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Seraphroy posted:I think this show sucks. Everything about it sucks. Nothing but teleporting zombies, scowling Michonne, and not enough Carl shooting humans in the face! It's just that this season jumped in quality. So, instead of the show balancing on the edge of being a fun hate-posting thread like Dexter and Heroes and a thread of people who actually like the show fighting - it's not mostly good with much less arguing. The worst of these threads are normally shows that started good and get mediocre because that point of quality normally splits the crowd a lot. When shows are really good or really bad the threads are -normally- pretty good.
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I must say, I've been expecting Carol to kick the bucket at any time and have as bad a death as T-Dog, but holy poo poo, 
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Oct 28, 2013 17:20
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After rewatching TD last night I've come to the conclusion that Manson was trolling the show/Hardwick by assuming the role of 'drug-addled' rock star.
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Oct 28, 2013 17:24
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ohnoitschris posted:I must say, I've been expecting Carol to kick the bucket at any time and have as bad a death as T-Dog, but holy poo poo, Wow...I completely forgot about T-Dog. I'm sure I share that thought with about 80% of the other viewers.
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Oct 28, 2013 17:42
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No More Heroes posted:After rewatching TD last night I've come to the conclusion that Manson was trolling the show/Hardwick by assuming the role of 'drug-addled' rock star. You guys are ruining my immersion with the constant TD chat. (Only partly kidding. Maybe make a different thread for the show already)
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Oct 28, 2013 17:50
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Fog Tripper posted:You guys are ruining my immersion with the constant TD chat. 
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Oct 28, 2013 18:07
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foxatee posted:There isn't really confusion about the Hershel/Carl scene in the woods, right? The last time Hershel was in the woods with Carl, little sheriff got all trigger happy (debatable?), and Hershel became seriously concerned with Carl's psychological being. That ended with Carl's gun being taken away. This scene was just to address the same issue. Carl has his gun back, but is he the same kid as he was a few months back? His willingness to listen to Hershel and show restraint helped to show not only us, but Hershel that Carl has changed. It might not be pointless, but I think they can show us without having to spell it out in a super thinly veiled metaphor. For example, Rick trying to bury his violence and breaking from leadership but then literally digging it back up, with a shovel, you know -- out of the ground. His dream of peace literally burns down with his pig coup. A lot of times when the writers want to get a point across, they have a character stop and stare at something or have a seemingly uncalled for mini emotional breakdown. I get that they are commonly used literary devices, but this show is packing them in left and right. I'm sure someone is going to be literally "caught red handed" and literally "let the (zombie) cat out of the bag" in the next episode. Maybe an opening shot will be a beautiful flower, followed by a smash cut to a character who will get sick. Then later, the same sequence happens except the flower is wilted! That said, this season is actually surprisingly good. Instead of spending any time on newer characters, old ones are being seen in a much more interesting light. Baldbeard fucked around with this message at 18:13 on Oct 28, 2013 |
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Oct 28, 2013 18:11
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Jack Osbourne turned out ok. Even he was weirded out by Manson. I thought they lengthened the show to a full hour last year?
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Oct 28, 2013 18:12
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Well, how else was he supposed to get his gun back?  And that pig sty had to burn either way. But you're right. They like trying to be *~~*artistic*~~*
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Oct 28, 2013 18:14
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I'd rather they use symbolism that makes sense instead of previous seasons' dissociated visuals and themes. They're laying it on thick, but there's at least something to it.
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Oct 28, 2013 18:27
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Hey remember that time in the comics when Tyreese had that badass moment in the barn where you were like holy poo poo! That was insane Yeah, they brush that off. This season has just been like the others, pretty lovely but good filler while doing chores or practicing instruments. Glad to see The Wire alums getting some work. Love those guys
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Oct 28, 2013 18:48
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ChristianDB posted:Hey remember that time in the comics when Tyreese had that badass moment in the barn where you were like holy poo poo! That was insane The barn you say.
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The Steak Justice posted:Oh poo poo this better mean Abe is showing up soon. ChristianDB posted:Hey remember that time in the comics when Tyreese had that badass moment in the barn where you were like holy poo poo! That was insane I'm not complaining since it's been pretty harmless so far, but didn't the last season have a no comic talk rule in effect? I mean, it was pretty obvious that Tyreese was gonna survive that, but I didn't need it immediately confirmed by comic folk. If this season is the closest the show's come to being 100% faithful to the comics as a previous poster said, it'd be nice if a rule similar to the Game of Thrones thread was implemented.
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Oct 28, 2013 18:53
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The show has diverged far enough from the comics at this point that they're completely different things.
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Oct 28, 2013 19:07
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Darko posted:It's just that this season jumped in quality. Yeah that's pretty much it. The last two episodes have been almost as good as the best from the last two seasons.
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Oct 28, 2013 19:22
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That DICK! posted:
I agree that the comic book chat (and for god sake can we shut up about TD already?) can be omitted, but part of the reason the GoT threads are so bad is because of the sperging about verboten book chat.
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Oct 28, 2013 20:05
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This season could be nothing but the people in the prison riding around on tricycles during a mean meth bender and it would still be miles ahead of other seasons simply because Andrea is no longer part of the show
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Oct 28, 2013 20:14
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Fog Tripper posted:I agree that the comic book chat (and for god sake can we shut up about TD already?) can be omitted, but part of the reason the GoT threads are so bad is because of the sperging about verboten book chat. There was like one post about the Talking Dead between the time you last bitched about it and this post, calm down man. I think the only reason you're seeing more TD chat than normal was because the awkwardness between Manson and Hardwick actually made the show notable for once. Even people at work were asking me if I saw Marilyn Manson acting weird yesterday.
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Oct 28, 2013 20:46
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Oct 28, 2013 21:05
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Fog Tripper posted:I agree that the comic book chat (and for god sake can we shut up about TD already?) It relates directly to the show, lots of people seem to be enjoying it, and it's not just the usual bullshit complaining/sperging/missing obvious things. Maybe stop being a giant baby about it and just ignore it?
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Oct 28, 2013 21:10
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Here's a major accolade for the season so far: I now go into every episode legitimately unsure who could bite it at any time. When those zombies were creeping on Carol while she was fixing the pipe, I figured it was entirely possible that she would be bitten. I figured Tyreese was a goner when he was completely surrounded by the car last night (and I'm not so sure he's not going to be concealing a bite next week, although he seems like he'd be a pretty stand-up fella if that went down  )The biggest victory of the season so far imo has been really throwing a wet blanket on the "aw shucks it sure is tough out here startin' civulizayshun over from scratch" poo poo that pervaded the show every time they stopped moving. That was the problem with the second season at the farm: they spent too much time on interpersonal drama, which is swell on Grey's Anatomy because uhh the hospital isn't surrounded by flesh-eating abominations. This season, the personal conflicts are still there, but the drama and urgency of, y'know, getting fuckin eaten alive isn't taking a back seat anymore to whether or not Lori should tell Rick about her feelings for another man. Who gives a poo poo? You're in a living hell, focus, people! All the pressures - low water, no medicine, fences failing, disease, etc - are the primary, with the dramallama poo poo riding shotgun, as opposed to the other way around. Other than Rick and Dale, I don't necessarily expect anyone to make it from one episode to the next. I could see Glen going down, I could certainly see Herschel going down. Does anyone put it past the show to have Carl go down? I don't, not really. I could see Glen getting better only to see Maggie lost, and him angsting hard over not being there for her or whatever. When you've generally established that other than your main, everyone is generally eligible for dismissal without warning, you're doing something right. The good news, too, as far as I'm concerned: they've successfully established this undercurrent of desperation and futility ("there aren't that many of us left..."), more strongly than anytime in the last two seasons, and you know that fence is going down. And they'll be on the road again, low on food and water, no idea where they're going, dwindling numbers. And if I'm a writer, I love that, because it's the perfect opportunity to introduce new cast members in folks they meet on the road, which makes pretty much everybody else expendable. I'm really pleased with how this season is developing. And I wouldn't be stunned to find the Governor helping them at some point, bails them out of some jam and seems to be reformed (like someone said earlier, helping senior citizens or some such poo poo). Then you've got the whole question of whether or not he can be trusted lol no, no he can't, at all, are you high. I feel like they've set the table for a good run of solid episodes, all the ingredients are there. Also I love the throwaway stuff like the bear-trap zombie, the camper Rick met last week. There's no meaning there necessarily, no foreshadowing. It's just poo poo going on outside during the zombie apocalypse, man. Not everything means something. poo poo just happens sometimes. Those little vignettes totally work for me, not least because you pay close attention to them, looking for some hint or symbolism, but nah. Fog Tripper posted:You guys are ruining my immersion with the constant TD chat. rivetz fucked around with this message at 21:26 on Oct 28, 2013 |
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I've just watched the first two episodes of this season. Holy poo poo, a.) this show got a lot better and b.) it's soulcrushing as gently caress.
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The show suffers somewhat from having its first episode be, by far, its best episode, casting a long shadow of everything that came after it. Other than that, though, these first three are some of the best they've done and a hell of a start to the new season. Highly entertaining, and I'm actually curious where they're going with some of the plotlines.rivetz posted:This season, the personal conflicts are still there, but the drama and urgency of, y'know, getting fuckin eaten alive isn't taking a back seat anymore to whether or not Lori should tell Rick about her feelings for another man. Who gives a poo poo? You're in a living hell, focus, people! All the pressures - low water, no medicine, fences failing, disease, etc - are the primary, with the dramallama poo poo riding shotgun, as opposed to the other way around. The interpersonal drama is also more closely tied to the situation. Drama on the farm was women briefly leaving the kitchen to squabble about infidelity. Drama this season is people arguing over how to respond to a lethal illness exacerbated by the zombie problem.
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rivetz posted:Other than Rick and Dale, I don't necessarily expect anyone to make it from one episode to the next. I've got some bad news for you, man.
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Oct 28, 2013 22:08
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Stop talking about comics in here. There's a spoiler thread for that. Don't stop talking about Talking Dead in here. There will be no thread for that and any chat about it stays in here. Spoiler rules still apply though regarding the clips.
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Sir Kodiak posted:The show suffers somewhat from having its first episode be, by far, its best episode, casting a long shadow of everything that came after it. Just did a whole show rewatch: The first season and first episode aren't really great, hth.
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I can see Hershel dying as a cosmic trade off for the life of Glenn. See this "flu" is running around like its a supped up version of SARS and poor coincidentally Asian Glenn was in the crosswalk of life minding his own business when the out of control viral Ford F150 Super Duty ran him down. As much as Herschel is going in that ward to treat the sick, Glenn is in there and he doesn't want to see Maggie become a young widow. So now you have the "healer and father in law to good for this cruel earth" administering to the sick and saving his son in law. We all know that one way or another the universe of the Walking Dead will demand a blood sacrifice for the safe return of Glenn. Now if this show was super dark both Glenn and Herschel die. Silver lining for Maggie is the now more sensitive but brutal Darryl. Maggie also gets preggers because what happened? That's right Darryl happened. Seriously though I'm scarred for Glenn and Herschel.
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No More Heroes posted:I also just recalled where I've seen skinny alcoholic veteran black guy- he was the kicker in The Water Boy Holy poo poo, D'Angelo Barksdale was in The Waterboy. I can't believe I never noticed it.
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rivetz posted:I could see Glen going down, I could certainly see Herschel going down. Does anyone put it past the show to have Carl go down? I don't, not really. I could see Maggie going down.  rivetz posted:What is this poo poo about a show related to [x] in a thread about [x]?!? My immersion, my precious immersion I was kidding. However seeing repeated bitch posts about Chris Hardwick and Marilyn Manson being wasted and the Osborn kid being freaked out is kind of stupid after a while. My most  moment of last episode was Hershel offering to show them where the vet school was, and Fog Tripper fucked around with this message at 23:36 on Oct 28, 2013 |
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Mexcillent posted:Just did a whole show rewatch: I have to disagree here, I rewatched the first episode a while back, and it was still amazing (hell, it was the only really good episode this series had until last season's gun run episode). The rest of the season, though? Not nearly as good.
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Daryl. Dale died in season 2. Though I admit its hilarious imagining Dale and Daryl as the same person.
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You kinda have to wonder what the show would have been like if Dale and Shane's actors hadn't made the decision to leave the show. I'm not sure Shane would have lasted too long regardless but things would probably have gone differently with Dale still around.
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Deadpool posted:Maybe it's just because last night's episode was a really good one, but I think you may be turning a corner Walking Dead thread. If we can rehabilitate this thread there may be hope for Game of Thrones yet. If you think this has a happy ending, you haven't been paying attention.
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fariz posted:you haven't been paying attention.  TOOT BOOT posted:You kinda have to wonder what the show would have been like if Dale and Shane's actors hadn't made the decision to leave the show. I'm not sure Shane would have lasted too long regardless but things would probably have gone differently with Dale still around.
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TOOT BOOT posted:You kinda have to wonder what the show would have been like if Dale and Shane's actors hadn't made the decision to leave the show. I'm not sure Shane would have lasted too long regardless but things would probably have gone differently with Dale still around. For that matter, what if Frank Darabont was running it still? And AMC didn't shop up the season 2 budget? If we start with the what ifs, it's a long process and the show would probably be unrecognizable compared to how it is now.
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I'm not really thrilled with this character turn for Carol...it seems way out of character to me. I guess they foreshadowed it earlier with teaching the kids to kill with knives, and the scene with the kids and their zombie father. It's also kind of a disappointment that they solved that mystery within one episode. I still like what they're doing with the character writing, it's miles ahead of where the show has been with most of its major characters since the beginning. Michonne is actually a decent character now that competent writers get to write for her.
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verybad posted:I have to disagree here, I rewatched the first episode a while back, and it was still amazing (hell, it was the only really good episode this series had until last season's gun run episode). The rest of the season, though? Not nearly as good. Yeah I thought it was a pretty solid pilot setting up the premise, awesome creature effects/on-location shooting and got me interested in punishing myself with the rest of the season.
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FlamingLiberal posted:I'm not really thrilled with this character turn for Carol...it seems way out of character to me. That's precisely why I liked it. I figured it would be one of the Woodbury redshirts. Carol being the one that did it creates real problems.
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