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Sindai posted:Serbia what are you doing over there? The same thing they are doing in Genoa! 42nd Rome, etc, etc, etc.
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Oct 8, 2013 04:56
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Africa. We've honestly never invested in Italy at all, so it makes little sense to muck around with, thematically. Which leaves the choice between Africa and Greece. Of that, I see the choice of Africa as obvious, partly because it's the easy way, but mostly because it's the less dumb way. A wise ruler should rule by peace, whenever possible, and it seems likely to me that with inheriting Egypt on the way, we're much more legitimately tied to Africa, which would make it the route of a wise leader.
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Oct 8, 2013 05:01
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They took 'remove kebab' a little too literally. Italy! I want to see what happens to the Latin Empire without our intervention. The idea of the legitimate Emperor being a prisoner of his incredibly powerful vassal is pretty interesting and I want to see where it goes.
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Oct 8, 2013 05:29
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I too think we should move on Northern Italy while the Holy Roman Empire is seemingly unready to fight for it. We will have Egypt one day anyway, and with it a position to build further holdings in Africa, and even in its fractured state as the Latin Empire I feel immediately going after the last remnants of Rome would potentially be biting off more than we can chew. Finishing our late father's northern campaigns will be a good show of strength for our vassals as well as allow the new king to build experience at rule and battle close to home. Plus, if we can create a unified Kingdom of Italy it will make our power base even stronger. On the note of Rome, I suggest we one day start considering making it kneel before us, be it through fabrication of a personal claim or raising an antipope and putting them in the Vatican. But it's just a thought for the future. Flesnolk fucked around with this message at 06:01 on Oct 8, 2013 |
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Oct 8, 2013 05:55
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Clearly, we need to move into Northern Italy. With the peninsula fully under our control, we'll be able to recreate the glories of old Rome! Who'll need some stupid Second Rome when we have a perfectly good First one?
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Oct 8, 2013 05:57
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If anyone has claim to being the First Rome, it's the Latin Empire, descendants of Eastern Rome. But I suppose that's being overly nitpicky when I've already cast my vote as part of the Curia Regis.
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Oct 8, 2013 06:01
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Africa because I couldn't bear to see us interfere with Serbia.
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Oct 8, 2013 06:20
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I toss my vote in for North. But try to mess with Serbia as little as possible, I want to see what they get up to.
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Oct 8, 2013 06:54
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Go North, young man!
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Oct 8, 2013 07:25
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North, Italy is ours for the taking!
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Oct 8, 2013 07:28
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North, since the Bocanegras are a blot upon the D'Hauteville sea.
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Oct 8, 2013 07:47
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I feel we must retake Constantinople! With Egypt's and Constantinople's wealth shall rise above even the great Alessandro,why should we fight wars of small conquest when we can take it all. We can live forever in glory! God wills it!
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Oct 8, 2013 08:14
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I feel we must retake Greece! With Egypt's and Constantinople's wealth shall rise above even the great Alessandro,why should we fight wars of small conquest when we can take it all. We can live forever in glory! God wills it!
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Oct 8, 2013 08:14
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All Hail Queen Caterina, unifier of Sicily! I was kinda worried there for a while (though we didn't have a CB for some reason), but she did it in the end. 
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Oct 8, 2013 08:18
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Africa seems to be the best course. And don't mess with Serbia.
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Oct 8, 2013 08:33
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Continue the path of the Neapolitans and take all of Italy before the German Emperor reasserts his claims.
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Oct 8, 2013 09:05
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Seems pretty clear for now... Italy: 15 Africa: 8 Latin Empire: 3 Italy is tempting, despite Roberto's zealousness and upbringing. But muslims bordering Hauteville Africa to the west has bothered me for a while and I'm concerned about the lack of progress of our incompetent cousins in Iberia. We best make sure there aren't any sharp polities lying around them. Readingaccount fucked around with this message at 09:25 on Oct 8, 2013 |
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Oct 8, 2013 09:15
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The important part in this is how we plan to secure our future, and the future of our Kingdom. With the wealth flowing through Alexandria it is by all means one of the most important places in the Mediterranean, but far from the only one. And our mission is to make sure that Palermo becomes the second. Take western Greece and seize the Adriatic Sea! Cut off the trade from those pesky Venetians and let the spice flow through Sicily! Lucrum te Vult! Profit wills it!
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Oct 8, 2013 09:20
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Tempting as northern Italy might be I feel our only concern in the north is seeing the HRE crumble rather than Sicily expand. I shall therefore cast my vote for Africa, however I need to ask that expansion of our righteous faith is directed not towards the Algiers but the Nubian territories.
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Oct 8, 2013 09:39
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Plus if we aren't quick against whomever we strike down (after a mandatory trip to Alexandria) the Pope might call a crusade, though I'm not sure... does he ever call Crusades against the Maghreb before Iberia is finished? Africa Readingaccount fucked around with this message at 20:59 on Oct 9, 2013 |
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Oct 8, 2013 09:48
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Another vote for Africa.
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Oct 8, 2013 11:31
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As near as I can tell, holy wars are called based on a few things. Part is where the Pope (often erroneously) believes Catholicism can actually win. It needs to be an area large enough to where you can take the majority of a Kingdom level title from the target. Catholic crusades seem to favor Jerusalem if it's an available target, and I've heard they like other places, too, but anecdotally, it seems like the Pope tries to call crusades for areas that are currently catholic, albeit not with catholic rulers. (This actually seems true of all holy wars. The AI seems to put liberating its own religion above other concerns. Again, I've only played like, 4 full campaigns, so it might just be coincidence). At any rate, I've seen the AI crusade for far flung places like Sweden, because somehow the Golden Horde gobbled it up.
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Oct 8, 2013 11:33
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Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. The last time a Sicilian tried to claim the Latin Empire, it resulted in three generations of chaos and Civil War, that ended with the devision of the Sicilian holdings and only now we see a certain normalization of the situation. Why would we want to repeat that? Same goes for Africa. The Sicilian adventures in the Holy Land and Northern Africa so far have always been in the service of God or family, never a quest for personal power. What is the point of overextending, just to bring foreign people within our borders? We might as well claim Spain. Italy on the other hand, is our destiny! There once was a Kingdom of Italy and now, with the legacy of Charlemagne fading, it is upon us to reestablish that kingdom, for the security, benefit and glory of all Italian provinces! Also, gently caress Serbia. If our endeavor succeeds in this regard, then we might look upon Africa, the Holy Land, the Latin Empire and even Spain, but not as mere Kings of Sicily, but as rulers of all of Italy and true heirs to the Roman Empire!
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Oct 8, 2013 15:37
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Unite Italy! Is there an empire tag for Italia? In that case unite the kingdoms of Sicily, Naples and Italy under an Empire with different D'Hautevilles, and then proceed to bring peace to all the quarreling branches of the family by subjugating them.(Or actually, by fermenting further wars by continuing to spread independent branches everywhere and see how they evolve.) Also, much more interesting to see how several of the situations will resolve themselves. The combined latin Empire/jerusalem, the Spanish branches, the African Normans who will probably intermarry with D'Hautevilles as they are Norman Royalty, and thus get dragged into all the family quarrels.
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Oct 8, 2013 15:40
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Go north!
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Oct 8, 2013 16:20
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I like how the Greek Orthodox remnants gathered together into the Aegean Islands then acquired the Kingdom of Epirus title to better their legitimacy and centralization only to move on to the Kingdom (?) of Hellas in a desperate attempt to rally their people against their Latin overlords from Sicily and Bulgaria.
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Oct 8, 2013 16:39
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Let Glorious Srbjia reign forever! The future of Sicily lies in Africa!
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Oct 8, 2013 16:52
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Italy for the Italians (with strong Sicilian overlords, of course.)
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Oct 8, 2013 17:20
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Civilized Fishbot posted:Egypt is already in the inheritance - the option is just to further expand our reach in North Africa. Unless you're voting to go to war with the King's mother.
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Oct 8, 2013 17:30
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Ugh. Stop voting for Italy. Why do you people want to destroy Serbia-Lombardy-Epirus? Vote for something else to keep the most interesting tag on the map together.
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Oct 8, 2013 17:57
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To Arabia and Beyond
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Oct 8, 2013 18:07
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Patter Song posted:Ugh. Stop voting for Italy. Why do you people want to destroy Serbia-Lombardy-Epirus? Vote for something else to keep the most interesting tag on the map together. Pretty Borders CB 
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Oct 8, 2013 18:50
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Is the Reconquista still stalled? If so, help out our Catalan cousins by taking some of the pressure off by crusading in Africa.
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Oct 8, 2013 19:06
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To Africa!
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Oct 9, 2013 01:59
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Patter Song posted:Ugh. Stop voting for Italy. Why do you people want to destroy Serbia-Lombardy-Epirus? Vote for something else to keep the most interesting tag on the map together. Gonna have to agree with Patter Song here. Much as I'm in favor of wrecking the HRE, to Africa! All hail Sicily! All hail Srbja!
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Oct 9, 2013 02:14
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Another vote for seizing Northern Italy! Unite all of italy, forget about Africa and the greek lands, who wants to spend all of their reign slapping away muslim invaders.
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Oct 9, 2013 03:44
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Why should we send Italians to die in Africa whilst their brothers are forced to stand against us in need of liberation? To Northern Italy!
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Oct 9, 2013 09:17
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Africa Leave Serbia alone.
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Oct 9, 2013 12:39
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Unify Italy
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Oct 9, 2013 12:48
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It's more important to control the Mediterranean than dicking with either Emperors. Once we control the
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