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Show Cersei is even dumber than Book Cersei, that entire "Yo Marge, I'm gonna go Rains of Castamere all over your rear end" thing was completely on the nose and unnecessary.
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emanresu tnuocca posted:Show Cersei is even dumber than Book Cersei, that entire "Yo Marge, I'm gonna go Rains of Castamere all over your rear end" thing was completely on the nose and unnecessary. This is a recurring element in the show, regardless of the character.
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Oct 4, 2013 06:08
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It kinda has to be, unless you want a million jumbled internal monologues that would serve only to confuse
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When casual watchers are struggling to remember who Margery even is sometimes you have to spell things out.
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Oct 4, 2013 06:11
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NihilCredo posted:But anyway, what was that 'mocking gift' he said Tywin gave him at the start of this chapter?". The golden hand, which Jaime didn't take too kindly to initially. [Edit] Or might be the valyrian steel sword actually, rereading a bit. Dave Angel fucked around with this message at 10:23 on Oct 4, 2013 |
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Oct 4, 2013 10:10
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Xenoborg posted:When casual watchers are struggling to remember who Margery even is sometimes you have to spell things out. I've been doing a survey of every show watcher I meet, to see how well casual viewers (because lets face it, goons are nerds) picked up on all the Rains of Castamere. Of the ten I asked: 6 had no idea there was a significant piece of music during the Red Wedding. 2 recognised that there was creepy music. 1 thought it was some creepy music from Cats past. Only 1 correctly identified it as Rains of Castamere. Of the other 9 only 4 realised the significance once I told them the song. Additionaly, when I asked about Jaqen one girl described him as "that wizard who can kill people by saying their name"
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Oct 4, 2013 10:40
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Dave Angel posted:The golden hand, which Jaime didn't take too kindly to initially. It was the sword. I think he only gets the hand in Feast, which is after Tywin dies.
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Oct 4, 2013 11:37
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How are we defining "casual viewer"? Someone that only watches the show because everyone else they know watches it?
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The Sharmat posted:How are we defining "casual viewer"? Someone that only watches the show because everyone else they know watches it? I'd assume it means someone who watches the show but doesn't read the books, but then that makes adding the word "casual" seem redundant. Maybe it's supposed to mean people who are flipping channels, see Game of Thrones on, and go "gently caress it, i'll watch this."
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Oct 4, 2013 11:55
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I'd say it's people who don't religiously discuss the show in online forums or with bookreader friends, only watch each episode once and don't consult the HBO viewer's guide.
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emanresu tnuocca posted:I'd say it's people who don't religiously discuss the show in online forums or with bookreader friends, only watch each episode once and don't consult the HBO viewer's guide. Exactly this.
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I would say casual are the people who don't know the character names.
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Kawalimus posted:I would say casual are the people who don't know the character names. Don't you just hate Jeffrey?
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Dave Angel posted:The golden hand, which Jaime didn't take too kindly to initially. It's absolutely the sword. Jaime himself thinks about having a golden hand made, but there's nothing worse than the Lannisters finally getting a Valyrian steel sword and giving it to the guy who was the finest swordsman in the land until he lost his sword hand. It was like buying Varys a Willy warmer for Christmas.
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Piell posted:Don't you just hate Jeffrey? Yeah he sucks. But at least Kalisi is awesome. I just hope her and Joel Morman hook up already!
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Oct 4, 2013 15:12
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Carl Dragon Jr.'s makes great loving burgers, man. The Sirloin that Mounts the World.
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Re: Mocking Gift Tywin gave a man known as the Kingslayer (famous for breaking his oath to his first king), a sword named Oathkeeper. You can see how someone might consider that a slap in the face. And why he almost immediately handed it off to Brienne.
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jng2058 posted:Re: Mocking Gift Jaime gave it the name Oathkeeper, not Tywin.
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jng2058 posted:Re: Mocking Gift He also gave a one-armed man a sword.
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You can wield a sword one-armed, ableist scum 
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jng2058 posted:Re: Mocking Gift Jaime was pretty annoyed at the gift ("There was a time that I would have given my right hand to wield a sword like that. Now it appears I have, so the blade is wasted on me.") but the name Oathkeeper was his own choice, because giving it to Brienne and sending her after Sansa was all about hoping she'd manage to keep whatever was left of their oaths to Catelyn Stark.
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Eh, my way makes for a better story. 
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To get back to some actual show chat, one of the trickiest parts of the adaptation, to me, is that Jaime and Brienne arrive in King's Landing while Sansa's still around. It kind of takes the wind out of the sails of the whole "This is one oath we're going to keep, go find the Stark girls!" thing if they've already found one of them. In fact, since they know Catelyn's dead and there's no one to return them to, what's the plan exactly? Is Brienne going to go looking for Arya at all? How is Jaime going to interpret his oath now that Sansa's around but there's no one to send her to?
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jng2058 posted:Eh, my way makes for a better story. Considering Tywin was trying to get Jaime to break his Kingsguard vows, it would just be Tywin being completely obtuse to the irony.
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Dolash posted:To get back to some actual show chat, one of the trickiest parts of the adaptation, to me, is that Jaime and Brienne arrive in King's Landing while Sansa's still around. It kind of takes the wind out of the sails of the whole "This is one oath we're going to keep, go find the Stark girls!" thing if they've already found one of them. Catelyn was dead when Jaimie sent Brienne out anyways - he told her to find Sansa and take her to her aunt. It's not too much of a stretch to say he can't act now because she's relatively safe and he would be acting directly against Tywin (imagine Jaime explaining to his father that they have to give the "key to the North" up because of his promise to a dead woman), but once the Purple wedding happens and Sansa disappears for Jaime to decide "if I don't find Sansa before Cersei, she's dead, so I'll send Brienne out to find her and make sure she's safe" would be more realistic. It would also be easy to explain why Brienne only looks for Sansa - they've already met and she would recognize her, she has a fresh trail to follow, plus it makes a lot more sense to say "she's disappeared but can't have gotten far, if you're quick you can find her" than saying "she's been gone for days/weeks, try heading North". Jaime thinking Arya is dead or better off lost and unknown or just saying they have next to no chance of finding her after so much time would be easy to explain too. Narmi fucked around with this message at 18:05 on Oct 4, 2013 |
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Narmi posted:It would also be easy to explain why Brienne only looks for Sansa - they've already met and she would recognize her, she has a fresh trail to follow, plus it makes a lot more sense to say "she's disappeared but can't have gotten far, if you're quick you can find her" than saying "she's been gone for days/weeks, try heading North". Jaime thinking Arya is dead or better off lost and unknown or just saying they have next to no chance of finding her after so much time would be easy to explain too. Hey we might get a Brienne/Sansa scene. 
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Hey, Brienne's line about looking for her, uh, "sister" will be way more believable now considering Sophie Turner's maternal grandfather turned out to be Andre Roussimoff or something, jesus.
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A maid of 3 inches and 10 feet.
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It would be I mean, I don't think that will happen. Does anyone on the show think Brienne killed Renly? Nobody that cares, at least.
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There was this scene showed Loras blamed Stannis, but it was deleted, so maybe the writers decided they are going to throw her in jail.
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Narmi posted:There was this scene showed Loras blamed Stannis, but it was deleted, so maybe the writers decided they are going to throw her in jail.
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Yeah, they specifically added a scene of Loras saying he didn't think Brienne did it. I'm still hoping that idea of her replacing Ilyn as Jaime's sparring partner is right, because it sounds neat.
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Cloche posted:Yeah, they specifically added a scene of Loras saying he didn't think Brienne did it. I'm still hoping that idea of her replacing Ilyn as Jaime's sparring partner is right, because it sounds neat. That's the first time I've heard that theory. I wonder what they'd do with Pod if they went in that direction.
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He'll take over Littlefinger's brothels.
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timpanihilistic posted:That's the first time I've heard that theory. I wonder what they'd do with Pod if they went in that direction. Wouldn't they do the sparring this season to keep Brienne on the screen, then she and Pod can go on the run quite normally. No idea where that theory came from, but it's a nice one.
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The leaked callsheet for episode 402 showed a scene where Brienne meets Joffrey and Margaery, presumably during the purple wedding. I bet she won't be imprisoned and that her adventures on the road with Pod start in episode 4-5.
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I think I'm less patient with GRRM after I started reading the web-serial Worm. I like the story just as much as asoiaf except the author writes 20,000 words per week.
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Strom Cuzewon posted:Wouldn't they do the sparring this season to keep Brienne on the screen, then she and Pod can go on the run quite normally. No idea where that theory came from, but it's a nice one. It actually makes a lot of sense, since they've got a few episodes where they'll need something to do before Jaime can send her out, and since Ilyn's actor probably won't be able to reprise his role it might let them make use of some of the content. True, it lacks the same kind of dramatic punch as Jaime finally giving his full confession and Ilyn laughing a horrible, voiceless laugh, but it might also strengthen Jaime and Brienne's history before she heads off to wander the road. It's a drat shame they probably won't be able to get that stuff with Ilyn though, the guy playing him is basically perfect. It was definitely one of my favorite little things from the later books - a good use of a minor character and effective, believable development for Jaime. If only it was possible to film the scenes in advance, but I guess they don't know where they'll be exactly in a season or two exactly. Also it might be a bit morbid to call up an actor and say "Hey, just in case you die, you mind if we film some of your character's best scenes now? You know, as a backup?" Edit - I guess Wilko's always been a music man, so he's been spending his last days doing that and that's eminently fair and good. Ah well. Dolash fucked around with this message at 07:18 on Oct 5, 2013 |
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