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Drifter posted:Oh god yes, the nerd rage over having Green Arrow be a metahuman/supersoldier!!!! I don't think that will happen, specifically because everyone in the show so far is normal human, just good at things. If you start getting into superhuman, that's a whole different can of worms. Even if there's Lazarus Pit business, that still isn't really any different than normal human.
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Everyone keeps mentioning the Lazarus pits. Wikipedia is telling me the basics. The pits seem kind of not what this show is going for. They aren't technically superpowers, but they just seem a little too fantastical to be on this show. They seem more plot devicey and out there than a lot of superpowers too. Also, resurrecting characters on TV is mostly in the realm of soap operas. I just don't really see Arrow going that direction. Maybe the pits are a bigger deal in the comics/other media than I'm giving them credit for, but I just don't really see the jump from Ra's al Ghul mention to there will be Lazarus pits in this mostly realistic TV show. This is more of a general post talking about the entire thread rather than a response to the last page. I've been seeing a lot of pit stuff and I don't really get it.
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Nov 3, 2013 00:22
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Lazarus Pit & Ra's al Ghul have gone hand in hand since his original appearance so it's just natural to assume its existence. No, it doesn't mean the subject will be broached but the implication that a character was 'resurrected' pretty much means we have to salivate at the possibility of its existence until the explanation is handed to us.
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The Lazarus pits pretty much the magic retcon machine of the DC world. Character loses powers, or dies... Lazarus Pit. Few hours in a warm bath and presto. Black Canary is brought back from the brink of death in a LP, and gets her cry back, which she had lost prior, Robin Jason Todd is brought back after he's killed by the Joker, minus a few screws and becomes Red Hood
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Nov 3, 2013 00:45
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We also know that superpowered people will be introduced this season with the Flash.
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packsmack posted:Also, resurrecting characters on TV is mostly in the realm of soap operas. Not to be too mean, but what are you talking about this show has soap pouring out of its pores.
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hi liter posted:Not to be too mean, but what are you talking about this show has soap pouring out of its pores. It is also based off a comic book character and the only characters that have died and remained dead is Uncle Ben.
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it's nailing the balance between soap, action and fantasy... Hope Nightwing makes an appearance.. no powers, just a badass.bobkatt013 posted:It is also based off a comic book character and the only characters that have died and remained dead is Uncle Ben. And Mr & Mrs Wayne.
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Rocksicles posted:Nightwing I would literally squeal if this were to happen. I had my hopes up last season when they had poo poo going down in Bludhaven which is where Nightwing (who is Dick Grayson the first Robin for the non-comic folks) is based out of.
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yeah when they mentioned Bludhaven i think my heart skipped a beat
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Nov 3, 2013 01:09
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Has anyone in the show ever questioned what the tattoos Ollie has mean, when/were he got them, or why he has them? I know he can just lie about what they mean, the Russian tattoo, but having it never mentioned is annoying me unless I'm mistaken and they have.
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Digital Jedi posted:Has anyone in the show ever questioned what the tattoos Ollie has mean, when/were he got them, or why he has them? I know he can just lie about what they mean, the Russian tattoo, but having it never mentioned is annoying me unless I'm mistaken and they have. They said in an interview that the tattoos haven't gone unnoticed and will be explained later.
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Nov 3, 2013 02:08
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Re-watching season 1, the episodes dealing with Laurel's mother popping up to deal with the lost daughter fake out feel like filler and stupid now that she's actually turned up and as a different actress. Oh well. Everything else has still mostly held up quite well.
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Ingram posted:Re-watching season 1, the episodes dealing with Laurel's mother popping up to deal with the lost daughter fake out feel like filler and stupid now that she's actually turned up and as a different actress. Oh well. Why is it stupid? It was just some bad luck to see a girl that she thought 'could've' looked like her daughter on a bad day. It wasn't bad filler, it gave that family room to grow (apart) together. And it showed Laurel has some dope rear end detective skills. And just think how badly Laurel'll feel when she learns that her sister WAS alive after all this time. She murdered her boyfriend, she gave up on her sister and actively worked to disprove her aliveliness...dang, girl, you gonna have some emotional problems
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packsmack posted:Also, resurrecting characters on TV is mostly in the realm of soap operas. I just don't really see Arrow going that direction.
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Also this show is practically a soap opera. In an awesome way but still.
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BrianWilly posted:This show literally just had Sara return from the dead. I am pretty sure she didn't actually die on the boat when she got swept overboard, and so there is a chance that her second death was similar, in that she was just presumed dead.
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Really, for all intents and purposes it's the same thing. The show told us point blank that the character was dead. They had a multi-episode arc devoted to proving that she was forreal gone and that anyone thinking she's alive is wrong. And now she's alive again, after casting a different actress in the role. I think the revelation was done well, but it's still a critical mass soapy soap opera revelation.
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I came at the "sara is alive" twist from a very different direction. If they had just shown her getting sucked down a whirlpool like in the pilot and that was it, the reveal would have felt cheap. But the entire point of Laurel's mother coming back was to place the seed that Sara was still alive. I walked away from those episodes going "they're laying track to bring her back if they want." Its not the most elegant of foreshadowing, but it felt like they were playing fair. And I think Lazarus pits could work, if they tone them down. I've ALWAYS hated the idea that in the entire DC universe, its Batman who has a villain that literally has a "I can bring back anyone from the dead whenever I want" card. If they amplified strength or even slowed down aging, I could see it slotting nicely into Arrow's world.
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The only time this show has cheated death was when they introduced that sleeper move. Choking someone out until they appear dead, and then hitting them to wake them up. The other times with Deadshot and Sarah didn't actually show a dead body. Deadshot got hit in the eye and then his body disappeared, and Sarah was just shown being lost at sea.
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Nov 3, 2013 09:42
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Malcom's ideals in dealing with the glades is League of Shadows 101. At least Batman Begins Ra's levels. I wonder if we'll see Malcom return in the flashbacks at some point.
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From a few pages backJohnSherman posted:Well, at least now we know for sure that the "we have the island plot mapped out for five seasons" claims were bullshit. I'm not sure this is true. Up until the boat, island-Oliver is a slightly battle-worn but happy guy with a girlfriend and a grouchy but good-natured older brother, which is a far cry from the scraggly, shell-shocked loner who was rescued 5 years later. There would have to be at least some idea of what happened in the interim.
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I am not ok with the lack of Slade in my life. I really want to see how Slade become's Ollie's enemy. Spoilered for comic/other media things.
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Something no one seems to have hit yet (unless I'm bad at reading posts) is that the photo used in the Sarah is Alive!(?) arc and her 'keeping her head down' look in the hospital? Same getup. Or at least I remember the hat distinctly. I need to go rewatch those episodes, but I don't think it's as much of an rear end-pull as you guys are billing it to be. Or it might be a total rear end pull and they have that small little thread to justify it. Ingram posted:Malcom's ideals in dealing with the glades is League of Shadows 101. At least Batman Begins Ra's levels. I wonder if we'll see Malcom return in the flashbacks at some point. This is pretty much League of Assassins SOP in every media I've read. Merlyn's almost certainly trained by the LoA, and I expect we'll see plenty more LoA supervillains in the future, seeing as we know that Black Canary is a ("former") member. It's one of the reasons I really want Lazarus pits (or some WWII superscience knock-off version) to be a thing. I'd love to see Barrowman do present Merlyn again. Hell, him coming back even more crazy after Ra's dips him in the drink and being obsessed with dunking Tommy and his wife in the pits would be something I'd like to see Barrowman sell.
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I thought Sarah was still alive from the moment in the pilot where she washed away. That death screams fake out and always did.
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I'm honestly struggling to comprehend how anyone, let alone a genre savvy goon, could have seen those first few episodes and not just assumed she'd be revealed to be alive at some point.
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The Lord Bude posted:I'm honestly struggling to comprehend how anyone, let alone a genre savvy goon, could have seen those first few episodes and not just assumed she'd be revealed to be alive at some point. It was like, a time ago dude.
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Also, it might be rare, but sometimes, people do in fact die for good, and assuming that every single apparent death (including some cases you see on-screen) is fake can get tiring. Oliver, his father and another guy made it to a life raft. The open ocean is notorious for not having a lot of places to hide on top of it.
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Stabbey_the_Clown posted:Also, it might be rare, but sometimes, people do in fact die for good Not in comic books. People used to say "No death is permanent except for Uncle Ben, Jason Todd and Bucky." 2 of those are alive.
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I just caught up with the show today. Man alive, the last season ended well. The show is pretty dumb at times, and the storyline has a lot of accidentally horrible implications (Justice is not applicable to family members and DUIs should go unpunished!), but it's fun and the overall narrative arcs are a lot more thrilling and satisfying than anything else on TV. I hope they make good use of Sara Lance and don't just repeat the Huntress plot here. (I guess she already stopped herself killing that one dude) Also learned that I should really be careful of mousing over spoilers in this thread! The Lord Bude posted:I'm honestly struggling to comprehend how anyone, let alone a genre savvy goon, could have seen those first few episodes and not just assumed she'd be revealed to be alive at some point. 
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I am actually genuinely curious what happens to Sarah in the five years now though. I mean, she was washed out to sea, but Ollie doesn't see her until what, almost half a year or a year later when she's apparently going to torture him on the Amazo? And something happens with the ship because it's pretty clear it gets blown in half from the premiere. Where Sarah went from there (and to get to joining the LoA anyways) and what happened to Ollie and crew is pretty interesting now.
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VagueRant posted:I just caught up with the show today. Man alive, the last season ended well. The show is pretty dumb at times, and the storyline has a lot of accidentally horrible implications (Justice is not applicable to family members and DUIs should go unpunished!), but it's fun and the overall narrative arcs are a lot more thrilling and satisfying than anything else on TV. And in Chuck's defense, it was really more a show about goofy spy adventures and romances than serious plot drama. Though it did love trying plot drama.
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How long has Oliver been on the Island at this point and back in the City? I am unclear on how long he's been on the island at this point in the series. Has it been a couple of months ? A year? How long has he been back?
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Soylentbits posted:And in Chuck's defense, it was really more a show about goofy spy adventures and romances than serious plot drama. Though it did love trying plot drama. The biggest thing in defence of Chuck was that the writers constantly got screwed over by the threat of cancellation. I imagine it's difficult to write a cohesive overarching plotline when the threat of cancellation means you have to write 5 different episodes that could serve as the conclusion of the show.
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They were pretty clear on it last episode. Oliver had been on the island about 1 year before the boat showed up with Sarah. They made mention of spending 5 months stuck there after Feyes died. It's been about a year since Oliver returned from his 5-year shipwreck adventure.
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It's likely that each season will be about a year on and off the island. I believe they want to keep it contemporary.
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Just caught up with this. I never got into Smallville and was really skeptical about Arrow being good, but the scene in the pilot where Oliver give the warmest greeting to their house keeper put all concerns to rest that showed the people behind the show liked the character and knew the character. Its real been good show all round, also makes good use of the source materiel where comic fans get enough nods but non readers don't have to dig through Wikipedia articles.hi liter posted:I would literally squeal if this were to happen. I had my hopes up last season when they had poo poo going down in Bludhaven which is where Nightwing (who is Dick Grayson the first Robin for the non-comic folks) is based out of. Not after Slade turned into a toxic wasteland. side_burned fucked around with this message at 01:27 on Nov 5, 2013 |
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I'm pretty sure they've said that the Island storyline is happening in tandem with the main plot, always exactly five years beforehand, so the Island plot is meant to end in Season 5 with Ollie getting rescued.
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Shakugan posted:The biggest thing in defence of Chuck was that the writers constantly got screwed over by the threat of cancellation. I imagine it's difficult to write a cohesive overarching plotline when the threat of cancellation means you have to write 5 different episodes that could serve as the conclusion of the show. Chuck's writers almost all left for other shows by the end of the third season, the second season crew pretty much all got replaced. Off the top of my head they went to V, Flashforward and a couple other sci-fi TV shows.
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JohnSherman posted:Well, at least now we know for sure that the "we have the island plot mapped out for five seasons" claims were bullshit. What about this episode makes you think those claims were bullshit?
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