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Davethulhu posted:Stop being friends with illiterate idiots. Technically this is a friend of a friend! That's what happens when you make friends with people from South Carolina, all of a sudden you have the worst people posting things.
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Oct 15, 2013 20:59
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KRock posted:You might try pointing out that the last comment is also applicable to food stamp recipients (boosts demand + beneficial to the economy as a whole). It is better that way.
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Oct 15, 2013 21:15
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McDowell posted:Yeah just tell them their reply is incoherent. Pssh, go nuclear and tell them that Obama is also a right-wing war criminal.
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Oct 15, 2013 21:26
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McDowell posted:Yeah just tell them their reply is incoherent. "Who are you to deny Obama's right to constitutional???"
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Oct 15, 2013 23:19
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Ramadu posted:Technically this is a friend of a friend! That's what happens when you make friends with people from South Carolina, all of a sudden you have the worst people posting things. Tell them to go back where they came from, we speak English in America.
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Oct 15, 2013 23:34
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So this has popped up twice on my feed. The first time I think I got the guy to realize how the argument was wrong (Communisms!  ) but my smarter, stubborn, and closer friend posted it too. I'm posting it here to compare criticisms.http://poorrichardsnews.com/post/63737924453/video-dave-ramsey-lays-out-the-facts-of-obamacare-for The gist I used was that he starts off promising, but then veers off into tired and wrong cliches about what he thinks ACA is. Also that the mandate is what makes the math work: without the mandate, premiums go through the roof and insurance doesn't work for anybody; premiums shouldn't go up if you have a large enough pool of healthy people to spread risk around, and you shouldn't complain about being one of the healthy people unless you're certain you'll never be one of the sick ones (hint: you won't). Also stats about spending 18% of GDP on healthcare, 50% of bankruptcies due to medical costs, 2/3 of those were insured, yadda yadda yadda...
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Oct 15, 2013 23:56
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Some friend of mine posted a link to freepatriot about ACA and instead trying to debate with an idiot, I just unfriended her.
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Oct 16, 2013 00:30
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http://www.salon.com/2010/06/14/rand_2/ Rand Paul is not a board certified doctor....he's self certified 
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Oct 16, 2013 00:37
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CommieGIR posted:http://www.salon.com/2010/06/14/rand_2/ Ohhhhh nooooo....that's some serious poo poo right there. Was this common knowledge before?
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HipGnosis posted:Ohhhhh nooooo....that's some serious poo poo right there. Was this common knowledge before? Yes, insofar as any knowledge about Rand Paul is "common".
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Oct 16, 2013 01:30
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HipGnosis posted:Ohhhhh nooooo....that's some serious poo poo right there. Was this common knowledge before? I heard Rachel Maddow talking about this awhile ago, definitely before his filibuster press.
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Oct 16, 2013 01:57
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Aren't free-marketeers and libertarians against licensure? Something something "high barriers to entry", something something "why shouldn't we be able to choose a back-alley root canal?"
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Neptr posted:Aren't free-marketeers and libertarians against licensure? Something something "high barriers to entry", something something "why shouldn't we be able to choose a back-alley root canal?" The thing is board certification is actually a fairly free market idea already. The American Board of Ophthalmology is a non-governmental non-profit organization and the only thing you need to to become certified is pass a written and oral exam. Rand Paul had to complete medical school and residency to become a doctor already so he's not doing anything illegal. This just raises questions of his competency and ethics. If he can't become board certified by standard process that raises a big red flag as to his abilities of a doctor, but is otherwise unremarkable as he can still practice medicine. The fact that he created a National Board of Ophthalmology and claims he is certified by them is incredibly scummy and to be honest I'm not sure if there are any legal consequences to doing something like that.
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Oct 16, 2013 03:33
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So do youtube comments count for this topic as well? It feels kind of like a low hanging fruit. (And most youtube commenters are little more than low hanging furit)
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DarkHorse posted:So this has popped up twice on my feed. The first time I think I got the guy to realize how the argument was wrong (Communisms! My wife and I are currently in the middle of his finances class series. What makes me really sad is he actually has some pretty smart advice there (some of which can be turned against the shitheaded arguments he makes in that video).
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Oct 16, 2013 05:20
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Nth Doctor posted:My wife and I are currently in the middle of his finances class series. What makes me really sad is he actually has some pretty smart advice there (some of which can be turned against the shitheaded arguments he makes in that video). There is something about Obamacare that makes even some reasonable people lose their poo poo. I have no idea why, it might be the the intentional misinformation that's been put out or the generally complicated nature of the program. But even taking the time to explain it to them doesn't help. Also I'd like to throw my vote in for no YouTube comments, that's half a step above 4chan threads.
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Oct 16, 2013 05:43
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Shalebridge Cradle posted:The fact that he created a National Board of Ophthalmology and claims he is certified by them is incredibly scummy and to be honest I'm not sure if there are any legal consequences to doing something like that. It's a little scary if he actually practices. We don't know what his requirements are for continuing medical education above and beyond basic CME required for all physicians in his state, and he could be woefully behind the times.
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quote:I can't speak for God, but I know He probably isn't real pleased with thug and gangster culture. I mean, let's just be real honest here and say that is what comprised the majority of that crowd. Yes, there are plenty of white folks who are quite content to game the system. The thing is, we don't sit in huge groups and encourage one another to do it. Black people, on the other hand, tend to do that. See, us white people we tend to feel all guilty about noticing these things. We're usually the ones crying "racism!" and feeling all guilty. The thing is, many black people (particularly black men) will readily admit to this herd mentality phenomenon. I can't take this poo poo anymore 
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AShamefulDisplay posted:I can't take this poo poo anymore Chances are the guy who sent you that is literally a Stormfront member, or at least an open racist. I would sever if possible.
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Oct 16, 2013 21:44
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There's this in Rand Paul's wikipedia page: quote:Paul passed the certifying examination of the American Board of Ophthalmology in 1995, entitling him to describe himself for 10 years as a "board-certified" ophthalmologist. In 1992, the century-old American Board of Ophthalmology, which in 2010 listed 16,000 ophthalmologists on its rolls, had begun requiring physicians to recertify every 10 years; prior to that, no limits had been placed on duration of certification.[22] In 1997, in protest of the American Board of Ophthalmology's decision to grandfather in older ophthalmologists and not require them to periodically recertify in order to maintain their status as board-certified practitioners, Paul, along with 200 other ophthalmologists formed the National Board of Ophthalmology to offer an alternative ophthalmology certification system.[23] The National Board of Ophthalmology was incorporated in 1999, but Paul allowed it to be dissolved in 2000 after failing to file required paperwork with the Kentucky Secretary of State's office for the organization to continue to operate. Paul later recreated the board in September 2005, three months before his original 10-year certification from the American Board of Ophthalmology lapsed.[18] Since then, Paul has been certified by the National Board of Ophthalmology, with himself as the organization's president, his wife as vice-president, and his father-in-law as secretary.[22] 22: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/06/14/rand-pauls-doctor-credentials-questioned-lacking-boards-certification/ 23: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/right-now/2010/06/rand_paul_i_passed_my_opthamal.html 18: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/06/14/rand-pauls-doctor-credentials-questioned-lacking-boards-certification/
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AShamefulDisplay posted:I can't take this poo poo anymore Haha you know the conversation in the second paragraph never happened.
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Thanks for that illuminating diagram, Facebook friend Rand-loving officer in the US Army who also has a bachelor's degree in HISTORY. 
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Snowman Crossing posted:Thanks for that illuminating diagram, Facebook friend Rand-loving officer in the US Army who also has a bachelor's degree in HISTORY. I love the letter grades for Capitalism. The top class will have more points than they actually need, the middle class will just barely scrape by, and the lower class will completely fail and
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Facebook fuckery for one month, yo. An old high school friend of mine is on WIC and EBT; she posted up a meme on Facebook about how the food stolen from Walmarts in the EBT downage should be enough to feed those thieves for the rest of their lives, and they should be cut off from assistance forever now! We had a nice argument about it, me saying that Walmart approved the 'limitless spending' so it's on them, she saying the people were greedy thieves and Walmart had to foot the bill, boohoo! She later snapped, after I pointed out that Walmart approved the spending on the cards, and they have loving posters in their breakroom for employees on how to apply for state aid, that she didn't give a poo poo about Walmart. Back and forth about greed versus need, and I said that most people in that situation would have taken everything they could. You're on limited assistance, Walmart doesn't say to stop, and when they do, yeah people got pissed, but you can't blame them. gently caress, everyone takes extra when they can! She says no. And: quote:I must vehemently and wholeheartedly disagree with your statment however, that anyone would do what these people did. There is still a sense of morality out there, despite recent demonstrations. Those that might try and take advantage for the TRUE NEED of their family, and not greed, will be getting necessities. Enough to skate through. The people seen by the police chief leaving with ten loaded carts are just trying to snatch up whatever they can. Note: she doesn't factor in that her mom and her in-laws also are helping with bills, and have been for years. Without that help, without her work relocating her to work from home and not 40+ miles one way every day, she would still be on assistance. Or who knows, maybe I'm being a bitch and need to open my eyes to how the real world works.
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nyquil hangover posted:Haha you know the conversation in the second paragraph never happened. And if I call them out on it, they will get all bent out of shape by being called a liar and suddenly I am the badguy and not the loving racist shithead.
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Cowslips Warren posted:Facebook fuckery for one month, yo. So, her and her husband are willing to subject their kids to potentially more poverty in an effort to prove some kind of philosophical point out need vs just taking the god drat stuff offered to them specifically to try to lessen their poorness. 
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quote:If you'd like a specific example, here's one: Husband and I get WIC for the girls. "You chose to go on WELFARE because of YOUR poor life decisions??? Ever heard of PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY, you lazy piece of trash?! ONE day on WELFARE is a day TOO LONG when it comes to MY TAXES!!!" This approach never works but it's funny to watch people react to it. Call Me Charlie fucked around with this message at 01:46 on Oct 17, 2013 |
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Snowman Crossing posted:Thanks for that illuminating diagram, Facebook friend Rand-loving officer in the US Army who also has a bachelor's degree in HISTORY. Capitalism. The system where 1/3 or more of the people participating must completely fail at the system for it to work.
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Sardine Wit posted:Capitalism. The system where 1/3 or more of the people participating must completely fail at the system for it to work. The other thing that I love is that as the example uses grades, it implies that any grade received is the sole result of the talent and effort on the part of the individual. Now if you could fail a class just by getting a major illness, that would be interesting.
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Call Me Charlie posted:"You chose to go on WELFARE because of your poor life decisions??? Ever heard of PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY, you lazy piece of trash?! ONE day on WELFARE is a day TOO LONG when it comes to MY TAXES!!!" But you see, HER case is different! She isn't using welfare as a career! She, yes, she had an unplanned pregnancy that turned out to be twins and they had to come out at six or seven months because of her super high blood pressure that was going to kill her or them or all three but! But! But she totally only used Medicaid or Care to pay for all the natal care and the incubators and all the IVs and special care because she wasn't going to use welfare like every other lazy woman who has kids and gets paid by the state to make more! gently caress, whenever someone says a certain thing or way of thought rewards laziness, is it bad that all I can think of are fat cat CEOs debating if they want a month vacation in Tahiti or Hawaii? The last person I think of is someone on welfare.
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Cowslips Warren posted:But you see, HER case is different! She isn't using welfare as a career! She, yes, she had an unplanned pregnancy that turned out to be twins and they had to come out at six or seven months because of her super high blood pressure that was going to kill her or them or all three but! But! Twins? What, she couldn't wait to pop out another kid for an increased welfare check? 
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CarterUSM posted:Twins? What, she couldn't wait to pop out another kid for an increased welfare check? Well, you know, once they start breeding, these people are like roaches. I want to ask her why she didn't give back half of the welfare money, because seriously she needs to own up to her own mistakes and stop expecting me to pay for the fact she didn't use a loving condom! Welfare babies making babies and our hard earned tax dollars support them all!
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I'm guessing "Applying for Obamacare will get your identity stolen, according to John McAfee!" is the talking point du jour, because I'm suddenly seeing it all over my Facebook/email. Anybody else seeing this?
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CarterUSM posted:Now if you could fail a class just by getting a major illness, that would be interesting. Let me tell you about getting mono right before midterms...
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^^^ Guatemala PerniciousKnid posted:I'm guessing "Applying for Obamacare will get your identity stolen, according to John McAfee!" is the talking point du jour, because I'm suddenly seeing it all over my Facebook/email. Anybody else seeing this? This is making to rounds on the right wing media sites from a Fox News interview, I can't find it on any non-crazy sources. The site already adheres to the federal computer security standards set by the NIST. That hardly makes it hacker-proof, but no one is claiming the site has any specific vulnerabilities that don't exist for any other website. Also I hate to ad hominem the guy but you can't mention John McAfee without mentioning that he is still wanted in Belize for questioning in a murder at his house, and the bizarre series events that followed. http://www.vice.com/read/john-mcafee-bath-salts-belize-murder-fugitive-gregory-faull quote:Now, with the business he'd invented wrested from his control, McAfee was effectively retired at the age of 47. What was a man of drive and vision going to do with the rest of his life? That is one of like 7 articles on Vice about it.
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