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Man, Sonic is so incredibly unlikable if you choose to play him that way. I'm waiting on Tails to just knock him out. Also, why not invest in Tails' team up move with Sonic if it does more than Sonic/Amy's?
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Dr. Buttass posted:There's an old-ish Tumblr post or something kicking around about how Rouge is basically the Sonic franchise's (and, to a lesser extent, gaming in general's) biggest wasted potential. The Cliff's Notes version is that Sonic Team took a comedy prompt (a three-foot femme fatale who steals everything that isn't nailed down, is obsessed with jewels, and will not be stopped) and said, "Instead of doing something funny, let's see how many awkward furry boners we can get going." I seem to recall someone back in 19LettersLong's Sonic LP posted a rather nice hypothetical design for Rouge with a scarf or a cape, and, well, not a pink heart for a shirt. Does anyone have that?
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Sep 23, 2013 06:25
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Lizard Wizard posted:That icon for Shriek is just ridiculous. Did you take a look at the icon for distract?
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Sep 23, 2013 06:34
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Kurieg posted:Did you take a look at the icon for distract? Also hilarious, yes.  Also, I found that redesign fanart. MUCH more sensible than what we got if you ask me. Scaly Haylie fucked around with this message at 06:55 on Sep 23, 2013 |
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Lizard Wizard posted:Also hilarious, yes. Ah yes, TheKKM. I remember him from the Sonic Comic Marathon, he did a lot of art like that, and a lot of redesigns, though most of them are focused on the lovely characters from the comic and not the game characters. His Rouge is very nice though. Wind God Sety posted:Isn't that more or less what they've done post-Sonic 2006? Pretty much. Really only Sonic, Tails and Amy have done anything post-2006, and Amy was really only in Unleashed. Which going by order of characters created, Knuckles would be the next one to properly add in since it goes Sonic, Tails, Amy, Knuckles. At least if we don't look at Mighty and Ray. Or Nack the Weasel/Fang the Sniper, Or the Chaotix in gener- Who thought it was only after the Classic series ended that Sonic got a bunch of friends again?! Also, Central City is a literal drat pain. While there's no places in the game the music is good that is a location where the game must go mute. Again this was still the beginning so I was holding out hopes. Hopes that at sometime this would magically morph into a good game.
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Sep 23, 2013 08:23
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I would not have figured to have Sonic be the guy with mostly combo skills and Tails with none.
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Sep 23, 2013 08:28
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Glazius posted:I would not have figured to have Sonic be the guy with mostly combo skills and Tails with none. Really? Sonic would pretty much combo with everyone, being the main character and needing to be in the party. Like Crono.
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Sep 23, 2013 09:22
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Sonic understands the Real Super Power of Teamwork™.
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Sep 23, 2013 09:36
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Onmi posted:Pretty much. Really only Sonic, Tails and Amy have done anything post-2006, and Amy was really only in Unleashed. Which going by order of characters created, Knuckles would be the next one to properly add in since it goes Sonic, Tails, Amy, Knuckles. Well, Knuckles is going to be in Lost World! Maybe they're going to steadily reintroduce one character per game until the heat death of the universe? Also, I know it was pointed out but: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CNiBFrEnWk MEDIBOT
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Onmi posted:At least if we don't look at Mighty and Ray. Or Nack the Weasel/Fang the Sniper, Or the Chaotix in gener- Who thought it was only after the Classic series ended that Sonic got a bunch of friends again?!
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Seeing this thread just reminded me of how much I disliked this game, and actually was the kickstarter for me starting to dislike Bioware. The story and dialogue has potential, but the battle system, stats, and music are just so terrible. My main issue is just that after a certain point, you realize that everything revolves around using POW attacks and combo attacks if you want to actually finish battles efficiently, hence why Tails and future character who is better than Tails are never gonna leave your party, since they're the only ones who can restore PP, as well as healing, and maybe defense buffs. And of course, every POW attack is always going through the motions of touchscreen quick time events, so it can get tedious after a while, especially if some random lowbie enemy attacks you. If I recall correctly, your characters never get strong enough that they can faceroll random mooks with spamming attack and POW attacks are almost always the fastest way of finishing a battle. Still, I had high hopes for this game at the time, and if it had a more consistent system rather than some weird blend of JRPG battles with WRPG stat balance, it might have been a more worthwhile game.
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SonicRulez posted:Man, Sonic is so incredibly unlikable if you choose to play him that way. I'm waiting on Tails to just knock him out. Also, why not invest in Tails' team up move with Sonic if it does more than Sonic/Amy's? I focused on Sonic/Amy's more because Amy is (most likely) going to be a staple of our team more than Tails. There is at least one more healer in the game that we might switch Tails for, (or alternately we could get 4 power characters and just start munching consumable items at alarming rates) so I didn't want to commit too hard to using him. Allarion posted:Seeing this thread just reminded me of how much I disliked this game, and actually was the kickstarter for me starting to dislike Bioware. The story and dialogue has potential, but the battle system, stats, and music are just so terrible. My main issue is just that after a certain point, you realize that everything revolves around using POW attacks and combo attacks if you want to actually finish battles efficiently, hence why Tails and future character who is better than Tails are never gonna leave your party, since they're the only ones who can restore PP, as well as healing, and maybe defense buffs. And of course, every POW attack is always going through the motions of touchscreen quick time events, so it can get tedious after a while, especially if some random lowbie enemy attacks you. If I recall correctly, your characters never get strong enough that they can faceroll random mooks with spamming attack and POW attacks are almost always the fastest way of finishing a battle. Still, I had high hopes for this game at the time, and if it had a more consistent system rather than some weird blend of JRPG battles with WRPG stat balance, it might have been a more worthwhile game. Well to be fair, I think special attacks are always gonna be the fastest way to end a battle in any RPG. I do see where you're coming from though, (I mean trust me, I get tired of playing Elite Beat Hedgehogs every battle) but I think a lot of the time it is possible to just straight up attack your way to victory. At least, on non-robot opponents...
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One thing that really annoyed me about this game was how Tails' healing ability requires a QTE and if you fail it then you get absolutely no healing whatsoever. It's not the hardest QTE in the world but it's really loving irritating.
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Sep 24, 2013 08:06
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Lizard Wizard posted:Also hilarious, yes. Not gonna lie, I'm digging this design of Rouge. Cape-Wings are a cool touch and she isn't wearing stupid high heels either.
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Line Feed posted:One thing that really annoyed me about this game was how Tails' healing ability requires a QTE and if you fail it then you get absolutely no healing whatsoever. It's not the hardest QTE in the world but it's really loving irritating. Oh, so very yes. I cannot count the number of times I told him to heal, his turn came up, he started doing his thing then at the last second I remember I'm supposed to poke the screen, and it's too late. No healing for me.
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TwoPair posted:
 Well, you can't deny that he has a point.  I'm rather surprised that Central City looks nothing like how it has in other games. Additionally, that GUN guy was a bit of a jerk to Amy. Wind God Sety posted:Isn't that more or less what they've done post-Sonic 2006? Sort of. The active and recurring Sonic friends so far are: * Sonic * Tails * Knuckles * Shadow * Rouge * Amy * Cream * Vector * Espio * Charmy * Blaze * Silver With occasional appearances by Big and Omega. Blueberry Pancakes fucked around with this message at 23:35 on Sep 24, 2013 |
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: Because I... well... because they’re ROOFTOPS!
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Kurieg posted:Blaze and Silver deserve note because they've basically been reintroduced as Friends by Sonic Generation's Time-fuckery after their own games wrote them out of existence. Blaze still has the Rush games for a backstory. Silver doesn't, but afaik he's just kind of around with Blaze now so we can still pretend very hard that 06 never happened.
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Geostomp posted:Blaze still has the Rush games for a backstory. Silver doesn't, but afaik he's just kind of around with Blaze now so we can still pretend very hard that 06 never happened. Silver is still "From the Future" it's just the future isn't a poo poo hole. he intends to keep it that way.
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Geostomp posted:Blaze still has the Rush games for a backstory. Silver doesn't, but afaik he's just kind of around with Blaze now so we can still pretend very hard that 06 never happened. But '06 didn't happen. Seriously, it's own freaking ending wrote it out of existence. It's like a writer on the game got a premonition that it was going to suck and that was the most damage control he could do.
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Wind God Sety posted:Isn't that more or less what they've done post-Sonic 2006? Mostly, yeah. They're headed in the right direction but they still have this big glut of useless characters they need to do away with. Relegating them to cameos in Generations was another step in the right direction but it's still a sign that they're hanging onto them in case they have another dumb idea. Basically, the part of me that's been a fan of this series since he was a tiny child is hopping up and down in a spergy, entitled rage, demanding that they prune the hell out of this tree. I wanna say they should ditch all but two or three non-core characters but they seem to be trying pretty hard to make Shadow and Rouge part of the core cast, so I'm not really sure where to put them when I make that statement. Lizard Wizard posted:Also hilarious, yes. That is motherfucking excellent. Who drew that? Why aren't they working for Sonic Team right loving now?
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A question for the more expertly sonic fans out there...It's no real secret that the Sonic franchise borrows a lot from Dragonball Z, basically designing many of its characters personalities after the characters from the other IP, but how many exactly are, and who are they "homages" to? Sonic was always a Goku analogue, especially in "super" mode. (it could be argued that the werehog mode from Unleashed might have a reference to the lunar ape mode as well). Knuckles is the gruff Piccolo, that starts as an antagonist, but quickly becomes a friendly rival, while remaining a different species. Shadow would be Vegeta by this logic, the dark brooding anti-hero that also starts as a major villain, bearing a strong resemblance to the hero. And Silver is painfully obviously a Trunks homage, traveling through time to prevent his own apocalypse. I'm sure there are more, but I'm not going to try any harder than that obvious surface level.
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Choco1980 posted:A question for the more expertly sonic fans out there...It's no real secret that the Sonic franchise borrows a lot from Dragonball Z, basically designing many of its characters personalities after the characters from the other IP, but how many exactly are, and who are they "homages" to? Amy's definitely Chi-Chi, Goku's wife and a manic personality with violent anger issues when protecting (or chastizing) her family. Tails would be Krillin, the eternal sidekick whose main defining trait is "not as awesome as these other guys, but always around to do things like babysit or explain why the other guys are being so awesome."
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Choco1980 posted:I'm sure there are more, but I'm not going to try any harder than that obvious surface level. Tails=Bulma, perhaps? And Amy is similar to the Dragon Ball version of ChiChi.
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Kurieg posted:Blaze and Silver deserve note because they've basically been reintroduced as Friends by Sonic Generation's Time-fuckery after their own games wrote them out of existence. Silver also has the Rivals series where he fills essentially the same role.
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Choco1980 posted:A question for the more expertly sonic fans out there...It's no real secret that the Sonic franchise borrows a lot from Dragonball Z, basically designing many of its characters personalities after the characters from the other IP, but how many exactly are, and who are they "homages" to? Now I wasn't there when they created all the different Sonic characters, but to me at least it doesn't feel like much outside of Super Sonic was intentionally borrowed from DBZ. There are some similarities but also a lot of contrasting. For example, Tails may be a gadget person like Bulma, but his personality is completely different from her. It feels more like they're just built on the same basic archetypes that get used repeatedly in the media. I have to say though, Silver does feel like Trunks ripoff. I wouldn't be surprised if it was intentional. It' funny, I remember how popular Tails and Knuckles were back when they were first introduced. Adding new characters worked great at the time. Man did that end up backfiring down the road.
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They were actual useful characters. The ones they added later were not, and most of them only got talking roles. The rest were either clones or were given gameplay mechanics that didn't make them worth playing. Also they were forced upon you.
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Cheez posted:They were actual useful characters. The ones they added later were not, and most of them only got talking roles. The rest were either clones or were given gameplay mechanics that didn't make them worth playing. Also they were forced upon you. Yeah but what about the Sonic characters?
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:With occasional appearances by Big and Omega. Speaking of which, I can't believe nobody's pointed out Get hype, Froggy  e: Big is probably one of the most awful Sonic characters by weight, but there's something endearing about the fact that he's unapologetically a dumb joke character in a series that all-too-often treats characters who should be dumb jokes like they aren't. Opposing Farce fucked around with this message at 17:17 on Sep 25, 2013 |
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:Sort of. The active and recurring Sonic friends so far are: To be fair, most of those characters have only been in Generations after 2006, where the whole point was to celebrate everything Sonic's been through. Between Secret Rings, Unleashed, Black Knight, Colors, and Lost World, I think it's just been Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Shadow, Blaze and Amy. And of those I think you've only had to play as Sonic, with Knucles/Blaze/Shadow being optional characters in one game. I guess there were maybe some handheld games since then that I never played so I dunno who was in those though. I guess that's still a decent amount, but it seems like they've been cutting down. Wind God Sety fucked around with this message at 17:26 on Sep 25, 2013 |
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Wind God Sety posted:To be fair, most of those characters have only been in Generations after 2006, where the whole point was to celebrate everything Sonic's been through. Between Secret Rings, Unleashed, Black Knight, Colors, and Lost World, I think it's just been Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Shadow, Blaze and Amy. And of those I think you've only had to play as Sonic, with Knucles/Blaze/Shadow being optional characters in one game. I guess there were maybe some handheld games since then that I never played so I dunno who was in those though. I guess that's still a decent amount, but it seems like they've been cutting down. Somewhat off topic, but doesn't Generations have level that are actually from Sonic 2006? I would think that Sega or Sonic Team would want to forget that game as much as possible. The equivalent would be if the Yankees put together a Mariano Riviera tribute video that included the times he blew important Saves in the Playoffs.
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SirPhoebos posted:Somewhat off topic, but doesn't Generations have level that are actually from Sonic 2006? I would think that Sega or Sonic Team would want to forget that game as much as possible. The equivalent would be if the Yankees put together a Mariano Riviera tribute video that included the times he blew important Saves in the Playoffs. Yep, and to their credit, Crisis City is probably not only the best level in 06 (not exactly saying much), but one of the best levels in Generations, so hey, it worked out for the better.
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SirPhoebos posted:Somewhat off topic, but doesn't Generations have level that are actually from Sonic 2006? I would think that Sega or Sonic Team would want to forget that game as much as possible. The equivalent would be if the Yankees put together a Mariano Riviera tribute video that included the times he blew important Saves in the Playoffs.
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Artix posted:Yep, and to their credit, Crisis City is probably not only the best level in 06 (not exactly saying much), but one of the best levels in Generations, so hey, it worked out for the better. I actually thought it was one of the worst levels in Generations, myself. What's so great about it?
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Opposing Farce posted:Speaking of which, I can't believe nobody's pointed out Big the Cat is probably one of the high points of this game due to his ridiculous comments. I think I kept him in my party regardless just to make sure I'd see him react to everything. Might have been a decent meat-shield too if I remember correctly.
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^^^ HEY BRO I SAID DON'T SPOIL ANYTHING. Nah whatever the game did already spoil it. Get hype for Froggy, indeed. e: Also, on the topic of '06 stuff, Crisis City may suck or it may not, but it's music is totally one of my favorite tracks in recent years. TwoPair fucked around with this message at 09:34 on Sep 26, 2013 |
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TwoPair posted:^^^ HEY BRO I SAID DON'T SPOIL ANYTHING. Nah whatever the game did already spoil it. Get hype for Froggy, indeed. The original is kind of iffy and feels a bit blogged down at times, though mostly decent. But my goodness, Generations did magic with it.
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SirPhoebos posted:Somewhat off topic, but doesn't Generations have level that are actually from Sonic 2006? I would think that Sega or Sonic Team would want to forget that game as much as possible. The equivalent would be if the Yankees put together a Mariano Riviera tribute video that included the times he blew important Saves in the Playoffs. It's more like if you wrote a history book and then didn't include WWII because really, that's so played out already. It's supposed to be a chronicling of all he's been through, and even though not every game got a level, there's probably at least one song/piece of art/cameo/easter egg referring to even the more easily forgotten games.
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SirPhoebos posted:Somewhat off topic, but doesn't Generations have level that are actually from Sonic 2006? I would think that Sega or Sonic Team would want to forget that game as much as possible. The equivalent would be if the Yankees put together a Mariano Riviera tribute video that included the times he blew important Saves in the Playoffs. I'm glad they've embraced the whole fiasco. One of the points of remembering history is so we can avoid repeating the same mistakes.
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Lizard Wizard posted:Also hilarious, yes. I've got to say in spite of everything I still prefer the design on the right. If there were a good compromise between "practical cape for sneaking around" and "showboating bat wings" I would probably have gone with that instead.
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