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SpiderHyphenMan posted:Eagerly awaiting the Breaking Bad spinoff where a 23 year old Holly has to search a neo-nazi compound for the other seven barrels so she can pay off her student loans. It'll be a beautiful sci-fi thriller. "H-h-holly! Watch out for the the t-t-he robots possessed by Neo-Nazi g-g-g-ghosts!"
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:Eagerly awaiting the Breaking Bad spinoff where a 23 year old Holly has to search a neo-nazi compound for the other seven barrels so she can pay off her student loans. That's actually...not a bad idea for a movie. I would watch it.
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:Eagerly awaiting the Breaking Bad spinoff where a 23 year old Holly has to search a neo-nazi compound for the other seven barrels so she can pay off her student loans. But in the intervining years the old compound has been tore down, and in it's place they built... A police station! And so begins our wacky story of breaking INTO a police station! Which means Holly needs help from Mike's granddaughter!
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I just watched the scene where Walt got his Lily of the Valley -idea: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8XvgLW2HEA There's a kind of weird divinity in the Breaking Bad-universe (the rear end in a top hat kind, most likely). There's a few scenes like this littered around the series: Skyler's coinflip, the carkeys in the finale, the whole planecrash thing, and it just never really got discussed while the show was on. I don't know what to make of it, really, but I thought it was kind of neat.
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I really need to watch the entire thing over again, if only to hear all the great music again. I shotgunned it in two weeks, I need more time.
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WampaLord posted:The whole point is he wouldn't need as much money because they have awesome health insurance that would cover the cost of his treatment. Without those expenses, Walt and family could have lived very well on the (I'm guessing) solid high 5-figure salary that kind of position is worth. Even with sending 2 kids to college. e: I guess in a few cases you can just point to one thing, like the cousins and "revenge", but you see my point 
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Redundant posted:I know this has already been pointed out but that isn't right. At that point in time Walt turning down the job offer was still justifiable to me as the actions of a man trying to take care of his family financially, whatever the personal cost. The pride aspect is just one facet of why he turned it down and doesn't tell the entire story. Part of the reason I rate BB so highly is because each character feels fleshed out, the reasoning behind their decisions never feels like you can point to one thing and say "it's this, this is why they did what they did". I can sometimes be a bit stubborn but I enjoy talking about BB so much because of those "oh yeah, I'd never really thought of that" moments when someone suggests a bit of character motivation that fits. Breaking Bad walked the line between leaving stuff to talk about and debate, and also firmly concluding it's major plot lines without ambiguity. Most AAA shows I've seen tend to fall into the former; most 22 episode TV crap falls into the latter. It's rare to see a good balance hit. It leaves questions, it hints at answers for the minor and delivers them all for the major points.
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Kritzkrieg Kop posted:She's not the president, but do police get involved in these message board threats? Or is this so common on the internet that nothing really happens Yes actually, they often do, and there has been several cases of this happening I can think of in just the last year. Redundant posted:This man speaks true facts. The Shield is incredible and I think it has a better ending than BB. You know, I loved the shield early on and then I had to move, didn't get FX for a while, and lost out on watching it entirely. I think this thread has sold me on a rewatch, to get to the finale. I don't even know what season I left off in, I think 3. Blazing Ownager fucked around with this message at 00:59 on Nov 9, 2013 |
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Pheeets posted:State colleges can run to 45k a year with room and board, not to mention transportation and other expenses. Ivy League schools run upwards of $100k a year. That's true about state colleges (Ivy Leagues they'll usually give you a scholarship if you aren't rich though) but it sounded like the money was being put into a fund, so it should keep value at fairly high interest (~5% annually or so at least).
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computer parts posted:That's true about state colleges (Ivy Leagues they'll usually give you a scholarship if you aren't rich though) but it sounded like the money was being put into a fund, so it should keep value at fairly high interest (~5% annually or so at least). Which is awesome, because Walt Jr will turn 18 in a little less than a year, which means that at 5% (a modest rate) the money will have grown by nearly $450,000. A staggering number that kind of goes to show just how rich, rich people are. Boon fucked around with this message at 01:42 on Nov 9, 2013 |
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Blazing Ownager posted:You know, I loved the shield early on and then I had to move, didn't get FX for a while, and lost out on watching it entirely. I think this thread has sold me on a rewatch, to get to the finale. I don't even know what season I left off in, I think 3. Season 3 was in my opinion, the weakest only because it's longer than all the other seasons and it's right before the shift from stand-alone plots with a myth-arc based around them, to the plots of the episodes being focused almost entirely on the season-long plot that takes real focus in season 4. This lead to it for me feeling like the most slow and sluggish, and with an ending that isn't really THAT great compared to the endings of the seaons that follow, that all benefit from a strong season-long (and in the last season) series-long plot arc. ...But it's still better than 99% of TV I'd say. That and The Shield is the only other show than Breaking bad to give me mild cardiac arrest over and over and over again.
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:Eagerly awaiting the Breaking Bad spinoff where a 23 year old Holly has to search a neo-nazi compound for the other seven barrels so she can pay off her student loans. I can't wait for Holly to run off to Minneapolis, hook up with skaters, get involved in porn, end up with another group of small time drug dealers, and finally get born again. Redundant posted:This. I feel like people let later events colour their perspective of Walt throughout the entire show. The early instances of Walt doing "bad" things are things that I totally agreed with. Bogdan deserved to be told to go gently caress himself after he tried to renege on their deal for the second time in quick succession after the first time left Walt humiliated, the huge guy laughing at Walt Jr deserved to get taken down a peg or two, Emilio and Crazy 8 were going to kill Walt and Jesse so deserved what eventually happened to them. I really don't want to turn this into an E/N thread, and maybe it's better off in its own blog post, but ABSENT all his horrible actions I think Walt's a bad person just by his constant bullying and lying to people. I don't think that tendency suddenly started when he broke bad, and I suspect that's why he went from a Nobel-associate chemist to a car washer. Remember, he jumped pretty quickly from "I need money" to "I'm going to cook meth". If you've ever been around somebody who constantly lies and bullshits and twists things so that they're always the object of sympathy its very hard to like Walt. I've heard lots of the things he's said from people around me, with less justification than he has. There's one line that sticks with me, when Skylar tells Walt "Enough of these pathetic, desperate breakfasts". Everyone makes a joke about Flynn eating breakfast but that's a tic my dad has - he'll constantly buy me breakfast or make me these elaborate breakfasts as a combination bribe/way to make things up to us/chance to talk. And after awhile it's such an obvious ploy that Skylar sees through it. I don't think it's just my personal take on it, though. Even people involved in the drug business see Walt as a scumbag/loose cannon. Gus Fring and Mike the Cleaner aren't saints, but they have twisted senses of ethics and loyalty. "To live outside the law you must be honest", like Bob Dylan says. Walt doesn't have that. He's closer to Tuco, getting high on his own supply of self-righteousness. On a less serious note, I just started playing GTA V and I'm seriously judging Trevor's meth lab. That is not a professional lab. Count Chocula fucked around with this message at 06:18 on Nov 9, 2013 |
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Blazing Ownager posted:It leaves questions, it hints at answers for the minor and delivers them all for the major points. This is why the show will be regarded highly for a very long time. It's one thing to set up a series with a unique premise. The show managed to deliver on every level without disappointment. Also, it found it's footing incredibly quick. Even a lot of good shows take a few episodes to get going- but Breaking Bad came out with guns blazing- and while the pilot is (and remains) incredible, it just improves from there. If Better Call Saul is a fraction as good as Breaking Bad, I'll be happy.
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I'm worried about Better Call Saul because the premise sounds like one of those USA shows about shady lawyer, but Gen X types and AV Club writers worship Bob Odenkirk as a comedy god so I'm sure it'll be okay. Those Vince Gilligan's last spin-off was The Lone Gunmen, so I can't wait to see what major conspiracy theory Better Call Saul predicts/spawns.
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Guys. I just realized something. The spoonerism for Breaking Bad is Baking Bread.
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Count Chocula posted:I'm worried about Better Call Saul because the premise sounds like one of those USA shows about shady lawyer, but Gen X types and AV Club writers worship Bob Odenkirk as a comedy god so I'm sure it'll be okay. You just reminded me of how sad I was when The Lone Gunmen got cancelled.
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I would really enjoy a Lone Gunmen / Better Call Saul crossover.
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I was wondering about Better Call Saul today and was thinking about spin-offs and for some reason this concept for a one-off came to mind: "A chance meeting of Huell and Hugo [the janitor who gets fired in S2] leads to a series of hard-partying nights during which they realize they each new wildly different sides of the late Walter White." Frankly I think it's just my mind wanting to see Huell in the club (a la that episode after Combo dies).
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Capntastic posted:I would really enjoy a Lone Gunmen / Better Call Saul crossover. But the Lone Gunmen are dead 
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random thoughts from a late in the game netflix bingewatcher: - Walt doesn't seem like a "monster" or whatever. Yeah, bad things happened because he was too prideful or overambitious, but most of the bad poo poo he did was really just self-preservation. It's reasonable for the other characters to feel that way, but I don't think it's a fair assessment as viewers who see it from Walt's shoes. - Marie/Skyler scenes in the later seasons were kind of annoying and often seemed like filler. - Why does Jesse care so much about this random mexican kid? I get it, he's had intercourse with the mom and played that mediocre sonic mario kart with him, but c'mon...BROCK! this, BROCK! that. I felt that was inconsistent with his laid-back persona. - I wish they made Hank's reaction to Walt as Heisenberg a little more nuanced than "You loving scumbag, you're the worst on the planet, I can't even talk, you're making me look constipated." - Bob Odenkirk was awesome as Saul, but I don't think he fit the tone of the show. They basically tossed Barry Zuckercorn into a drama. I wonder when the spoof porn 'Breaking Dad' will hit? Underage, gay, handicap, incest, son/dom/dad. Checking all kinds of boxes.
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jarjarbinksfan621 posted:- I wish they made Hank's reaction to Walt as Heisenberg a little more nuanced than "You loving scumbag, you're the worst on the planet, I can't even talk, you're making me look constipated." It was intended to be a literal "oh poo poo" moment. quote:
Part of makes Saul such a great character is that despite his goofiness- he's very apt at what he does.
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quote:- Why does Jesse care so much about this random mexican kid? I get it, he's had intercourse with the mom and played that mediocre sonic mario kart with him, but c'mon...BROCK! this, BROCK! that. I felt that was inconsistent with his laid-back persona. Jesse has a soft spot for kids, as we've seen throughout the show. And poisoning a kid is one of the worst things you can do, especially one who was innocent. And Brock'a brother had already been killed by Fring's gang. quote:- Walt doesn't seem like a "monster" or whatever. Yeah, bad things happened because he was too prideful or overambitious, but most of the bad poo poo he did was really just self-preservation. It's reasonable for the other characters to feel that way, but I don't think it's a fair assessment as viewers who see it from Walt's shoes. Ambition or hubris or pride - call it what you want, but its the most classic of tragic flaws, going back past Shakespeare and through to the Greeks. I'm at a community festival today and I've counted at least 5 bootleg BB shirts for sale, including a Shephard Fairey 'Cook' design, a MasterChef, and a lovely Better Call Saul. It's a good show but again having Heisenberg be this huge meme kinda bugs me. I wish I had a Jesse Pinkman shirt. Count Chocula fucked around with this message at 06:12 on Nov 10, 2013 |
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jarjarbinksfan621 posted:- Walt doesn't seem like a "monster" or whatever. Yeah, bad things happened because he was too prideful or overambitious, but most of the bad poo poo he did was really just self-preservation. It's reasonable for the other characters to feel that way, but I don't think it's a fair assessment as viewers who see it from Walt's shoes. jarjarbinksfan621 posted:- Why does Jesse care so much about this random mexican kid? I get it, he's had intercourse with the mom and played that mediocre sonic mario kart with him, but c'mon...BROCK! this, BROCK! that. I felt that was inconsistent with his laid-back persona. I have a theory that anyone who believes the first statement will, 100% of the time, believe the second statement.
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CaptainHollywood posted:It was intended to be a literal "oh poo poo" moment. I get that, it's just that I was hoping Hank would approach it a different way than the "the law is the law, you scum" mindset considering his relationship with Walt. Maybe the nuance I'm suggesting would be inconsistent though.
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If Walt JUST cared about self-preservation, he would have had Hank killed as early as season 2. Nobody would suspect anything if a DEA agent who pissed off the Cartels got whacked.
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Count Chocula posted:Jesse has a soft spot for kids, as we've seen throughout the show. And poisoning a kid is one of the worst things you can do, especially one who was innocent. And Brock'a brother had already been killed by Fring's gang. After Brock's brother killed one of Jessie's friends, Jesse attempting to resolve the situation resulted in the two dealers offing Thomas once fring told them to quit using kids. It's not just having a soft spot for kids, it's Jesse feeling guilty for loving up their family.
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jarjarbinksfan621 posted:I get that, it's just that I was hoping Hank would approach it a different way than the "the law is the law, you scum" mindset considering his relationship with Walt. Maybe the nuance I'm suggesting would be inconsistent though.
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Count Chocula posted:If Walt JUST cared about self-preservation, he would have had Hank killed as early as season 2. Nobody would suspect anything if a DEA agent who pissed off the Cartels got whacked. I meant self-preservation in a broader way, encompassing a balance of Walt's family/goals. Meaning if he thought his family was at risk, he would do some unsavory poo poo to alter that. For example, I think the poisoning of Brock was an act of self-preservation, thus not monstrous.
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:If Walt had just been "guy who makes meth" and not "guy who, while making meth, blew up a nursing home, had nine people killed, and was probably involved somehow in Hank being attacked (which he was)" then you'd have a point. But for all Hank knows, he did just make meth. I suppose you're right though, the show gives off a different tone because of Hank's psychic powers.
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Hank knew who Heisenberg was, just not that he was Walter. He probably either knew about or suspected most of the things he did. And self-preservation can't be monstrous? That's an amazingly narrow and self-centred view. It even ignores the fact that Walt was living on borrowed time, and made enough to pay for his chemo halfway through the series. Or he could have just worked for Gus. The cancer probably would have got him before Gus did. Before I watched the show I'd partly blamed America for making healthcare so expensive, but the Grey Matter job would have taken care of that. It's not just what he did, its how he did it. It's was the constant murders and manipulation. He wasn't actually a mild-mannered chemist like Gale.
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jarjarbinksfan621 posted:But for all Hank knows, he did just make meth. I suppose you're right though, the show gives off a different tone because of Hank's psychic powers. No, it's pretty freaking obvious that Walt was behind most/all of the stuff Hank was investigating. He was the missing link between everything Hank figured out. Among other things, he was the one who had Hank thinking that Marie had been fatally injured when he was after the RV; Walt preyed upon his love for his wife, despite Hank thinking of him as a brother, which is a thing I think Hank outright stated he was pissed about when they had their confrontation in the garage.
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jarjarbinksfan621 posted:But for all Hank knows, he did just make meth. I suppose you're right though, the show gives off a different tone because of Hank's psychic powers. It's stupidly obvious how Walt and Heisenberg's actions are related, once you actually figure it out. Ignoring the fact that to Hank, at the end of Season 4, Walt disappeared for two days when they put the entire family into protective custody and by that second day, Gus Fring was suddenly killed by an old crippled enemy with unknown support. You don't think that discovering that Walt is Heisenberg kinda fills in that missing piece of information for Hank?
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But all that is speculation. Take the 9 people in prison. As viewers, we actually know there are other people who are at risk of having their lives ruined other than Walt. Hank even knows one, Mike. Surely he would assume there are many others at risk with such a large operation. He has zero clue how involved Heisenberg is in Gus's operation outside of production. All he knows is that Heisenberg makes the meth. Gus being killed by a bomb by the old cartel guy is hardly a BINGO, it's Heisenberg moment. Gus is a meth kingpin, surely he has all sorts of enemies.
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Hank's a bit smarter than the cops in Dexter. We saw early on that he was a good investigator, and he had literally truckloads of files on Heisenberg. It took a forklift to get them into his garage. He probably knew almost everything except who Heisenberg was.quote:Gus being killed by a bomb by the old cartel guy is hardly a BINGO, it's Heisenberg moment. So Gus wasn't dead until somebody observed his death?
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Count Chocula posted:And self-preservation can't be monstrous? That's an amazingly narrow and self-centred view. It even ignores the fact that Walt was living on borrowed time, and made enough to pay for his chemo halfway through the series. Or he could have just worked for Gus. The cancer probably would have got him before Gus did. He couldn't just work for Gus. He felt his family would always be at risk as long as Gus was around. What exactly is a monstrous thing that Walt did? You can't use poisoning the kid, because it can be reasonably attributed as being (perceived) necessary to protect his family.
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Mr. Mallory posted:But the Lone Gunmen are dead I want to believe.
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jarjarbinksfan621 posted:He couldn't just work for Gus. He felt his family would always be at risk as long as Gus was around. What exactly is a monstrous thing that Walt did? You can't use poisoning the kid, because it can be reasonably attributed as being (perceived) necessary to protect his family. There's nothing necessarily monstrous about defending himself from Gus true, but the whole situation resulted from Walt being an absolute moron on basic workplace relations in the drug world. As for Brock and Walt, poisoning a child for to manipulate a former partner into coming back into your side is generally considered a monstrous act. It doesn't matter if it wasn't lethal or if it was for some ulterior motive, he still intended to send Brock to the hospital, he didn't care that it would terrify his family, and wanted to straight up manipulate Jesse into coming back to him.
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Count Chocula posted:Hank's a bit smarter than the cops in Dexter. We saw early on that he was a good investigator, and he had literally truckloads of files on Heisenberg. It took a forklift to get them into his garage. He probably knew almost everything except who Heisenberg was. On the bomb, I was referring to Hank knowing it was Heisenberg that did the bombing. One would assume that a meth kingpin has many enemies. A well-compensated employee is hardly a logical assumption. Hank doesn't know about the tension between Walt and Gus.
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