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NadaTooma
Aug 24, 2004

The good thing is that everyone around you has more critical failures in combat, the bad thing is - so do you!
It's too late to ask for this by now, but I wish they had named the pilot "Day 1: Days Gone Bye", and followed that convention for the rest of the series.

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moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



When I saw the burned bodies, I initially thought that they'd dragged themselves outside and self-immolated to prevent another inside the fence attack.

I'm glad Ty was like "who did this?!" because that's a pretty unlikely scenario. Unfortunately my money is on the combat medic since he's the only character (other than Carol) who has been deceitful this season.

OldSenileGuy
Mar 13, 2001

clammy posted:

I hope future 'pisodes are as good as last night's 'pisode.

What the hell is this crap

Don't do this.

Fister Ardennes
Apr 25, 2008

War is not the answer but it sure is fun
Can we have funny thread titles again? Instead of threatening ones.

rypakal
Oct 31, 2012

He also cooks the food of his people

moths posted:

When I saw the burned bodies, I initially thought that they'd dragged themselves outside and self-immolated to prevent another inside the fence attack.

I'm glad Ty was like "who did this?!" because that's a pretty unlikely scenario. Unfortunately my money is on the combat medic since he's the only character (other than Carol) who has been deceitful this season.

You know, Ty saying "who did this" doesn't necessarily rule out that possibility. I find it incredibly unlikely, mostly because they would have screamed their loving heads off and run around if they weren't already dead or unconscious when set on fire.

I think the combat medic is the most likely choice, which is why I think it's probably not him. I think maybe there's something to Rick using the gas can in a previous scene, but I also don't see how Rick does that, even if they are already dead. Like I said before, legitimately interesting mysteries where they aren't just laying on obviousness and giving you several possible options.

X-O
Apr 28, 2002

Long Live The King!

E.Nigma posted:

Can we have funny thread titles again? Instead of threatening ones.

Maybe when we go on at least a two episode stretch without people posting like idiots.

PootieTang
Aug 2, 2011

by XyloJW

Deadpool posted:

Maybe when we go on at least a two episode stretch without people posting like idiots.

Hey now let's not get TOO crazy...

kanonvandekempen
Mar 14, 2009

rypakal posted:

You know, Ty saying "who did this" doesn't necessarily rule out that possibility. I find it incredibly unlikely, mostly because they would have screamed their loving heads off and run around if they weren't already dead or unconscious when set on fire.

I think the combat medic is the most likely choice, which is why I think it's probably not him. I think maybe there's something to Rick using the gas can in a previous scene, but I also don't see how Rick does that, even if they are already dead. Like I said before, legitimately interesting mysteries where they aren't just laying on obviousness and giving you several possible options.

The blood marks on the floor looked like they were dragged out of there, not stepped/stumbled.

I think this season so far is the best the show has been, I really hope they can keep this up.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

kanonvandekempen posted:

The blood marks on the floor looked like they were dragged out of there, not stepped/stumbled.

I think this season so far is the best the show has been, I really hope they can keep this up.

Yeah looks like something ambushed them, dragged the bodies into the courtyard and then burned the bodies.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



There was blood on the pillow, which made me think their eyes had popped before they dragged themselves out.

But again, that was just my weird initial reading on the scene, I'll be very surprised if it turns out to be a mercy suicide.

shadow puppet of a
Jan 10, 2007

NO TENGO SCORPIO


Little girl with the knife did it. Came up all innocent with a handful of posies, then slashed a throat and got lil' sis to help with the dragging. Its Carol's knife-sensei hubris arisen to bite her in the rear end.

Bulky Bartokomous
Nov 3, 2006

In Mypos, only the strong survive.

E.Nigma posted:

Can we have funny thread titles again? Instead of threatening ones.

TWD: 0 days since last hate posting incident

VDay
Jul 2, 2003

I'm Pacman Jones!

moths posted:

There was blood on the pillow, which made me think their eyes had popped before they dragged themselves out.

But again, that was just my weird initial reading on the scene, I'll be very surprised if it turns out to be a mercy suicide.

Yeah while watching the scene I thought that Tyreese's girlfriend realized that she was dying/turning and dragged herself out before setting herself on fire, but the fact that there were two bodies and that they were just peacefully lying there kind of eliminates that chance and makes it obvious that someone killed and dragged them.

Bulky Bartokomous
Nov 3, 2006

In Mypos, only the strong survive.

Deadly Mongoose posted:

Why didn't Carl get his silencer back too? That's just reckless Rick.

I feel like a lot of the first two episodes is telegraphed and we are waiting for the main arc to start in episode six after they decide to leave the prison.

Silencers wear out, homemade ones even faster I'd imagine.

SocketWrench
Jul 8, 2012

by Fritz the Horse

Blazing Ownager posted:

I know he didn't flip out there. I'm saying that would have made INFINITELY more sense if he had.

In otherwords:

Scenario A (What happened in the show):

- Gov Attacks
- A-Team Violence begins (Everyone purposely missing everyone)
- People freak out and run away with exactly one casualty, thanks to Carl
- People refuse to go back in a big open road spread out
- Gov manages to one handedly kill everybody and goes "Welp!" and wanders off, with his guards not doing anything about him going insane
- Our four heroes set off to assault an entire town to their knowledge, leaving behind several key fighters.
- They find the massacre.

Scenario B (What I was talking about)

- Gov Attacks
- When the Woodsbury people make it out of the tombs they lose a couple getting gunned down by Glenn & Maggie
- They begin refusing to leave the Tombs, which are infested with zombies behind them
- The Gov can't make them move out, and is getting overrun from behind, so says gently caress it and blasts them all, in a close quarter hallway
- The Gov and his guards run the hell off, Rick's group finds the lone survivor and realizes what happens
- Our four heroes set off what they now know to be just three people.

My whole point was moving his freak out to "while under fire in the battle scene" would have been a thousand times more logical than just having him kill his entire armed army single handed in a calm open road. It would have made his retreat make far more sense and generally fixed the whole thing, in my opinion. They could have played the scene almost identically, but by moving the events, it clears up the vast majority of plot holes and silliness caused by the order they did it in. (Yes, I count Rick & three buddies assaulting what they thought was 30+ people that they just went out of their way not to kill, just scare, with no knowledge at all of what happened on the road as a gaping, massive plot hole.)

What we got felt like a bunch of tourists got ran through a haunted house, scared a bit, and then immediately started pulling a Monty Python esque RUN AWAY, RUN AWAY! I don't know, I think it'd been far more dramatic on top of more logical if he had just killed them when they refused to listen to the attack orders, instead of the way he did. It'd even given them more reason to trust the Woodsbury people, given they just watched so many get gunned down by their enemy.

Yeah, it could have gone that way, maybe. But still wouldn't make any more sense than out in the field.
Of course them running simply wasn't the straw that broke, it was their refusal to listen to his dictatorship, not running from the prison. When the people, as a group stood up against him, that's why he broke.
Killing them all in the field is no more realistic than somehow shooting them all in dark hallways in a prison.
His guards, of course won't do crap because they're loyal cowards that just found out he managed to kill Merle, the supposed badass of all of them.

SocketWrench fucked around with this message at 20:02 on Oct 22, 2013

TOOT BOOT
May 25, 2010

moths posted:

There was blood on the pillow, which made me think their eyes had popped before they dragged themselves out.

But again, that was just my weird initial reading on the scene, I'll be very surprised if it turns out to be a mercy suicide.

That's one thing the show is pretty poor at, getting information like that across. I never have this problem with any other show but watching this one I always end up interpreting events in a way the writers did not intend. I know I'm not the only one because frequently come up with the same wrong interpretation in this thread or on Talking Dead.

Grin and Tonic
Oct 20, 2008

having a blast online
I was really gonna pack it in after Season 3, even rewatching the entire thing on Netflix didn't help as much as rewatching Season 2 did. Glad I stuck around though, this season has been pretty great so far.

hollylolly
Jun 5, 2009

Do you like superheroes? Check out my CYOA Mutants: Uprising

How about weird historical fiction? Try Vampires of the Caribbean

I think the scene was purposefully set up to make you think she'd gotten sick and died, bleeding from the eyes, but once Tyrese got into the hallway the sheer quantity of blood was too much. And the drag marks. It was fairly obvious the two cough-ers had been killed in their cells and dragged out and burned.

Dr. Abysmal
Feb 17, 2010

We're all doomed

rypakal posted:

I think the combat medic is the most likely choice, which is why I think it's probably not him. I think maybe there's something to Rick using the gas can in a previous scene, but I also don't see how Rick does that, even if they are already dead. Like I said before, legitimately interesting mysteries where they aren't just laying on obviousness and giving you several possible options.

This is probably the conclusion that characters on the show might make, one of the previews did show Tyreese punching Rick. However I'd be a little surprised if any of the important/long tenured characters were responsible. If you narrow that down to people who would know about the sickness that leaves Bob, the other doctor (the children called him Dr. S and he's appeared on screen for like 2 minutes), and Sasha. I'm not sure if Sasha would murder her brother's girlfriend so signs are pointing to mysterious stranger Bob.

Blazing Ownager
Jun 2, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

Dr. Abysmal posted:

This is probably the conclusion that characters on the show might make, one of the previews did show Tyreese punching Rick. However I'd be a little surprised if any of the important/long tenured characters were responsible. If you narrow that down to people who would know about the sickness that leaves Bob, the other doctor (the children called him Dr. S and he's appeared on screen for like 2 minutes), and Sasha. I'm not sure if Sasha would murder her brother's girlfriend so signs are pointing to mysterious stranger Bob.

I don't understand why people see a guy who's only crime so far was jonesing for a drink, then ultimately doing the right thing and putting it back (even if it did lead to somebody getting killed, that was an accident) and constantly use this as justification to his "shifty behavior" that indicates he's probably some kind of secret villain.

The fact he has alcoholic tendencies? That might come up again.

Urdnot Fire
Feb 13, 2012

Blazing Ownager posted:

I don't understand why people see a guy who's only crime so far was jonesing for a drink, then ultimately doing the right thing and putting it back (even if it did lead to somebody getting killed, that was an accident) and constantly use this as justification to his "shifty behavior" that indicates he's probably some kind of secret villain.
They just know he doesn't do well in prison.

Alkabob
May 31, 2011
I would like to speak to the manager about the socialists, please

Blazing Ownager posted:

I don't understand why people see a guy who's only crime so far was jonesing for a drink, then ultimately doing the right thing and putting it back (even if it did lead to somebody getting killed, that was an accident) and constantly use this as justification to his "shifty behavior" that indicates he's probably some kind of secret villain.

The fact he has alcoholic tendencies? That might come up again.

Well his lying about is a bit more telling about his character. Also during the "parachuting in of the 101st Zombie Airborne" he was more focused on his own preservation than what was happening to the group. Like instead of just calling out the group and giving a few weak tugs to get free he could have spent that extra energy on solving his own dilemma. This is reinforced by the fact that when he is finally pulled loose he doesn't bother to make sure the last person freeing him is also safe. Considering that he was a "combat medic" and would be familiar with the dynamics of working as a unit and making sure everyone got home alive. Finally we have Daryl finding this guy alone. He is a basket case and he wouldn't have made it this far into the zombie apocalypse without relying on some other group. Some other group that didn't make it because he either abandoned them or went straight crazy on them.

Though it could be far simpler than that. After what happened in the convenience store and his own personal demons eating away at him he could feel compelled to "protect" the group. So he starts offing people who he deems dangerous to the group out guilt and self hate that transposes on others.

But hey someone said it could be Carol and that would be a lot of fun to see her dive off into the deep end of being a total survival nut and Daryl having to put down his mother figure.

EvilTobaccoExec
Dec 22, 2003

Criminals are a superstitious, cowardly lot, so my disguise must be able to strike terror into their hearts!

Urdnot Fire posted:

They just know he doesn't do well in prison.

Michonne almost died making a comic run just so she could teach him the difference between Spider-Man and Ultimate Spider-Man

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



Blazing Ownager posted:

I don't understand why people see a guy who's only crime so far was jonesing for a drink, then ultimately doing the right thing and putting it back (even if it did lead to somebody getting killed, that was an accident) and constantly use this as justification to his "shifty behavior" that indicates he's probably some kind of secret villain.

It's just that they've portrayed him as less-than-honest. Which is typically a tell that he's a distrustful character - but after last episodes' red herring Q&A about the airport statues I wonder if they're playing on expectations of predictable writing. The other indicator is that he was introduced as a new character and not immediately killed.

TOOT BOOT
May 25, 2010

My wife said EW talked about his character in the article and he's going to be significant and quite possibly some kind of antagonist in the group.

Calico Noose
Jun 26, 2010
D'angelo is secretly The Governor in black-face who's been sneaking out to feed rats in order to attract walkers to the fence!

... What? It's about as plausible as some of the poo poo people have suggested in this thread.

PootieTang
Aug 2, 2011

by XyloJW
BOLD PREDICTION:

D'angelo isn't a combat medic. He's a Veterinarian.

a cock shaped fruit
Aug 23, 2010



The true enemy of humanity is disorder.

TOOT BOOT posted:

My wife said EW talked about his character in the article and he's going to be significant and quite possibly some kind of antagonist in the group.

I don't know all the actors/characters by their initials, mind elaborating on E.W?

I am also Australian, so I am not entirely familiar with that v v

a cock shaped fruit fucked around with this message at 03:44 on Oct 23, 2013

6EQUJ5 6 7
Sep 1, 2012

I'd do the same as you.
Entertainment Weekly?

Dr. Abysmal
Feb 17, 2010

We're all doomed

Blazing Ownager posted:

I don't understand why people see a guy who's only crime so far was jonesing for a drink, then ultimately doing the right thing and putting it back (even if it did lead to somebody getting killed, that was an accident) and constantly use this as justification to his "shifty behavior" that indicates he's probably some kind of secret villain.

The fact he has alcoholic tendencies? That might come up again.

Sorry man but if there's a new guy on the show who isn't unceremoniously killed within a few episodes, especially when setting up a "troubled past" angle, I gotta suspect he's gonna be up to some poo poo. They didn't have Sasha be suspicious of him for nothing. Maybe he will be set up as the obvious answer and then it's actually somebody else but for now I'm sticking with my prediction that he did it.

TOOT BOOT
May 25, 2010

Perfidus posted:

Entertainment Weekly?

Yeah, Entertainment Weekly, talking about D'Angelo in a cover feature.

a cock shaped fruit
Aug 23, 2010



The true enemy of humanity is disorder.

TOOT BOOT posted:

Yeah, Entertainment Weekly, talking about D'Angelo in a cover feature.

Thanks, I was scouring over an IMDB article of every character ever seeking 'E.W' initials. :(

Buzkashi
Feb 4, 2003
College Slice
I'm leaning towards it being the little girl feeding the zombies in a misguided attempt at "humanitarianism", because just the act of walking outside with a flashlight would be sufficient to draw zombie attention and put pressure on a specific area of the fence. The rat would be superfluous if that were the goal.

SocketWrench
Jul 8, 2012

by Fritz the Horse

Dr. Abysmal posted:

This is probably the conclusion that characters on the show might make, one of the previews did show Tyreese punching Rick. However I'd be a little surprised if any of the important/long tenured characters were responsible. If you narrow that down to people who would know about the sickness that leaves Bob, the other doctor (the children called him Dr. S and he's appeared on screen for like 2 minutes), and Sasha. I'm not sure if Sasha would murder her brother's girlfriend so signs are pointing to mysterious stranger Bob.

Rick wouldn't be able to do this. It's not in his character to regardless of his standing as a main character.
I'm thinkin' it's the boozer, myself

inignot
Sep 1, 2003

WWBCD?
Didn't the promo for next week show them both sitting together in the back seat of a car?

frosteh
Apr 30, 2009
The entertainment value of this thread has plummeted since the no-bitching policy.

back to lurking

Buddington
Feb 20, 2010

frosteh posted:

The entertainment value of this thread has plummeted since the no-bitching policy.

back to lurking

If you really miss it, just write up a quick little program that prints out "stuff, things, think about it" ad infinitum. Comedy gold, to be sure.

13stitches
Mar 13, 2012

You were born free, you got fucked out of half of it and you wave a flag celebrating it.

frosteh posted:

The entertainment value of this thread has plummeted since the no-bitching policy.

back to lurking

Well, maybe with Aatrek now being permabanned we can loosen up this regulation a bit, who knows?

That DICK!
Sep 28, 2010

The Walking Dead: From the Ashes of the Kiddydiddler

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various cheeses
Jan 24, 2013

I'd imagine bitching is fine as long as you make it funny. No one wants to hear multiple lines of "blaghlahghahgaugaulagh this show sucks" unless you actually get clever with it.

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