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How would anyone piece together that theon had children with the millers wife. Or did I misinterpret something
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If there is one person and one person only who could never, ever, definitely never be a secret Targ it's Tyrion. If you think Tyrion is not Tywin and Joanna Lannister's 100% biological son, then you don't understand a thing about Tywin's character, his relationship with Tyrion, irony, or literature in general.
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Sep 19, 2013 00:03
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NihilCredo posted:I really like this theory that Theon killed his own children. Mind you, in the same way I like the Longclaw = Dark Sister theory: incredibly flimsy but so fitting I want them to be true. chellesandcheese posted:But see this is where I find the entire theory lacking. It adds nothing to his arc. In this thread I have encountered someone who finds my evidence to be fairly strong but dismisses the idea because it doesn't "fit" and someone who loves the idea because it is fitting, yet finds the evidence flimsy. I've made my case. There's nothing really more to say. Conquistador posted:Am I lame for thinking Theon's life just sucks and theres no mysticism behind that? I don't think the mystical element is necessary for Theon to be a kinslayer, but if the gods exist and do punish kinslayers then yeah they are punishing the hell out of Theon.
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Sep 19, 2013 00:03
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Blind Melon posted:In this thread I have encountered someone who finds my evidence to be fairly strong but dismisses the idea because it doesn't "fit" and someone who loves the idea because it is fitting, yet finds the evidence flimsy. You've kind of misinterpreted what I said there. I think the argument is flimsy, AND I don't think it makes any sense in the story arc. I just said that your latest post with more to back up the theory was stronger than the original argument you presented. I really didn't feel like I kept needing to say you were stretching things because I said that in several previous posts.  But I agree, there's not much more to say there. We can agree to disagree.
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Sep 19, 2013 00:13
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We should talk more about the hate-blizzard, just because it's fairly intriguing that apparently the Old Gods really, really care about one specific family ruling in one specific castle, and don't you dare gently caress with that.
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Sep 19, 2013 00:28
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CapnAndy posted:We should talk more about the hate-blizzard, just because it's fairly intriguing that apparently the Old Gods really, really care about one specific family ruling in one specific castle, and don't you dare gently caress with that. Yes I would like to know more about this too, since I apparently completely forgot about it
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Sep 19, 2013 00:33
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I believe the loony theory is that the Horn of Winter was hidden in the crypts of Winterfell (or maybe not?) and the Umbers have it and used it to summon the hate blizzard. Which is an awesome theory because the Umbers are metal as gently caress. The Umbers in Winterfell are totally planning to die gloriously murdering Freys and Boltons and it is beautiful. Or it could be because the fake wedding pissed the Old Gods off. Blind Melon fucked around with this message at 00:37 on Sep 19, 2013 |
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Sep 19, 2013 00:34
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A slight derail back to secret Targs, apologies in advance. It's pretty funny that the matter of Targaryen hair and eye color keeps coming up as supporting evidence for secret Targaryen theories when in fact the only verifiable secret Targaryen takes completely after his non-Targaryen mother and looks exactly like his fake father.
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Sep 19, 2013 00:39
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Conquistador posted:Yes I would like to know more about this too, since I apparently completely forgot about it
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Sep 19, 2013 01:32
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emanresu tnuocca posted:It's pretty funny that the matter of Targaryen hair and eye color keeps coming up as supporting evidence for secret Targaryen theories when in fact the only verifiable secret Targaryen takes completely after his non-Targaryen mother and looks exactly like his fake father. Yeah, it's kind of dumb. Even Robert himself is a Targaryen descendant, after all, and his entire family has "black of hair and eye" as a known feature. GRRM's kind of derpy about how genetics work sometimes, but at least he understands how dominant/recessive traits function, what with it being a plot point in the first book. Black hair overrides blond hair. It is known. Targ looks are most likely incredibly recessive due to excessive inbreeding, to be entirely honest.
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Sep 19, 2013 02:16
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CapnAndy posted:Y'know that blizzard that's loving with Stannis and his march on Winterfell? It gets stronger the closer they get, meaning it's centered on Winterfell, it lasts for a completely unbelievable amount of time and doesn't move on, and the snowfall starts literally as soon as Roose and Fake Arya get married. Oh ok, yes I do remember that. I thought...something else entirely. E: Has there been any texts that suggests its some sort of pissed off deity? I guess that is where my disconnect was. I'm not trying to be contrary either, though I will admit I am a bit of a ASOIAF Atheist
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Sep 19, 2013 02:29
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The only thing I noticed about Theon and the miller's wife is like everyone else in game of thrones he has an obsession with big dark nipples.
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Sep 19, 2013 02:36
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Davincie posted:What is the show, I could translate what he said. I found this http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/924/Showbizz/article/detail/1707152/2013/09/18/Rutger-Hauer-denkt-een-rol-te-hebben-gehad-in-Game-of-Thrones.dhtml
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Sep 19, 2013 02:38
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bobjr posted:The only thing I noticed about Theon and the miller's wife is like everyone else in game of thrones he has an obsession with big dark nipples. Well, to be fair, big dark nipples are pretty sweet
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Sep 19, 2013 02:40
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:Targ looks are most likely incredibly recessive due to excessive inbreeding, to be entirely honest. Which is kind of fortunate for Ned, Lyanna and Baby Jon. "Promise me, Ned." "I totally would but the kid got purple eyes and silver hair for gently caress's sake." Though apparently this logic doesn't apply if one of the parents is an olive skinned and black haired Martell. emanresu tnuocca fucked around with this message at 07:22 on Sep 19, 2013 |
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Sep 19, 2013 02:41
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I thought it was just a blizzard. A regular ol' blizzard
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Sep 19, 2013 02:43
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whalestory posted:I thought it was just a blizzard. A regular ol' blizzard It was 
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whalestory posted:I thought it was just a blizzard. A regular ol' blizzard No, it's totally Bran practicing the entire god thing!
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Sep 19, 2013 03:01
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Conquistador posted:E: Has there been any texts that suggests its some sort of pissed off deity? I guess that is where my disconnect was. I'm not trying to be contrary either, though I will admit I am a bit of a ASOIAF Atheist whalestory posted:I thought it was just a blizzard. A regular ol' blizzard
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Sep 19, 2013 03:21
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Jon's chapters at the wall describe the weather as being more mild then that of Winterfell hinting that winter itself is eminating from that location. I really like this theory because it adds depth to the house words "Winter is Coming" as well as weight to Ned's constant reminders that "there must always be a Stark in Winterfell".
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Sep 19, 2013 03:49
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CapnAndy posted:There's nothing explicitly supernatural about it, but again -- it is a giant blizzard that comes out of nowhere, starts on top of Winterfell (which is nowhere near any bodies of water), and then does not move, just staying right there and constantly growing stronger even past the point where seasoned Northmen expected it to move on/end, and it starts exactly when Roose Bolton marries Fake Arya in front of a heart tree. It's a preponderance of coincidences. I missed this localization entirely. I thought this was the Big Blizzard bringing on the Long Winter and covered the whole north.
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Sep 19, 2013 03:55
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emanresu tnuocca posted:Which is kind of fortunate for Ned, Lyanna and Baby Jon. Some families have the Targaryen/Valyrian look and the supposed mother for Ned's Bastard (Ashara Dayne) was one of those.
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Sep 19, 2013 04:05
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Sometimes I hope the real answer GRRM was looking for was "His parents are Willa and Ned, duh. It's spelled out in the book!"
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Sep 19, 2013 04:12
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CapnAndy posted:There's nothing explicitly supernatural about it, but again -- it is a giant blizzard that comes out of nowhere, starts on top of Winterfell (which is nowhere near any bodies of water), and then does not move, just staying right there and constantly growing stronger even past the point where seasoned Northmen expected it to move on/end, and it starts exactly when Roose Bolton marries Fake Arya in front of a heart tree. It's a preponderance of coincidences. Also, it's said that Bran the Builder built all of Winterfell, Storm's End, and The Wall. We know for certain the latter two are magical, so it's not much of a stretch to propose that Winterfell is, too. This is far from certain, though, since it presumes that Bran the Builder built all three, that Bran the Builder ever existed in the first place, and that two being magical means the third is too.
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Sep 19, 2013 04:33
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Ballz posted:Got a link where he says he's in GoT? As far as I can tell, that hasn't been reported anywhere at this point. My immersion is ruined by their little plastic water bottles.
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Sep 19, 2013 05:02
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elgarbo posted:My immersion is ruined by their little plastic water bottles. Not by the tour bus?
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Sep 19, 2013 05:06
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If that's where I think it is, it's basically the bus station just outside the old town of Dubrovnik 
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Sep 19, 2013 05:29
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Pascallion posted:Sometimes I hope the real answer GRRM was looking for was "His parents are Willa and Ned, duh. It's spelled out in the book!" Nah Willa was just the wet-nurse, it was the fisherman's daughter.
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Sep 19, 2013 05:57
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lifts cats over head posted:Jon's chapters at the wall describe the weather as being more mild then that of Winterfell hinting that winter itself is eminating from that location. I really like this theory because it adds depth to the house words "Winter is Coming" as well as weight to Ned's constant reminders that "there must always be a Stark in Winterfell". So are you trying to say that without a Stark in Winterfell that the shows go crazy and screw everything up?
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Sep 19, 2013 07:01
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emanresu tnuocca posted:A slight derail back to secret Targs, apologies in advance. I don't actually think Tyrion is Aerys son. Mostly I wonder if Tywin thought so. Theon Kinslayer is fact though.
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Sep 19, 2013 07:14
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Boldor posted:Also, it's said that Bran the Builder built all of Winterfell, Storm's End, and The Wall. We know for certain the latter two are magical, so it's not much of a stretch to propose that Winterfell is, too. We don't "know for certain" that Storm's End is magical, it's just a myth. Also the myth that Brandon the Builder advised on its construction is separate and conflicting.
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Sep 19, 2013 08:29
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Melisandre had to get under the walls of Storms End to let out the shadow baby because of the spells in the walls.
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Sep 19, 2013 08:31
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GodFish posted:Melisandre had to get under the walls of Storms End to let out the shadow baby because of the spells in the walls. It was really just a metaphor for women taking a submissive role to men
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Sep 19, 2013 08:36
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GodFish posted:Melisandre had to get under the walls of Storms End to let out the shadow baby because of the spells in the walls. Well, that's what she said but she's wrong about almost everything so
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Sep 19, 2013 08:37
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Ballz posted:WiC's twitter says the Hauer casting is a false alarm, and that there was confusion between Game of Thrones and "The Scorpion King: The Lost Throne." He was just being a confused old man apparently, ah well.
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Sep 19, 2013 09:32
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I didn't see this posted yet: sample pages of Wit and Wisdom. Looks about as  as we were all imagining. Buy The Hedge Knight graphic novel for your non-book-reading friends for two dollars cheaper, not this.
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Sep 19, 2013 13:55
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lifts cats over head posted:Jon's chapters at the wall describe the weather as being more mild then that of Winterfell hinting that winter itself is eminating from that location. I really like this theory because it adds depth to the house words "Winter is Coming" as well as weight to Ned's constant reminders that "there must always be a Stark in Winterfell". Would the statement really have such a double meaning? You'd assume he means that Winterfell is the Starks' home, and their family must not let anyone take it over. But then you'd also assume that "There's always money in the banana stand" meant that it is a profitable enterprise.
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I have a question (I haven't read the novels but I've eaten my way through most of the wiki) that you guys might be able to answer: why are Lannister armies not on their way to smoke out Stannis? I mean, he lost a significant portion of his troops and he still has a problem of being so intensely unlikable that I'd wager his armies would fold quickly against a combined force of Lannisters and Tyrells. Even more weirdly, apparently Stannis later decides to march north, leaving his core lands exposed. Can anyone educate me on the logic in this military manoeuver?
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Yureina posted:So are you trying to say that without a Stark in Winterfell that the shows go crazy and screw everything up? Winterfell is a thermostat and only the Starks have the proper certification to adjust it.
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the jizz taxi posted:I have a question (I haven't read the novels but I've eaten my way through most of the wiki) that you guys might be able to answer: why are Lannister armies not on their way to smoke out Stannis? I mean, he lost a significant portion of his troops and he still has a problem of being so intensely unlikable that I'd wager his armies would fold quickly against a combined force of Lannisters and Tyrells. Even more weirdly, apparently Stannis later decides to march north, leaving his core lands exposed. Can anyone educate me on the logic in this military manoeuver? Stannis controls the navy and Dragonstone is an island. Also, Stannis is only unlikeable from the perspective of lords, highborne and politicians. His men are fiercely loyal to him.
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