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Bloody Hedgehog posted:It's a table based on The Big Luchinski, starring Mr. Dude, and his friends Denny and Walston Simtack. Shoot the side lane and defeat The Haysoos, hit all drop targets to enter Impregnator Mode with Midge, shoot the slingshots 3 times to search for Betsy Luchinski, and fire on the Skink Targets to rescue your carpet roll. Finally enter Wizard Mode and defeat the 4 Austrians who believe in everything! I think an Arrested Development themed table would be great. Nudge the table too hard and be warned with a stern "no touching!" See if you can "top that" by activating all three bonus rollovers above the bumpers. Perform skill shots to successfully deal with stair car hop-ons. Help G.O.B. turn a hundred dollars into a hundred pennies by triggering a multiball.
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MarxCarl posted:Jacks other announcement was that people should stop complaining about the low scoring on WOZ, because the movie is from the 30's so low scoring is acceptable. Low scores are OK when I'm playing a wood rail or EM, but for anything from the mid-80's on if I'm not scoring over 1.5 million I feel I had a terrible game. I don't understand this train of thought, really. My friend dislikes Attack from Mars because of the inflated scores, and I look at it and just figure it's part of the theme. Billions of points seems ridiculous, but it fits the game fine! And it all scales one way or another anyways.
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Ernie Muppari posted:I think an Arrested Development themed table would be great. Nudge the table too hard and be warned with a stern "no touching!" See if you can "top that" by activating all three bonus rollovers above the bumpers. Perform skill shots to successfully deal with stair car hop-ons. Help G.O.B. turn a hundred dollars into a hundred pennies by triggering a multiball. Also, a "BEES!" multiball. The possibilities are endless. I don't think it's popular enough to make a table, unfortunately.
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Oct 21, 2013 02:28
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I want a table with scores displayed in scientific or Knuth's Arrow notation. Something where a single slingshot's score is greater than the number of hadrons in the universe.
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Oct 21, 2013 02:50
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I'd rather see the scores of pinball machines massively deflate, so that getting 1 point from something is a common occurrence and you get really excited for a thousand points. Since scores are all relative to the machine anyway, there will be a lot less useless zeros cluttering the score.
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Oct 21, 2013 02:53
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roffels posted:I don't understand this train of thought, really. My friend dislikes Attack from Mars because of the inflated scores, and I look at it and just figure it's part of the theme. Billions of points seems ridiculous, but it fits the game fine! And it all scales one way or another anyways. I want to play a modern table with all the unused zeros on the end of scores taken off. Give me a spinner that ticks up in ones. Jackpot values that reach insane values like 500! But yeah, I agree with you. Some crazy games benefit from over-the-top scoring as a part of their theme. e: Just watched some WOZ gameplay and they are pretty much scoring like I wanted. Gromit fucked around with this message at 03:57 on Oct 21, 2013 |
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Oct 21, 2013 02:58
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All shots in X-Men and Avengers should only be worth 616 points. It's the "Super Comic Book Nerd Mode" and it kills all other modes every few years.
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Mike Reitmeyer posted this about the Pinball Arcade PC releasequote:Plan is this month, hopefully with the release of the next table pack. Fingers crossed.
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roffels posted:I don't understand this train of thought, really. My friend dislikes Attack from Mars because of the inflated scores, and I look at it and just figure it's part of the theme. Billions of points seems ridiculous, but it fits the game fine! And it all scales one way or another anyways. Weird conditioning I guess. I think it may also be down to not being up on the WOZ rules and the announcements that "scoring would be fixed at a later date so hang in there" and my notion that the scores at this point were just place holders until the rules were completed. Hence force, when I play WOZ, for every minute the ball is in play I will multiply my score by 10 to make me feel better. In other exciting pinball news, Ayn Rand fan boy and crazy pinball guy Python Angelo is looking to release Flipper Circus(an updated Pinball Circus), a non-pornographic version of Zingy Bingy, and Sharpshooter 2015.
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Oct 21, 2013 03:48
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Clouseau posted:Good lord - that's awful. Sounds like JJP is hard up for cash, they've already been hiking up the price on WOZ, it's now become a game of chicken to see which company will cross the 10k barrier. I think it's a race to see which company screws over a bunch of pre-orders first. A lot of projects out there right now, and it looks like a lot more in the pipeline that want a lot of money up front. Still not sure why JJP who should have plenty of equity needs to push pre-orders years in advance for games that are nothing more than a concept. I guess if you can find people to do it, it's fine, but I think it's a dangerous spot to be for a buyer. As for pricing, I think $8k is going to be a hard wall to break. Especially if we start seeing remakes make their way into the market. I do hope the more machines that flood the market, the lower prices will be on B and C titles.
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Spent a couple of hours at The Pinball Hall of Fame in Vegas today. Had a blast playing some really cool machines. It's too bad the Pinbot they have was so beat up though. I got a chance to play the JJP Wizard of Oz machine for a bit and it is every bit as beautiful as it looks in videos. Also managed to play Medieval Madness, The Lord of the Rings, AC/DC, Terminator 2, Goin Nuts, Junk Yard, and some others. I am going to have to head back over there for a weekend when I have some more time because it was the highlight of my trip to Vegas.
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MarxCarl posted:^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I'm guessing Bone Busters is their Ghostbusters knockoff (speaking of which, that would be a great theme)? Gottlieb had some interesting machines. Wonder if things would have gone differently for them if they had bought the actual rights to those titles at the time. I know someone bought the Raven one which was a Rambo knockoff. Then we got: Miami Vice  Metropolis  Top Gun  I'd love to play Genesis. Watched some videos on it and it looks cool as hell. Good sound, cool effects, and a nice toy in the middle. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzwwSZNZNaw
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Everything about them is late 80s trash at its trashiest. I love it. Gottlieb was no exception to the non-Williams pinball slump though. A lot of them are real bad.
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iRend posted:That new Darth Vader table is ridiculous. At one point I had 3 multiballs running, 4 or 5 hurryups going, and 4 balls on the table, scoring 3-6 million every time I hit one of the two main ramps. I can see scores of 4 or 5 billion coming off that one with no problems. Yep. Called it.  Woop!
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Just finished a great game of Fantastic Four on PFX2 but a bug really hobbled me in the scoring department towards the end. I was going for my third Galactus run and lost the ball when the Torch was coming back out of the wormhole. From here on the DMD showed nothing but the "Torch is leaving the wormhole" text (or whatever it says like that) and the kickback rollovers stayed randomly lit (but worked okay, you just couldn't tell what needed lighting.) My final mode to restart Galactus was the one where you have to power up your balls in the building and shoot them at Doom. Unfortunately the game would never register a hit on the Doom ramp (and would also not register super jackpots outside that mode.) Pretty pleased with the 1.7B score, but it was a slow slog and very annoying to not be able to complete the high scoring modes more than twice.
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 drat those are some crazy scores guys. My billion on Mars today is starting to look a little less special. Still very happy I finally got through pyramid though. Nice work people. e: Speaking of pinball scores and such I don't understand the argument much. I see a lot of people talking about numbers not being high enough in videogames too, and I guess there's just some perception thing going on. Even if the scores were roughly equal like in the hundreds to thousands max like it mostly was in the old days of pinball (or billions or whatever) you can't compare any table scores to any other table's scores anyway so I just don't see why the scale matters at all. Nurge fucked around with this message at 16:57 on Oct 21, 2013 |
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ponzicar posted:I'd rather see the scores of pinball machines massively deflate, so that getting 1 point from something is a common occurrence and you get really excited for a thousand points. Since scores are all relative to the machine anyway, there will be a lot less useless zeros cluttering the score. Welcome to the wonderful world of NBA Fastbreak where cracking three digits is good enough to get on the champion list of at least one of 30 different high score leaderboards. Just remember to scale back your NBA trivia to late nineties for the video modes and you're set.
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Authorman posted:Welcome to the wonderful world of NBA Fastbreak where cracking three digits is good enough to get on the champion list of at least one of 30 different high score leaderboards. I think that's one of the reason why I like that game so much. The design of the table makes you feel like you're playing basketball. You can't just spam one section of the table and hope to score points that way. Even though the licenses would probably be a pain, I'd love to see this game in Pinball Arcade.
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Nurge posted:e: Speaking of pinball scores and such I don't understand the argument much. I see a lot of people talking about numbers not being high enough in videogames too, and I guess there's just some perception thing going on. Even if the scores were roughly equal like in the hundreds to thousands max like it mostly was in the old days of pinball (or billions or whatever) you can't compare any table scores to any other table's scores anyway so I just don't see why the scale matters at all. Marketing. Comet was billed as the first pinball with a million-point shot. Bride of Pinbot had a billion-point shot. The theory was that higher scores = more player excitement.
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ReverendHammer posted:I think that's one of the reason why I like that game so much. The design of the table makes you feel like you're playing basketball. You can't just spam one section of the table and hope to score points that way. Yeah Fastbreak is pretty cool, I don't really care about the NBA but it's a great theme for a cool table. The sound design is wonderful.
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If people are that upset by the low scores in WOZ just have them tape this to the screen: 
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Lone Goat posted:If people are that upset by the low scores in WOZ just have them tape this to the screen: Those EM tables with 3 score reels and a thousands light.
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Nurge posted:
poo poo, a billion on Mars is some serious work. I thought I was done with that table for a while, too.
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Luigi Thirty posted:Everything about them is late 80s trash at its trashiest. I love it. Gottlieb was no exception to the non-Williams pinball slump though. A lot of them are real bad. Gottlieb designers had approx 6 months from design to production, Williams had 12 months or more. Your gonna get some trash at that rate. Hell, Trudeau did about 51 table designs for Gottlieb in his 9 year span there, and seems he was brought into Williams and put on projects that had about the same time frames, Bride Of Pinbot and Bugs Bunny, due to his reputation of turning out machines fast. Hopefully, that not why he's at Stern now. Genesis is a great game, lovely translight, but the game play is great. My biggest disappointment at the Pacific Pinball Museum was that they didn't have any 80's trashy Gottlieb's, that was a let down. Plenty of Wedgeheads, Woodrails, Williams 80's and 90's but no crappy translight Gottliebs. They did have a Data East RoboCop, so that made it a little better. For those interested, PAPA has started posting notes on games for their use in tournaments PAPA Game Notes. The entry for Dragon is great.
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Niwrad posted:I'm guessing Bone Busters is their Ghostbusters knockoff (speaking of which, that would be a great theme)? Gottlieb had some interesting machines. Wonder if things would have gone differently for them if they had bought the actual rights to those titles at the time. I know someone bought the Raven one which was a Rambo knockoff. Then we got: I remember when Hollywood Heat debuted and the normal crowd of pinheads I used to play along side or against were just going ape poo poo over it. I just didn't see it, sure I dropped a few bucks into it but my interest waned very quickly and always went back to the Pin*Bots and the Earthshakers and the Funhouses. I'm a Williams man through and through, though I did really like the System 80 pins Gottlieb released like Haunted House, Genie and Black Hole but those System 80B pins released under Premier I always felt were complete garbage.
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Luigi Thirty posted:Those EM tables with 3 score reels and a thousands light. Do you mean the ones that have a rollover light, or something else?
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Lone Goat posted:Do you mean the ones that have a rollover light, or something else? So if you rolled the score over twice in a game, somewhere on the backglass would have 2,ooo lit to be added to whatever numbers are on the 3 reel score for your final score. The backglass would have placements for 1,ooo... 2,ooo... 3,ooo etc. through 10,ooo somewhere meaning the best score you could show on that table would be 10,999 before the machine literally couldn't count any higher. Someone would have to manually count each score rollover beyond the tenth time. I suppose some machines would keep 10,ooo lit and then light up 1,ooo as well and continue along but if the game scoring is only going by 1s, 5s and 10s you'll be on that machine for a long time to get it to light up the 10,ooo place. Robnoxious fucked around with this message at 00:54 on Oct 22, 2013 |
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Niwrad posted:I'm guessing Bone Busters is their Ghostbusters knockoff (speaking of which, that would be a great theme)? Gottlieb had some interesting machines. Wonder if things would have gone differently for them if they had bought the actual rights to those titles at the time. I know someone bought the Raven one which was a Rambo knockoff. Then we got: Dorky's in Tacoma WA has a Genesis machine and I've never played it because it sits next to a Lord of the Rings.
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Genesis is one of my all-time favorite machines. The sound is up there with the best 80s pinball soundtracks and the gameplay is simple but incredibly fun and rewarding. It's definitely one of the machines I'd like to own in a dream world where I have the space for pinball in the first place. 
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MarxCarl posted:For those interested, PAPA has started posting notes on games for their use in tournaments PAPA Game Notes. The entry for Dragon is great. I like the one for Spectrum. Such a weird little table. 
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Lone Goat posted:If people are that upset by the low scores in WOZ just have them tape this to the screen: I accidently put this next to the ball counter and now I'm trapped in pinball hell.
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elf help book posted:I accidently put this next to the ball counter and now I'm trapped in pinball hell. A couple weeks back I was playing some Star Trek: TNG and the game glitched and kept giving me ball after ball every time I drained. It was funny at first but then it also got stuck on the Cardassian mode (but with only one ball) and got boring real quick. The real bummer about pinball hell is that it first appears to be pinball heaven.
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sethsez posted:Genesis is one of my all-time favorite machines. The sound is up there with the best 80s pinball soundtracks and the gameplay is simple but incredibly fun and rewarding. It's definitely one of the machines I'd like to own in a dream world where I have the space for pinball in the first place. I need to find one locally to play. Seems like all the places have popular 90's titles or new Sterns. While I'm not a big fan of the 80's style games as a whole, they had some crazy designs. I like the fan design as much as the rest, but I wouldn't mind seeing some different designs in newer games.
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Niwrad posted:While I'm not a big fan of the 80's style games as a whole, they had some crazy designs. I like the fan design as much as the rest, but I wouldn't mind seeing some different designs in newer games. I'm about there with you. The rulesets of those games aren't my favorite, but the designs and the weird sounds of the off brand Premier games are really intriguing to me. Also - in response to the post earlier about Trudeau, he might have turned out a lot of shaky designs under Gottlieb, but the man made a bunch of fascinating designs with WMS. Judge Dredd, Flintstones, Creature, and Congo are all pretty dang good machines, and all play pretty different. Bride of Pinbot doesn't have that bad a design, I was lucky enough to play the DMD'd Bride of Pinbot 2.0 at Expo, and they found ways to make that design work for a really satisfying and fun game. If those guys come to an expo near you, it's definitely worth checking out.
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Yeah, Trudeau might be the most innovative designer in the last few decades. I'm interested to see what he cooks up with Stern. I love Ritchie tables, but you aren't getting something dramatically different with them. Trudeau seems like he hasn't been given great themes to work with. If people are interested, his TOPCast was great and you can tell he's a real smart guy. http://www.pinrepair.com/topcast/past.php
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Niwrad posted:I need to find one locally to play. Seems like all the places have popular 90's titles or new Sterns. This is why I generally prefer 80s tables in general. The layouts are varied without occasionally descending into nonsense like a lot of the earlier EMs tended to, and unlike you I actually prefer the simpler rule sets. Then again, I'm one of those people who thinks that pinball is still, first and foremost, a game designed to be played casually in crowded public places, and as such complicated rule sets just detract from the immediate appeal of the form. I totally get why people enjoy more involved rules and it probably does make for a better game overall, but sometimes it feels like trying to add tons of goals, modes and progressions to skee-ball, ruining the basic appeal in the process. You can only do so much before it just becomes overstuffed and unapproachable, and it's definitely a tricky balancing act.
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Niwrad posted:Stern is supposed to have a big announcement tomorrow. Lot of people think it's going to be a Walking Dead machine based on the comic. What did this end up being or is it the Lebowski table? I'd like a multiball where it's just John Goodman screaming about sodomy and every single possible target is a jackpot.
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Dark_Swordmaster posted:What did this end up being or is it the Lebowski table? I'd like a multiball where it's just John Goodman screaming about sodomy and every single possible target is a jackpot. I would be all over a Big Lewbowski table.
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A proper Big Lebowski table would have to be predominantly bowling-alley themed.
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insidius posted:I would be all over a Big Lewbowski table. Well someone posted a link to a teaser for what is obviously one so you're in luck in about 5 years.
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