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Red posted:It's a shame he's got no charisma or interview skills - he seems like a really crisp worker. I think its more that the new generation, so to speak, don't care enough about the business to improve. They're looking to get a paycheck and that's it. Case in point: Shelton Benjamin. He cared more about videogames than improving his charisma.
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ColeM posted:I think its more that the new generation, so to speak, don't care enough about the business to improve. They're looking to get a paycheck and that's it. Case in point: Shelton Benjamin. He cared more about videogames than improving his charisma. Hunter? Is that you?
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epitasis posted:Hunter? Is that you? Great Post
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ColeM posted:I think its more that the new generation, so to speak, don't care enough about the business to improve. They're looking to get a paycheck and that's it. Case in point: Shelton Benjamin. He cared more about videogames than improving his charisma. Should've been training that charisma stat.
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ColeM posted:I think its more that the new generation, so to speak, don't care enough about the business to improve. They're looking to get a paycheck and that's it. Case in point: Shelton Benjamin. He cared more about videogames than improving his charisma. I'm inclined to think that improv classes and practice won't turn Shelton into The Rock.
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Mick's angry promo on Rock for being selfish still has me in awe. It might be the only time somebody's words left The Rock speechless. Because he was accused of something he didn't do and couldn't get a word in edgewise. The Rock was all like '...omg what even are you talking about.'
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Red posted:I'm inclined to think that improv classes and practice won't turn Shelton into The Rock. Just saying that Shelton did not give a poo poo and look how far he went. Not saying just anyone can become the next Rock but they can improve if they put effort into it.
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Nick_326 posted:Q: Why doesn't Bryan use the Cattle Mutilation move anymore? A bunch of people have already talked about this, but I think I remember him saying something about how the move just doesn't have any drama to it. The way you have the dudes arms locked makes it impossible for them to try to get to the ropes to break it up, so basically to get out of it you just have to let them go which looks pretty silly.
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ColeM posted:Just saying that Shelton did not give a poo poo and look how far he went. Not saying just anyone can become the next Rock but they can improve if they put effort into it. It's the company bro, there's a lot of really good pro wrestlers in WWE, the company just ruins talent. Whether it's the lovely gimmicks and terrible writing (because god forbid someone cut his own characters promo), the even-steven booking, the start/stop/doghouse thing they do all the time. It's like they have it down to a science, how do you ruin the Punk angle after Money in the Bank? A child could have come up with a better story than what we got. That was their chance to make Punk a breakout star and they poo poo on it to get Kevin Nash in the mix. Think about that, in the year 2012(2011?) they pulled the rug out from under someone so white hot he was pulling in new viewers and viewers who gave up on the product and they fumbled it all in order to get KEVIN NASH some screen time. I'm not even a huge CM Punk guy, it's just so sad. At least he got a fat contract, what do we get? /edit oh yeah don't forget Michael mcfuckinguilicutty maniacripper fucked around with this message at 06:40 on Dec 16, 2013 |
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ColeM posted:Just saying that Shelton did not give a poo poo and look how far he went. Not saying just anyone can become the next Rock but they can improve if they put effort into it. It's also possible that what Shelton did in WWE was his ceiling.
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Shelton gave great performances night in and night out - by the time he was accused of 'not giving a poo poo' he'd been in the company for years and had never advanced beyond the midcard and being a perennial 'dude in the MiTB match to do flippydoos.' Not to say that not giving a poo poo is a good response to that, but at the same time it's not as if he just never gave a poo poo from day one.
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WWE: Our wrestlers don't go out drinking or partying anymore, they just play video games! WWE: DON'T YOU DARE PLAY VIDEO GAMES!
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Shelton is basically Dolph Ziggler except Shelton actually stopped being insane in all of his matches a few months after WWE stopped giving a poo poo about him. Then WWE got all mad because HE'S CLEARLY LAZY!!!!!!!!! HulkaMatt fucked around with this message at 08:49 on Dec 16, 2013 |
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Here's me thinking it's because Vince very famously hates black wrestlers. 
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Aurain posted:Here's me thinking it's because Vince very famously hates black wrestlers. Except...he doesn't. Look at Bobby Lashley.
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Aurain posted:Here's me thinking it's because Vince very famously hates black wrestlers. Also 'very famously?' I've heard racist vince stories, but they seem to come down to him being hilariously out of touch, not active hatred on his part. Not that that excuses it, mind, but there's a clear difference between 'iunno, spic it up' and 'the whites are the superior race and will inherit the earth.' Or 'restaurant owners should be allowed to refuse service to black people.' Endorph fucked around with this message at 11:32 on Dec 16, 2013 |
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It was sarcasm, by the way.
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You don't really have to be a nazi to be racist, you know. There's nothing terribly quaint about "spic it up", that's pretty straightforward as these things go.
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Basic Chunnel posted:You don't really have to be a nazi to be racist, you know. There's nothing terribly quaint about "spic it up", that's pretty straightforward as these things go. Endorph fucked around with this message at 12:28 on Dec 16, 2013 |
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Didn't Vince have one of his affairs with Jacqueline?
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Supreme Allah posted:Because he was accused of something he didn't do and couldn't get a word in edgewise. The Rock was all like '...omg what even are you talking about.' That's part of it, but if you watch the promo, a lot of what Mick about Rock says is pretty bang-on.
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That's TOOOONNY Atlas!
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TL posted:That's TOOOONNY Atlas! How can I still hear Piper's voice so clearly in my head after all this time?
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sticklefifer posted:How can I still hear Piper's voice so clearly in my head after all this time? He's standing right behind you.
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I don't think they would have had any trouble pushing Shelton if he had even an ounce of personality in him. He had the in-ring ability and the pre-WWE credentials to be a guy they absolutely love, he was just a terrible promo and bland as gently caress most of the time.
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sportsgenius86 posted:I don't think they would have had any trouble pushing Shelton if he had even an ounce of personality in him. He had the in-ring ability and the pre-WWE credentials to be a guy they absolutely love, he was just a terrible promo and bland as gently caress most of the time. I agree completely, but he's a ton of fun to watch. But it's also important to note that he's had a very good career. There's absolutely nothing wrong with Shelton Benjamin's body of work. Not being a megastar doesn't mean you failed.
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Patrice O'Neal told a story about Tiger Ali Singh begging Vince to stop making fun of his turban on TV because his family was being insulted and Vince telling him to shut up and put on the stupid turban. Vince is a racist and a misogynist, never forget.
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I seem to remember reading somewhere that Shelton was a guy who was perfectly happy with his position in the company and didn't seem too concerned with being world champion or aspiring to those levels and the company really soured on him for that.
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Writer Cath posted:I seem to remember reading somewhere that Shelton was a guy who was perfectly happy with his position in the company and didn't seem too concerned with being world champion or aspiring to those levels and the company really soured on him for that. Well, I really wonder if that's just the narrative taken from Shelton being yelled at for playing video games backstage instead of watching matches. He got a few chances at the top, and it didn't take - and not for lack of trying.
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I've never understood that about WWE in particular. If a guy DOESN'T want to get pushed to the top, even if they're happy to stay on the midcard, they're called lazy. I mean, you NEED a midcard. And Shelton was great in that position.
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It's probably more they want everyone exactly where Vince wants them and if Vince's control freak fetish isn't met there will be hell toupee.
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VogeGandire posted:I've never understood that about WWE in particular. If a guy DOESN'T want to get pushed to the top, even if they're happy to stay on the midcard, they're called lazy. I'm sure the other workers love to work with the guy who has one memorable match a year because it has a ladder in it. The Shelton thing is a little weird because it isn't like there's the same money or opportunities at the top of the card. They clearly wanted to make him a star at one point and he had the ring chops (and willingness to put his body on the line) to do it, but something clearly didn't click backstage.
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If Shelton couldn't talk then it's on them to figure out a way to use the things he does do well to make money and hide his flaws. But again I think they either don't know how to book anyone anymore or are so he'll-bent on getting the WWE brand over that they don't give a poo poo about individual talent. I give the wrestlers the benefit of the doubt until they stop cutting guys legs off.
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I don't think anyone, new guy or not, should end the streak at this point. people don't want the streak to end.
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triplexpac posted:The real question is, what would the ratings be for Undertaker's streak ending, and should Cena turn heel during it? I want to know whether the individual responsible for ending Taker's streak would be eligible for entrance into the WO Hall of Fame.
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