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The problem is that nobody seems to care about Cyclops in the movies. See also his halfassed appearance in X-Men Origins: Wolverine.
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muscles like this? posted:The problem is that nobody seems to care about Cyclops in the movies. See also his halfassed appearance in X-Men Origins: Wolverine. They didn't really give him much to do. I honestly can't remember much of Cyclops in the movies.
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Nov 26, 2013 01:43
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muscles like this? posted:The problem is that nobody seems to care about Cyclops in the movies. See also his halfassed appearance in X-Men Origins: Wolverine. If you se that as your evidence they do not care about anyone in that film, since everyone and everything was halfassed.
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Nov 26, 2013 01:46
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Wolverine was half assed in X-Men Origins: Wolverine
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Nov 26, 2013 02:01
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Madkal posted:They didn't really give him much to do. I honestly can't remember much of Cyclops in the movies. In 2 he spent most of the movie kidnapped and brainwashed.
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Nov 26, 2013 02:07
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Strontosaurus posted:"Have you tried not being a mutant?" is my favorite line from any of those movies. It's obviously a joke. Yeah, the absurdity of asking Bobby that is the whole point of the joke. It's highlighting the absurdity of asking a gay kid the same thing. It's not my favourite line though. That would be about a third of McKellan's lines, where he just dips into the camp a superhero movie needs sometimes.  "We love what you've done with your hair."  "You homo sapiens and your guns..."
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Nov 26, 2013 02:24
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Its really too bad because Marsden just comes off as a great guy in everything. A friend of mine was asking me if I think that we'll see Elizabeth Olsen as Scarlett Witch anytime soon, and I cannot see them even dropping a hint of concept art until at least Cap 2 comes out. Avengers 2 is the next thing aver GotG right?
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Nov 26, 2013 02:40
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They might put them in an after credits scene but I don't think the Maximoff's fit in with Cap 2
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Nov 26, 2013 02:41
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Opopanax posted:They might put them in an after credits scene but I don't think the Maximoff's fit in with Cap 2 Well, I was talking more like magazine and website stuff talking about Avengers 2, but I could see the after credits thing being US Immigration and the immigration officer opening up a passport that says "Wanda Maximoff" and looking up at Her and Pietro. BTW, i'm curious on how they are going to pronounce that, I've always thought it was pronounced Pee-troh. But i've heard it said Pee-ter-o.
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Nov 26, 2013 03:08
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Pee-ehtro.
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Nov 26, 2013 03:11
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I was never bif into X-en, so can somebody explain to me why Rogue kept only Ms. marvels powers permanently. Beyond the "it's cool" explanation you have for everything in comics.
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Nov 26, 2013 03:12
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e X posted:I was never bif into X-en, so can somebody explain to me why Rogue kept only Ms. marvels powers permanently. Beyond the "it's cool" explanation you have for everything in comics. My understanding is that Rogue drained Carol much deeper than anyone else giving her the powers on a semi-permanent basis and putting Ms Marvel in a coma.
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Nov 26, 2013 03:17
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There were rumors that Marsden will have a cameo in Days of Future Past, and I think he and Singer have had discussions about bringing him back for the next X-Men film afterwards.
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Nov 26, 2013 03:25
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByCY2UYLHG8 Impeccable timing with this one.
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Nov 26, 2013 03:26
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Deadpool posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByCY2UYLHG8 The website listed in that video thebentbullet.com has some background to stuff like it looks like a couple of characters won't be returning, Azazel and Tempest are both listed as casualties of Project WideAwake. Not a big shocker seeing as they were barely in First Class.
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Nov 26, 2013 03:37
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muscles like this? posted:My understanding is that Rogue drained Carol much deeper than anyone else giving her the powers on a semi-permanent basis and putting Ms Marvel in a coma. Yea, I'm reading that right now, and pretty much while Rogue was in Mystiques brotherhood of evil mutants, Rogue fought Carol and managed to hold onto her so long, that she not only gained Ms Marvel powers, but also took a good chunk of who Carol Danvers was. So she did not only gain strength, speed, flight and invulnerability, but also gained part of Carols memories and personalities, so much so that SHIELD saw Rogue as being part Kree as well. There was a storyline that Rogue was so drained after flying from Japan to the Mansion that the Carol Personality took over completely, but Rogue was unaware of this, and they busted into the Helicarrier and rescued Rossi, Carols Ex BF. Rogue took him to "her parents cabin" meaning Carols parents, and she was even talking to Rossi using Carols Boston accent, rather than Rogue's southern one. It was pretty bad because Rogue could feel the relationship and love Carol had for Rossi but Rossi only saw a former evil mutant. I haven't gotten to the part were it really goes bad for Rogue, but there is a point where the two people in one body thing becomes too much and theres separation and Carol gets restored to being Ms Marvel, but Rogue keeps her powers. As I said, these are pretty much the defining characteristics of Rogue and Ms Marvel in the past but these will certainly be ignored in any films, mostly because the characters rights are owned by different companies and its just too much to add to the films. I mean, all you need for Ms Marvel is to have Carol be a normal fighter ace, get zapped by some alien machine and BAM Super Powers. I really do with Rogue had more to do in the films. She's my favorite lady Xmen (which is funny because Ms/Captain Marvel is by far my favorite female super hero), but that love of the character is based on the comics and to a lesser extent her in the 90s animated show. There's lots of good reasons to include Carol in MCU, mostly because it will give a front line combat woman. Captain Marvel is up there with the top tier marvel heroes. I've seen her listed just below the Hulk, Red Hulk, Thor Hercules and Colossus as the strongest heroes. I nerd out out to her way to much, I'm afraid of how much I'll nerd out to Scarlett Witch, my second favorite, in 2015.
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Nov 26, 2013 03:55
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The real reason why Carol got wiped? http://carolastrickland.com/comics/msmarvel/
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Nov 26, 2013 04:00
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For all of Chris Claremont's horrible fetishes leaking into comics, he did right by Carol.
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Nov 26, 2013 04:03
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bobkatt013 posted:The real reason why Carol got wiped? Oh yea, possibly one of the worst things ever done to a female character. And gently caress Jim Shooter. At least Claremont was able to reclaim her, and have her pal around with the Xmen and make her buddies with Wolverine, then give her new powers and have her go off with the Space Pirates.
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Nov 26, 2013 04:09
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twistedmentat posted:Oh yea, possibly one of the worst things ever done to a female character. And gently caress Jim Shooter. At least Claremont was able to reclaim her, and have her pal around with the Xmen and make her buddies with Wolverine, then give her new powers and have her go off with the Space Pirates. isn't Jim Shooter the one who was responsible for the Hulk YMCA near shower rape story? What is wrong with that dude's head?
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Nov 26, 2013 04:24
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That DOFP teaser site goes into a lot of of the alternate history where Magneto gets blamed for the Kennedy assassination.
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Nov 26, 2013 04:32
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Pyronic posted:isn't Jim Shooter the one who was responsible for the Hulk YMCA near shower rape story? What is wrong with that dude's head? He started writing when he was 14, and never stopped being 14. muscles like this? posted:That DOFP teaser site goes into a lot of of the alternate history where Magneto gets blamed for the Kennedy assassination. That's really cool. I figure the dancer talked about being killed was the one who was, ugh, Angel? EDIT: XMen is on AMC right now, and I never realized that Rogue's oufit at the start of the movie is very much like on of her classic outs, green coat with hood. Though I also heard in a newscast that Henry Gyrich was mauled by a bear, but I don't remember him anywhere in the film. twistedmentat fucked around with this message at 04:50 on Nov 26, 2013 |
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Nov 26, 2013 04:35
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twistedmentat posted:He started writing when he was 14, and never stopped being 14. He was the Robert Kelly aide that Mystique was impersonating. However, they could just ignore it as they have done it before (Beast)
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Nov 26, 2013 04:53
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Mr. Maltose posted:For all of Chris Claremont's horrible fetishes leaking into comics, he did right by Carol. It speaks volumes that their little plot to sweep Ms. Marvel under the rug and glue it down was so messed up even Clarmont was like "Uh, I need to fix that." Shooter honestly thought he'd done a good job and given her a happy ending that nobody would feel the need to fix.
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Nov 26, 2013 06:17
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Senor Candle posted:They would have to create someone with Danver's power set because there is no way in hell they have the rights to Captain Marvel. Rogue drains Gladiator, gets all the flying brick powers and a purple mohawk. Done. Also, seconding the Carol love. Of course,at this point it's a race to see if she can be worked into Phase 3 before DC ever even thinks about announcing a Wonder Woman movie. 404GoonNotFound fucked around with this message at 09:38 on Nov 26, 2013 |
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Nov 26, 2013 09:27
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404GoonNotFound posted:Also, seconding the Carol love. Of course,at this point it's a race to see if she can be worked into Phase 3 before DC ever even thinks about announcing a Wonder Woman movie. I think if a Captain Marvel movie makes it into pre-production you'll see WB put a serious rush on the Wonder Woman movie just for PR's sake
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Nov 26, 2013 10:37
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Billy Idle posted:Well, the problem is it's a bit of a muddled metaphor. In real life I wouldn't begrudge someone for seeking a cure for their inability to touch someone without risking killing them, and you're kind of an rear end in a top hat if you think otherwise. greatn posted:Yeah, as ham handedly as Bryan Singer tried to link being gay and being a mutant, the metaphor simply doesn't hold up beyond the most simple "I was born this way". And you may think it's an eyerolling line, but it has literally been said by a lot of parents of gay kids.
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Nov 26, 2013 11:22
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irlZaphod posted:And you may think it's an eyerolling line, but it has literally been said by a lot of parents of gay kids.
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Nov 26, 2013 11:37
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irlZaphod posted:That isn't something which would happen in real life though. Being gay is. I know, I've been in the room when it's been said to my best friend. That's why I think it's application to having superpowers is silly.
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Nov 26, 2013 11:57
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Strontosaurus posted:"Have you tried not being a mutant?" is my favorite line from any of those movies. It's obviously a joke. The line is diminished somewhat if you watched the episode of Buffy (also written by Joss Whedon) where her mother finds out about her and says, in exactly the same tone and cadence, "Have you tried not being a Slayer?" A sort of dialogue version of the "homages, ripoffs, and coincidences" stuff
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Nov 26, 2013 11:59
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greatn posted:I know, I've been in the room when it's been said to my best friend. That's why I think it's application to having superpowers is silly.
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Nov 26, 2013 12:02
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"I think comparing juvenile power fantasy states to actual minorities is silly." "I don't think you understand metaphor."
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Nov 26, 2013 13:10
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Mr. Maltose posted:"I think comparing juvenile power fantasy states to actual minorities is silly." And really, it kinda does, so he's wrong on that. irlZaphod fucked around with this message at 13:16 on Nov 26, 2013 |
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Nov 26, 2013 13:12
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Yeah, if you don't think having literal superpowers is an poor means of expressing themes like the minority experience then you would think the metaphor wouldn't hold up. Which is a major legitimate criticism of the X-Books but gets glossed over constantly because comic books.
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Nov 26, 2013 13:16
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I remember listening to the commentary for X2 because I'm that kind of goon, and Ian McKellen flat out says he wasn't even going to watch this dumb superhero paycheck movie until someone told him about that Iceman scene. Then he said he thought the scene was rad.
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Mr. Maltose posted:Yeah, if you don't think having literal superpowers is an poor means of expressing themes like the minority experience then you would think the metaphor wouldn't hold up. Which is a major legitimate criticism of the X-Books but gets glossed over constantly because comic books. Different people will read different things into it depending on their experiences. Not everything the X-Men do has to be a metaphor for gays or any other minority, but as things happen there is plenty to read into it.
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Nov 26, 2013 13:35
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Lobok posted:Explaining Rogue's Danvers powers works better without Danvers. Ms. Marvel had energy powers, so you're left explaining that Rogue absorbed someone's powers so hard that she took them permanently, but some were left out for some reason. I think she only had strength, speed and flight when Rogue absorbed her powers. Unless I'm mistaken, Carol didn't get energy powers until she became Binary.
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Nov 26, 2013 13:58
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Deadpool posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByCY2UYLHG8
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muscles like this? posted:That DOFP teaser site goes into a lot of of the alternate history where Magneto gets blamed for the Kennedy assassination. I'm guessing this Kennedy's assassination will be the pivotal point that the ruined future will try to change? quote:Oswald was not Kennedy’s killer, Lehnsherr told the court. The true murderer was still at large, and “will very likely never be caught.” Lehnsherr refused to say more about the matter under cross-examination.
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I really hope it wasn't Mystique, because First Class made her a million times more sympathetic than any other medium she's appeared in.
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