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al-azad
May 28, 2009



The great thing about the old text parser games is that once you know what you're doing you can run through them in 60 minutes tops. The VGA games artificially pad out simply because of the interface but still, 80s Sierra games were built for replay.

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kirbysuperstar
Nov 11, 2012

Let the fools who stand before us be destroyed by the power you and I possess.

al-azad posted:

80s Sierra games were built for replay.

You mean built for selling hintbooks, right?

Nephilm
Jun 11, 2009

by Lowtax
Calling the hotline using your dad's credit card.

H13
Nov 30, 2005

Fun Shoe
I found my old copy of Monkey Island 3 the other day.

Holy poo poo. Guybrush walks so slow in it. The game would take half as long if he would hurry up a little bit.

al-azad
May 28, 2009



^^^ He kind of has the same speed as the previous games but the locations are larger. The town is one of my favorite adventure game backdrops but navigating it is sooo frustrating as Guybrush saunters around.

e: Holy poo poo, the fat whte kid was Gary Coleman???

kirbysuperstar posted:

You mean built for selling hintbooks, right?

I won't deny that but these are basically 60 minute long games padded out five times as long because there are so many ways to screw yourself.

But taking notes is really helpful. I used to have notes about death actions and important items for Sierra and Infocom games. At my height of nerdiness I could beat Zork in 10 minutes.

al-azad fucked around with this message at 01:55 on Nov 10, 2013

elf help book
Aug 5, 2004

Though the battle might be endless, I will never give up

Hammer Floyd posted:

I found my old copy of Monkey Island 3 the other day.

Holy poo poo. Guybrush walks so slow in it. The game would take half as long if he would hurry up a little bit.

If you need to go to another screen, you can double click the arrow and skip watching him walk.

wafflemoose
Apr 10, 2009

Sword of the Stars: The Pit hates my guts and I love it, now I see the appeal in rouge-likes, though I'd love to see a Diablo style game in the SOS universe, might check out the 4X strategy game next. Also, is it just me, or does the Morrigi Striker sound an awful lot like Tali from Mass Effect?

wafflemoose fucked around with this message at 04:46 on Nov 10, 2013

H13
Nov 30, 2005

Fun Shoe

elf help book posted:

If you need to go to another screen, you can double click the arrow and skip watching him walk.

Yup, but when you have to walk from one edge of the screen to another in order to get the screen to shift so you can see where you have to go makes things difficult.

Section Z
Oct 1, 2008

Wait, this is the Moon.
How did I even get here?

Pillbug

Starhawk64 posted:

Sword of the Stars: The Pit hates my guts and I love it, now I see the appeal in rouge-likes, though I'd love to see a Diablo style game in the SOS universe, might check out the 4X strategy game next. Also, is it just me, or does the Morrigi Striker sound an awful lot like Tali from Mass Effect?
Oh lordy, unless you are very, VERY sure for some sick reason, Stick to the First SOTS (complete edition, for all the races and little things like, oh Trade and non murder win options).

It's not without it's flaws, but at least SOTS1 while being fully functional (aside from Multiplayer, though some have worked out how to force it), is game I could play and grasp 90% of without looking at instructions or a wiki. Point Defense tech is branched off from VRF (ballistics shoot faster), enjoy when you fail your 90% chance to get Point Defense.

EDIT: vvv well, yes. But they also said they "might check out the 4X strategy game next". Which is not the same game as The Pit. Or did you mean in the sense that "One game Requires a wiki to survive, the other does not".

Section Z fucked around with this message at 06:19 on Nov 10, 2013

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
Dinosaur Gum

Section Z posted:

Oh lordy, unless you are very, VERY sure for some sick reason, Stick to the First SOTS (complete edition, for all the races and little things like, oh Trade and non murder win options).

It's not without it's flaws, but at least SOTS1 while being fully functional (aside from Multiplayer, though some have worked out how to force it), was a game I could play and grasp 90% of without looking at instructions or a wiki.
Sword of the Stars: The Pit is not the same game as Sword of the Stars.

Pornographic Memory
Dec 17, 2008
Sword of the Stars 2 is garbage that was beyond broken on release and you should probably feel bad for giving Kerberos your money (even if it was to buy a not-SotS2 game) because it was so bad. Sword of the Stars 1 was pretty good though.

JustJeff88
Jan 15, 2008

I AM
CONSISTENTLY
ANNOYING
...
JUST TERRIBLE


THIS BADGE OF SHAME IS WORTH 0.45 DOUBLE DRAGON ADVANCES

:dogout:
of SA-Mart forever

Starhawk64 posted:

Sword of the Stars: The Pit hates my guts and I love it, now I see the appeal in rouge-likes, though I'd love to see a Diablo style game in the SOS universe, might check out the 4X strategy game next. Also, is it just me, or does the Morrigi Striker sound an awful lot like Tali from Mass Effect?

I played that for a bit on a moderate difficulty level and it was fine except for the fact that I could not find enough food to keep body and soul together. Either I was missing something (mechanically, I was very thorough in my exploration), the RNG was hating on me that day, or that game really does not give two fucks.

wafflemoose
Apr 10, 2009

JustJeff88 posted:

I played that for a bit on a moderate difficulty level and it was fine except for the fact that I could not find enough food to keep body and soul together. Either I was missing something (mechanically, I was very thorough in my exploration), the RNG was hating on me that day, or that game really does not give two fucks.

Even on easy I die around level 15 due to either running out of food or I get machinegunned to death by security bots. The game simply hates your guts and wants to see you fail, that's just the nature of rogue-likes.

JustJeff88
Jan 15, 2008

I AM
CONSISTENTLY
ANNOYING
...
JUST TERRIBLE


THIS BADGE OF SHAME IS WORTH 0.45 DOUBLE DRAGON ADVANCES

:dogout:
of SA-Mart forever

Starhawk64 posted:

Even on easy I die around level 15 due to either running out of food or I get machinegunned to death by security bots. The game simply hates your guts and wants to see you fail, that's just the nature of rogue-likes.

Frankly, I don't care. Having the reason for your demise essentially be "RNG didn't give yu enough food" is poor game design. I've played some tough roguelikes before that I had some fun with but don't recall any off the top of my head with food mechanics, though I'm certain that there are some. Having your game end for no better reason than "the RNG didn't feel like making food apppear" is just bad design as far as I am concerned. If that means that this isn't a good genre for me then so be it, but I'm not going to let the game slide in this regard just because "that's a roguelike"

Sir, You Are Being Hunted has a food mechanic, but that's not a roguelike since there are reloads and save points. That game still frustrates the piss out of me as is.

doctorfrog
Mar 14, 2007

Great.

Balancing a hunger mechanic can be tricky, though it seems to me it probably isn't the most impossible thing to do. If you're correctly estimating how long a player should be on a given level, then seeding each level with enough food with maybe a margin for error, it should be ok. The idea generally seems to be to use it to keep the player moving forward.

How does The Pit appear to use hunger? Is it just there to check a box or add complication, or does it serve a function? Do you just not like hunger, or do you think The Pit is just not balancing it correctly?

I don't like it when I starve to death either, it feels like more of a whimper than a bang, but like most roguelike stuff, it's usually something I could have prevented.

Mercury Crusader
Apr 20, 2005

You know they say that all demons are created equal, but you look at me and you look at Pyro Jack and you can see that statement is not true, hee-ho!
The original Rogue had a food mechanic, and I've had my character die from starvation several times because the game's RNG refuses to give food.

Mercury Crusader fucked around with this message at 00:48 on Nov 11, 2013

al-azad
May 28, 2009



Don't complain about food in roguelikes until you play IVAN. You will know true desperation when you pray for a morsel and your god turns your arms into bananas.

Bolverkur
Aug 9, 2012

Shadow Man is on discount today! I so desperately wanted this game back on the day on the N64. Read the review back and forth as well as the guide that came with N64 magazine. Don't know if it has aged that well, but it's great to have an excuse to play it!

Neo Rasa
Mar 8, 2007
Everyone should play DUKE games.

:dukedog:

Bolverkur posted:

Shadow Man is on discount today! I so desperately wanted this game back on the day on the N64. Read the review back and forth as well as the guide that came with N64 magazine. Don't know if it has aged that well, but it's great to have an excuse to play it!

I think this is one of those games that got a better version on Dreamcast like Soul Reaver. I loved Shadow Man when it came out. I loved the original Turok also but always thought it was lame that they kept putting out worse and worse Turok games while Shadow Man got that low budget PS2 sequel and nothing else.

Tin Tim
Jun 4, 2012

Live by the pun - Die by the pun

quote:

SoTS: The Pit


If ya'll have problems with food, it's likely that you neglected to develop your Foraging skill. This skill influences how many items a loot source can yield, and what kind of quality they are. It's kinda important to keep that in mind, as food containers aren't that plentiful to begin with. So you want to make the most out of each chance the game gives you! Oh, and you also should look up some of the crafting recepies for food on the Wiki. The game wants you to get those by playing a metric gently caress-ton, but you'll have a much better time when you just look them up. Of course this is no guarantee for success. I had a run where a marine with power armor and a shiny plasma cannon starved pitifully on the last set of floors.

In general, your success in this game is tied to the RNG really hard. To the point where it doesn't matter how good you play and how many tricks you know. If the RNG decides to not give you a good gun and armor before floor 15, your run is most likely doomed. And yeah, food or other items work the same way. If the RNG hates you, then you can't do nothing about it. You can only try to make the best out of each loot source, with proper management of your loot related skills. This takes a bit of experience with the game though, and the same can be said about the right management of your resources.

I played this game a lot, and could sperg about it for hours :v:

Gobblecoque
Sep 6, 2011

Bolverkur posted:

Shadow Man is on discount today! I so desperately wanted this game back on the day on the N64. Read the review back and forth as well as the guide that came with N64 magazine. Don't know if it has aged that well, but it's great to have an excuse to play it!

Shadow Man is one of those games that I've always had a hardon for because it's awesome. Also, PC is the best version of Shadow Man.

JustJeff88
Jan 15, 2008

I AM
CONSISTENTLY
ANNOYING
...
JUST TERRIBLE


THIS BADGE OF SHAME IS WORTH 0.45 DOUBLE DRAGON ADVANCES

:dogout:
of SA-Mart forever

Tin Tim posted:

If ya'll have problems with food, it's likely that you neglected to develop your Foraging skill. This skill influences how many items a loot source can yield, and what kind of quality they are. It's kinda important to keep that in mind, as food containers aren't that plentiful to begin with. So you want to make the most out of each chance the game gives you! Oh, and you also should look up some of the crafting recepies for food on the Wiki. The game wants you to get those by playing a metric gently caress-ton, but you'll have a much better time when you just look them up. Of course this is no guarantee for success. I had a run where a marine with power armor and a shiny plasma cannon starved pitifully on the last set of floors.

In general, your success in this game is tied to the RNG really hard. To the point where it doesn't matter how good you play and how many tricks you know. If the RNG decides to not give you a good gun and armor before floor 15, your run is most likely doomed. And yeah, food or other items work the same way. If the RNG hates you, then you can't do nothing about it. You can only try to make the best out of each loot source, with proper management of your loot related skills. This takes a bit of experience with the game though, and the same can be said about the right management of your resources.

I played this game a lot, and could sperg about it for hours :v:

I'll keep those tips in mind, thank you.

The Kins
Oct 2, 2004
Today's releases: Sang-Froid and an updated version of Wasteland.

In other news, Shadowrun Returns is finally preparing for a GOG release! Previously, the license-holders at Microsoft prevented a DRM-free release outside of the Kickstarter rewards, but a new agreement has allowed for a fully-supported DRM-free version with expansions, the editor etc. Good stuff!

JustJeff88
Jan 15, 2008

I AM
CONSISTENTLY
ANNOYING
...
JUST TERRIBLE


THIS BADGE OF SHAME IS WORTH 0.45 DOUBLE DRAGON ADVANCES

:dogout:
of SA-Mart forever

The Kins posted:

Today's releases: Sang-Froid and an updated version of Wasteland.

In other news, Shadowrun Returns is finally preparing for a GOG release! Previously, the license-holders at Microsoft prevented a DRM-free release outside of the Kickstarter rewards, but a new agreement has allowed for a fully-supported DRM-free version with expansions, the editor etc. Good stuff!

Great news is that that's coming to GOG, bad news is that I already bought it on Steam. Yay me

Charles Martel
Mar 7, 2007

"The Hero of the Age..."

The hero of all ages
So this thread has made it to 750 pages and was started 4 years and 8 months ago. I failed to forsee just how huge this site would be and didn't make a second OP to keep track of new games that are added. As such, I've just about run out of space in the OP and cannot add any new information.

If anyone wants to create a new thread, you are more than happy to. :)

Jamesman
Nov 19, 2004

"First off, let me start by saying curly light blond hair does not suit Hyomin at all. Furthermore,"
Fun Shoe
There's a Gold edition for The Pit and a "DLC upgrade" on GOG now, and I'm kinda confused as to what those actually are.

Jamesman fucked around with this message at 10:22 on Nov 13, 2013

Delusibeta
Aug 7, 2013

Let's ride together.

Jamesman posted:

There's a Gold edition for The Pit and a "DLC upgrade" on GOG now, and I'm kinda confused as to what those actually are.

They launched an all the DLC edition of The Pit (the Gold edition, unsurprisingly) alongside new DLC (the upgrade).

END CHEMTRAILS NOW
Apr 16, 2005

Pillbug
System Shock 2 is currently on sale for $2 (80% off), but you'll have to hurry because there are only about ~200 copies left at this price, so it'll be gone shortly.

JustJeff88
Jan 15, 2008

I AM
CONSISTENTLY
ANNOYING
...
JUST TERRIBLE


THIS BADGE OF SHAME IS WORTH 0.45 DOUBLE DRAGON ADVANCES

:dogout:
of SA-Mart forever

NotInventedHere posted:

System Shock 2 is currently on sale for $2 (80% off), but you'll have to hurry because there are only about ~200 copies left at this price, so it'll be gone shortly.

They're doing some kind of limited-quantity flash sale thing. SS2 is already gone. I just know that I am going to miss some higher-ticket games that I really wanted. I hope that they are kind and do a catch-up sale at the end.

macnbc
Dec 13, 2006

brb, time travelin'

JustJeff88 posted:

They're doing some kind of limited-quantity flash sale thing. SS2 is already gone. I just know that I am going to miss some higher-ticket games that I really wanted. I hope that they are kind and do a catch-up sale at the end.

If you've ever been to a Woot Off at Woot.com, this is basically a GOG spin on it. When one game sells out, they're on to the next.

Tarquinn
Jul 3, 2007

I know I’ve made some very poor decisions recently, but I can give you
my complete assurance that my work will be back to normal.
Hell Gem
This sale is quite entertaining. It's like a steam daily deal every two to five minutes. Plus free games, if you're lucky.

SSJ Reeko
Nov 4, 2009
Red Baron hasn't been on sale during this has it? I'm hoping I can nab that for cheap.

Mierenneuker
Apr 28, 2010


We're all going to experience changes in our life but only the best of us will qualify for front row seats.

200 copies of Thief Gold for two bucks just lasted two minutes.

Here's hoping Thief II will follow soon after.

Admiral H. Curtiss
May 11, 2010

I think there are a bunch of people who can create trailing images. I know some who could do this as if they were just going out for a stroll.
Hahaha, those free games. The last one was up for less than a second for me, people are crazy fast.

Tarquinn
Jul 3, 2007

I know I’ve made some very poor decisions recently, but I can give you
my complete assurance that my work will be back to normal.
Hell Gem
Got Master of Magic for a buck. Yesss. :getin:

Billy Gnosis
May 18, 2006

Now is the time for us to gather together and celebrate those things that we like and think are fun.
It is funny the speed difference between some of these sales. Megabyte punch feels like its taking forever.

A Fancy 400 lbs
Jul 24, 2008

Billy Gnosis posted:

It is funny the speed difference between some of these sales. Megabyte punch feels like its taking forever.

Which is sad, because it's super fun.

Wisp
May 17, 2010

Billy Gnosis posted:

It is funny the speed difference between some of these sales. Megabyte punch feels like its taking forever.

How long was that Wargame sale up for earlier? I managed to get a few chores done while waiting for that one to sell out. It felt a bit like people were buying it just to get it out of the way.

elf help book
Aug 5, 2004

Though the battle might be endless, I will never give up
I don't think putting up the actual number of sales was the best idea.

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iastudent
Apr 22, 2008

Ultima VII Complete showed up as free for like 2 seconds. :(

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