?
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Entropic posted:I'm not sure what they can do about the 4 Bobs / 4 Goyfs / 4 Deathrite Shamans deck shell being so utterly dominant in Modern. They really don't want to ban Bob or Goyf after just reprinting them to much fanfare. And plenty of 'answers' would just end up being added to the deck. Scavenging Ooze to answer Goyf? Goyf decks are now running their own Oozes. Hey, don't leave Lilliana off that list. I don't think they need to ban anything from this deck at this point. Its good, it has lots of answers and threats because it plays really good cards, but isnt broken.
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