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You know what would be a slick feature for those more action heavy sequences? The ability to air drop your recruits from Mother Base to fight alongside you. Put in permadeath for them in the more difficult difficulties. The PW mission where Heaven's Divide plays is one of my favorite moments in the series. Doing that with more chaos and PS4 power would be amazing. 
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Reive posted:So uh, anyone like the ps2 MGO? Because it's back! Neat! I never played the old MGO, but always felt like I missed out on something. Also, I didn't know Urban Ultimatum was a remake until watching that video.
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Oct 3, 2013 16:54
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Aren't early january release dates usually just placeholders when there is no actual announced release date?
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Oct 3, 2013 22:22
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Full Battle Rattle posted:Aren't early january release dates usually just placeholders when there is no actual announced release date? Any release date on the 1st or 2nd of any month is a placeholder.
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Oct 3, 2013 23:28
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Wikipedia Brown posted:Neat! I never played the old MGO, but always felt like I missed out on something. Also, I didn't know Urban Ultimatum was a remake until watching that video. It was ok although I felt it was the kind of game where it was more fun to mess around than to play it seriously. I felt that the auto aim ruined a lot of it's charm and the controls were way too messy. There were some godlike people in it that could headshot you really easily using first person view. But imagine trying to aim an assault rifle with the mgs3 controls in a online environment. That was one of the things that the MGS4 version of MGO was highly above the original.
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Oct 3, 2013 23:45
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I loved how even MGO had the little things that MGS is known for. Like how the characters would talk in their sleep if you tried to use the codec when they got knocked out.
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MGO was the first game that introduced me to online play. I still have really fond memories of playing MGO. While I am sure that MGO2's controls were far better than the 1st MGO, I don't think that that is going to be a problem. Just one more day till I can twirl Ocelots revolver.
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Sefal posted:Just one more day till I can twirl Ocelots revolver. Juvenile humour aside, I missed all online iterations of Metal Gear until co-op play for (HD Collection) Peace Walker. I tried local co-op play on the PSP when it first came out, but I was living in a rural area and it was too inconvenient to keep up. I'm really looking forward to MGSV's online play because they're clearly putting a lot of work into it. (Opening the LA branch of KojiPro) Does anyone have any insight as to what they've been up to? And when can we expect the next big release of MGSV information? PS: We've acknowledged the connection to Orwell's 1984, but I hope the series doesn't take a turn for the other-wordly: V (made in 1984)
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I think Kojima said that the only things he wouldn't put into the series was time travel and space, which probably includes aliens. Though technically Raiden went back in time in the Subsitance bonus movies, so maybe aliens are possible too 
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mortalwombat posted:PS: We've acknowledged the connection to Orwell's 1984, but I hope the series doesn't take a turn for the other-wordly: V (made in 1984) Well, this would explain why NASA formed a special forces unit that employed ninjas...
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Don Gato posted:I think Kojima said that the only things he wouldn't put into the series was time travel and space, which probably includes aliens. Ocelot being an alien would be the biggest cop-out ever. Alien technology would be the new nanomachines.
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Oct 5, 2013 13:20
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That loving Sned posted:Ocelot being an alien would be the biggest cop-out ever. Alien technology would be the new nanomachines. Kojima has been copping out on his stories for a while. I felt that the whole Paramedic, Sigint was pretty lazy.
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Oct 5, 2013 19:09
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Really, even Major Zero founding the Patriots felt like a cop-out. None of those character had an arc that felt natural to them becoming who they became. It would have been better if Kojima just said "gently caress it" and introduced new characters in 4 who were the patriots. Or if he stuck with the "Patriots are hundreds of years old" thing.
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I dunno, I thought Major Zero being the head of the Patriots was kinda cool, but executed horribly. Especially how it worked with Sigint, even Paramedic shows some interest in genetics in MGS3. It would've been better if in POOPS or Peace Walker we would meet these people and they would explain why they are doing this in their own words. I also kinda expected Ocelot to call Zero instead of some random director at the CIA for foreshadowing...
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That loving Sned posted:Ocelot being an alien would be the biggest cop-out ever. Alien technology would be the new nanomachines. Not just a cop out but utterly baffling considering Ocelot is the son of Boss/Sorrow. Kojima had the perfect loving explanation for Liquid Ocelot and he blew it. "Ocelot hypnotized himself" is the biggest cop out in the entire series bar none.
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Oct 5, 2013 19:54
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al-azad posted:Not just a cop out but utterly baffling considering Ocelot is the son of Boss/Sorrow. Kojima had the perfect loving explanation for Liquid Ocelot and he blew it. "Ocelot hypnotized himself" is the biggest cop out in the entire series bar none. I thought the punchline of "Ocelot tricked himself" was pretty good, though.
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nosebro posted:I thought the punchline of "Ocelot tricked himself" was pretty good, though. He rolled a natural 20 on a Bluff check and became convinced his own bluff was the truth.
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nosebro posted:I thought the punchline of "Ocelot tricked himself" was pretty good, though. It was hilariously ironic but I couldn't appreciate a lot of the better aspects of this game because, well, that's just MGS4. Detective No. 27 posted:You know what would be a slick feature for those more action heavy sequences? The ability to air drop your recruits from Mother Base to fight alongside you. Put in permadeath for them in the more difficult difficulties. The PW mission where Heaven's Divide plays is one of my favorite moments in the series. Doing that with more chaos and PS4 power would be amazing. I'm not an AssCreed fan but I really like how Revelations let you control assassins from afar. This would be a great feature to control.
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al-azad posted:It was hilariously ironic but I couldn't appreciate a lot of the better aspects of this game because, well, that's just MGS4. I forget how it worked but in Brotherhood your assassins were basically ninjas, it was awesome (and there was permadeath always). You'd just be walking by a place, put a hit on a random guy, and some cloaked assassin would immediately leap out of some random pile of hay and shank a dude, use smoke and got out of dodge.
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al-azad posted:Not just a cop out but utterly baffling considering Ocelot is the son of Boss/Sorrow. Kojima had the perfect loving explanation for Liquid Ocelot and he blew it. "Ocelot hypnotized himself" is the biggest cop out in the entire series bar none. I completely ignore that explanation. Nope, it was all a magic ghost arm. Nanomachines? What are those?
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I prefer to think that the characters struggle to figure out the surreal logic that governs their world and they end up offering multiple contradictory explanations. I mean what is ultimately the difference between summoning a spirit from your transplanted arm into your brain versus just convincing yourself you did?
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swamp waste posted:I prefer to think that the characters struggle to figure out the surreal logic that governs their world and they end up offering multiple contradictory explanations. I mean what is ultimately the difference between summoning a spirit from your transplanted arm into your brain versus just convincing yourself you did? The same difference between Jedi's being mystical wizards because it's fun and then learning it was intelligent germs all along. Some things are better left unexplained, let the audience fill in the details. Now that I think about it, MGS4 has a ton of connections to Lucas messing with the Star Wars universe.
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Wait, I thought the explanation for Liquid Ocelot was that he actually used Liquid's arm, and after the Big Shell incident he realized it was waaaay too much of a burden and would gently caress up his plans of double-crossing the Patriots, so he removed it and had it replaced with a robot arm and hypnotized himself so he could sell it convincingly that he's still on their side until the very end when it was too late for anything to get ruined. With the Sorrow appearing after you kill Screaming Mantis, the game was kind of saying "yeah, there are still ghosts, but sometimes nanomachines can simulate ghosts which will be important in a few minutes."
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MarsDragon posted:I completely ignore that explanation. Nope, it was all a magic ghost arm. Nanomachines? What are those? The proper reading of the series is that magical powers are real, but are suppressed by the Patriots because they want us to believe in nanomachines instead. Maybe this is why Snake's so skeptical of them in MGS4, since he's seen some pretty crazy poo poo before they were even invented. That syringe Snake uses to defeat Vamp? Holy water. Johnny's incontinence? It goes away after he removes his mask, so maybe it was infected. Hell, even Screaming Mantis turned out to be the actual loving ghost of an actual loving psychic, so they didn't completely explain everything away with nanomachines. E: What cobalt impurity said.
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al-azad posted:It was hilariously ironic but I couldn't appreciate a lot of the better aspects of this game because, well, that's just MGS4. I guess I forgot about that. Brotherhood totally had PW's Outer Ops and that was rad as hell. I'd love for MGS to steal a bit from AssCreed. Actual ninja mercenaries would even work in MGSV.
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It was pretty audacious for Kojima to base the resolution of the entire plot on some throwaway easter eggs in MGS3.
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I still think that the best explanation would have been Ocelot still having Liquid's ghost in his arm, but only manipulating Ghost Liquid into thinking he was actually in control, when it was Ocelot all along.
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Ghost Hand Reverse Hypnosis, I love it!
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cobalt impurity posted:Wait, I thought the explanation for Liquid Ocelot was that he actually used Liquid's arm, and after the Big Shell incident he realized it was waaaay too much of a burden and would gently caress up his plans of double-crossing the Patriots, so he removed it and had it replaced with a robot arm and hypnotized himself so he could sell it convincingly that he's still on their side until the very end when it was too late for anything to get ruined. I prefere this reading. We got all kinds of strange poo poo happening (Fortune actually being able to repel bullets, the ghost of a failed kosmonaut catching fire and screaming through the air, an old man living through photosynthesis, a shaman being able to control ravens and, I guess, a vampire who can cath people by their shadows. People are just trying to rationalize it. "Uh, well it is just a side effect of nanomachines/hypnosis/killer virus! This can't be happening in our rational world!" I really prefere that the short glimpse of Mantis in the first and last act shows that, yes, these mystical things still happen, underneath the techno bullshit of nanomachines.
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Nanomachines don't explain Snake's infinite ammo bandana, which he states is actually an actual item he owns, not a gameplay mechanic.
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That's explained by the fact that the entire universe is an elaborate simulation being experienced as fiction in order to hide The Patriot's true identity.
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I always thought a theme of MGS was that in the age of heroes the Boss and Big Boss are from, there was a lot more magic stuff happening, kind of like how in real life there's tons of crazy stories from WW2 of people performing crazy feats. Once we hit MGS2 and its theme of control, they're trying to replicate some of that and it's getting a little phony, and by MGS4 and it's almost lame with the B&B Corps.
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Can somebody explain to me what the hell Kaz meant in PW by going on and on about MSF being a new kind of business? Aren't they just mercenaries? Or does he mean that they are the first PMC ever invented? What's so revolutionary about that? Also are Kaz and MacDonald Miller from MGS1 the same person? Did his name change just because of  ?
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setafd posted:I always thought a theme of MGS was that in the age of heroes the Boss and Big Boss are from, there was a lot more magic stuff happening, kind of like how in real life there's tons of crazy stories from WW2 of people performing crazy feats. Once we hit MGS2 and its theme of control, they're trying to replicate some of that and it's getting a little phony, and by MGS4 and it's almost lame with the B&B Corps. With Vamp being the final remnant and a mix of magic and technology, and by the time of Rising magic is seemingly gone.
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ManOfTheYear posted:Can somebody explain to me what the hell Kaz meant in PW by going on and on about MSF being a new kind of business? Aren't they just mercenaries? Or does he mean that they are the first PMC ever invented? What's so revolutionary about that? He says they're an army without a country. Yes, it still isn't very different from being a PMC anyway. And yes, it's supposedly the same guy. We don't know what the deal with the namechange is yet. Could be one of the Millers is a fake, or(the far more likely scenario) Miller changes his name in MGS5 because he feels he doesn't deserve to be named "peace" anymore.
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RatHat posted:And yes, it's supposedly the same guy. We don't know what the deal with the namechange is yet. Could be one of the Millers is a fake, or(the far more likely scenario) Miller changes his name in MGS5 because he feels he doesn't deserve to be named "peace" anymore. That's such a kojima thing it must be true. Also I don't know if him choosing "MacDonald" out off all possible names makes it even worse. "I never found peace in my life. War was what I wanted and where I was headed, despite what it cost to me and my family. Being names "peace" was cruel irony. From now on I shall be.. .. MacDonald" 
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Not MacDonald, McDonnell. "Master" McDonell Benedict Miller.
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ManOfTheYear posted:Can somebody explain to me what the hell Kaz meant in PW by going on and on about MSF being a new kind of business? Aren't they just mercenaries? Or does he mean that they are the first PMC ever invented? What's so revolutionary about that? It's the basis for the entire concept of Outer Heaven. Soldiers can make their living fighting without being bound by political ideologies. Zero/Cipher/Patriots want to control the world using this new system, while Big Boss and Miller hope to find freedom with it. Big Boss' final monologue in MGS4 explains it pretty well. They created a new system (corporations) to get away from the previous one (nations) but then found themselves controlled by the new system. Peace Walker was the story of how the world of MGS4 was formed. ManOfTheYear posted:.. MacDonald" It's "McDonnell Benedict Miller". Likely in reference to McDonnell Douglas and Benedict Arnold. A manufacturer of war machines and a merchant/general/traitor. (Zero is even British)
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ManOfTheYear posted:Can somebody explain to me what the hell Kaz meant in PW by going on and on about MSF being a new kind of business? Aren't they just mercenaries? Or does he mean that they are the first PMC ever invented? What's so revolutionary about that? It's assumed that it's the same character until the...twist 
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