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I dunno, I *wanted* to like CK2 much more than I actually did. I feel like every recommendation should have a caveat that if you're not into grognard-type detail games, you may not enjoy CK2! I like reading about people's in-game escapades, but whenever I try and do something similar I end up getting bored after 20 minutes 
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CapnAndy posted:I've seen a screenshot of King Littlefinger of the Iron Throne, married to Queen Sansa. Someone's done it. It's very clearly possible (I think the easiest way is to declare independence, get enough independent kingdoms, and then usurp or recreate the title), but without heavy cheating it requires about a billion good breaks. Maybe I'll try again this week.
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jeffersonlives posted:The fun things to do are to play the nearly impossible scenarios. For example, I've tried a few times to get Littlefinger on the Iron Throne...one time I ended up with him as an independent King of the Trident and married to Queen Sansa of the North, but getting further than that presented challenges. Right but playing it out in CKII is no more satisfying for me than just imagining it. There's no story to go along with it. Its like reading the absolute dryest plot synopsis possible of asoiaf from an alternate universe.
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The CK2 mod really isn't grognardy - economics, diplomacy and combat are about as bottom-line-up-front as you will ever get in any game in the genre, once you understand the system. If you're just going into the mod cold, without even playing the game's tutorials yet, then nothing is going to make sense, but once you find out the general details of the game mechanics, you realize you can do just about anything you want. The first 'big' thing I did, after like one hour of total playing, was play as Gregor and team up with Varys to have Joffrey killed in an ambush on the road. Anything can be made to work, it just takes finding the right opening, not looking through encyclopedias.
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Is it wierd that I sometimes play the CK2 mod and just be a loyal bannerman and try to win as many tournies as possible and go hunting for valyrian swords and stuff?
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CapnAndy posted:I've seen a screenshot of King Littlefinger of the Iron Throne, married to Queen Sansa. Someone's done it.  The fanmade Baelish coat of arms is the greatest thing. That's just something I threw together quickly through the console, but it's pretty easy if you start the game with him as Lord Paramount of the Trident. It's a lot harder if you start out before that with just your one lovely province on the fingers though! e; CK2 definitely isn't for everyone, but I wouldn't call it Grognardy. Kainser fucked around with this message at 01:09 on Oct 15, 2013 |
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Oct 15, 2013 00:59
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Kainser posted:
Aw, I just love happy endings. 
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CapnAndy posted:Exactly that. He's not gathering an army though. He's a new lord with no pre-existing feudal structure beneath him. He needs a few soldiers around for the same reason that everyone else does, which is why he's made four old sellsword friends of his 'knights' because they aren't going to have class issues with him and will enjoy the gravy-train that is being a warrior-on-retainer. Cersai just hears 'he's gathering sellswords' and does her usual dumb thing you apparently haven't remembered to put on a POV filter for those bits of her chapters.
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Zythrst posted:Is it wierd that I sometimes play the CK2 mod and just be a loyal bannerman and try to win as many tournies as possible and go hunting for valyrian swords and stuff?
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Ballz posted:Aw, I just love happy endings.  61% Sansa's opinion of Littlefinger:  100%
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Oct 15, 2013 15:50
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CapnAndy posted:Exactly that. We don't need to have the conversation every couple of months, so I guess you don't need to either. The TV show is not the books and the books are not the TV show. They do not need to keep Bronn in some kind of special reserve so he can be King Bronn the First. They also don't need to turn him into a Kettleblack. There are valid reasons for both of them. They've literally already killed important people in the TV show. The avalanche has already started; it is too late for the pebbles to vote. George R. R. Martin is pebbles.
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Out of curiosity how many of the fan theories about ADWD ended up being true?
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TOOT BOOT posted:Out of curiosity how many of the fan theories about ADWD ended up being true? Off the top of my head, all of the following were predicted or suggested before ADWD came out: Qyburn is building a Frankenstein monster. "Aegon's" reappearance. Brienne survived. Davos wasn't really executed by Manderly. Melisandre is a fire zombie like Beric and Catelyn. Fake Arya is Jeyne Poole, trained by Littlefinger. Bloodraven is the Three Eyed Crow. (Amazingly, people somehow predicted) Rickon and Osha are on Skagos.
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In It For The Tank posted:Melisandre is a fire zombie like Beric and Catelyn. Wait what?
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In It For The Tank posted:
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That's not remotely true or suggested.
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Mortabis posted:Wait what? Compare: quote:Lord Beric himself did not eat. Arya had never seen him eat, though from time to time he took a cup of wine. He did not seem to sleep, either. His good eye would often close, as if from weariness, but when you spoke to him it would flick open again at once. quote:Melisandre had spent the night in her chair by the fire, as she often did. With Stannis gone, her bed saw little use. She had no time for sleep, with the weight of the world upon her shoulders. And she feared to dream. quote:Some nights she drowsed, but never for more than an hour. One day, Melisandre prayed, she would not sleep at all. One day she would be free of dreams. quote:“Does my lady wish to break her fast?” asked Devan. So like Beric, Melisandre doesn't need to eat and she barely needs sleep. She is sustained by the power of R'hllor. It's implied that she's much older than she looks and that she wears a glamour (powered by the ruby on her throat) that would hide her age and any distinguishing wounds like Beric and Catelyn have. Also, it's pretty much confirmed in the Season 2 DVD Commentaries. Listen to the Episode 10 commentary between Alan Taylor and Emilia Clarke. The following dialogue takes place when Melisandre rises after being strangled by Stannis: Alan: "Sorry, I've got to interrupt. The way she stands up here she's sort of doing this kind of... she's coming back to life. It was something she did on her own. It's this very strange kind of, like, we find out later that she's not... entirely... um..." Emilia: "Of course!" Alan: "You know what I probably shouldn't say any more." *laughs* Emilia: "Yeah, no, no, no, no, yeah." Alan: "But standing up strange like that, it makes sense given who she is." Emilia: "Yes, definitely, definitely." Alan: "A cool choice." Emilia: *sings the Twilight Zone title theme* e: Here's the scene where you can see Melisandre rising and seemingly "coming back to life". In It For The Tank fucked around with this message at 23:42 on Oct 15, 2013 |
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Oct 15, 2013 23:21
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There's a gap about a mile wide between "don't need to eat or sleep because you're a zombie" and "don't need to eat or sleep because you're a sorceress".
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Oct 15, 2013 23:23
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I did like one part in that novel about Winterfell: the bit where he suggested Mel was being used by her necklace the same way she was using Mance with the bracelet. It works because she's a moron.
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CapnAndy posted:There's a gap about a mile wide between "don't need to eat or sleep because you're a zombie" and "don't need to eat or sleep because you're a sorceress". I disagree. We've met several warlocks and sorcerers and what not throughout the series, yet I can't think of any other who displays the ability to sustain themselves just through magic. Even Moqorro, who is arguably more powerful than Melisandre, needs to rest all day after tending to his night fires.
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Wow, I didn't even think about the fact that there are audio commentaries on the DVDs. Those must be interesting.
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How did people guess Aegon's reappearance from SoS/AFFC? I don't recall any hints or foreshadowing of that off the top of my head.
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tin can made man posted:How did people guess Aegon's reappearance from SoS/AFFC? I don't recall any hints or foreshadowing of that off the top of my head. There wasn't any. When GRRM was asked if Rhaegar's kids were dead he switched sometime between AFFC and ADWD from "oh yeah both of them are totally dead" to "oh yeah his daughter is totally dead".
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tin can made man posted:How did people guess Aegon's reappearance from SoS/AFFC? I don't recall any hints or foreshadowing of that off the top of my head. GRRM always played coy when people asked him about the deaths of Rhaegar's children, going back to before the release of ASOS. http://www.westeros.org/Citadel/SSM/Entry/1106/ http://www.westeros.org/Citadel/SSM/Entry/1189/
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In It For The Tank posted:I disagree. We've met several warlocks and sorcerers and what not throughout the series, yet I can't think of any other who displays the ability to sustain themselves just through magic. Even Moqorro, who is arguably more powerful than Melisandre, needs to rest all day after tending to his night fires. We don't know that he needs to rest all day, just that does. He also survived at sea on the wrecked mast(?) for something like a week or two without anything to eat or drink.
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The Damphair can also go without sleep and with just sea water to sustain him. Bloodraven neither sleeps nor eats, admittedly due to being a hosed-up tree.
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With "just" sea water. The ocean is full of life, CapnAndy, as you well know. The Drowned God created plankton and algae from his blood, and brine shrimp from his flesh. On your knees, unbeliever. 
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Your Drowned God is a demon and I'll have no demon-worship in this house of the Seven
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CapnAndy posted:Your Drowned God is a demon and I'll have no demon-worship in this house of the Seven The sparrows are lying again. This is me making a King/Martin reference since King mentions Game of Thrones in Doctor Sleep.
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computer parts posted:There wasn't any. When GRRM was asked if Rhaegar's kids were dead he switched sometime between AFFC and ADWD from "oh yeah both of them are totally dead" to "oh yeah his daughter is totally dead". Which probably is just him loving with us all again because it's pretty clear Aegon is a Blackfyre.
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CapnAndy posted:The Damphair can also go without sleep and with just sea water to sustain him. It's weird that you don't even acknowledge this could make the Melisandre theory more likely, rather than less.
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I was just trying to figure out whether reading fan theories is a waste of time or not based on past accuracy.
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TOOT BOOT posted:I was just trying to figure out whether reading fan theories is a waste of time or not based on past accuracy. It is a waste of time regardless.
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jsoh posted:It is a waste of time regardless. Yeah in a way, since it's just a poor substitute for having the next book in hand.
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In It For The Tank posted:Melisandre is a fire zombie like Beric and Catelyn.  The more you know.
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So what you're saying is that she's not a 100% fanatic willing to drink poison just to test her god? Makes sense.
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If the Blackfyre theory turns out to be true (I hope it does) then I'm going to have to take back everything bad I've ever said about GRRM because the foreshadowing for that is so subtle you need to be a sperg king to put together all the pieces.
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I want to believe that Bronn is stage-by-stage living out the fable Varys tells about the sellsword in the room with the Rich man, the King and the Priest. He's sold himself to the rich man for gold, he's sold himself to the throne for power, the last thing he has to do is sell himself for something he believes in.
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DeepQantas posted:So what you're saying is that she's not a 100% fanatic willing to drink poison just to test her god? Imagine the  Stannis would make if her illusion was at some point broken and that he had indeed been boning a rotting 100-year-old corpse or something.
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