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wyoming
Jun 7, 2010

Like a television
tuned to a dead channel.

Loving the new Soda Popper.

Stick Figure Mafia posted:

I am so happy I finally got at least 1 replay of that Whoa map.
I was able to put this together of us all flopping around.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPoyXBAHxh8
The map looks totally different from the outside. Much... more surreal.

You got some great shots of me in slow motion cracking my whip through the air.
Excellent music choice by the way.


You too, ay?

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Spacedad
Sep 11, 2001

We go play orbital catch around the curvature of the earth, son.

Stick Figure Mafia posted:

I am so happy I finally got at least 1 replay of that Whoa map.
I was able to put this together of us all flopping around.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPoyXBAHxh8
The map looks totally different from the outside. Much... more surreal.

I like that the mad doctor is used here as a running gag.


For those who don't know, it's the bad guy from this, which wound up becoming the basis for one of the halloween funhaver events:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-JlevnccDk

Stick Figure/Zombrero also did a remix of the soundtrack in this which was pretty boss:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjiB-a1gasg

And my cartoon, a parody of the poster for the old short:




Anyway, I feel like I want to make the mad doctor a running gag mascot of the funhavers group now, and am tempted to do some animation with him in flash. I might redesign him to suit my ends more without copyright infringement issues though. But I kind of like him showing up, because he has fun the way I have fun - taking parts of things together and mad-sciencing them up.

A shrubbery!
Jan 16, 2009
I LOOK DOWN ON MY REAL LIFE FRIENDS BECAUSE OF THEIR VIDEO GAME PURCHASING DECISIONS.

I'M THAT MUCH OF AN INSUFFERABLE SPERGLORD

CoolCab posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sc9_2LJtKnI

Star posted part 3 of his charity mixup, which continues to be an adorable story of three nearly completely new players and their fresh from the pro leagues coach Star (who's at very least UGC Highlander winning class) working together and learning as a team (how serious Star wants to be is the big one). poo poo is heartwarming :3:

Hah, that deciding round is amazing. "It's funner when we win. And when Jerma loses."

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem

A shrubbery! posted:

Hah, that deciding round is amazing. "It's funner when we win. And when Jerma loses."

''That was a fun round, except when I didn't understand what was happening then ran off a cliff.'' ''Good work.''

Magypsy
Apr 2, 2010

People call me Pine! (Pine!)
Eastern Venus Space Police.
If there's slime, (There's slime!)
Involved in a crime, (Bad crime!)
We'll clean them up on the beat! (The beat!)
It's fun to look at which weapons go up to insane prices after a rebalance.

leather fedora
Jun 27, 2004

The closest acceptable translation is
"die properly"
Good thing I had a Strange Diamondback from opening crates a little while ago. :getin:

Speaking of, I unboxed a Strange Festive Black Box. Is it better to try to sell them now or wait until after the crates go away?

Magypsy
Apr 2, 2010

People call me Pine! (Pine!)
Eastern Venus Space Police.
If there's slime, (There's slime!)
Involved in a crime, (Bad crime!)
We'll clean them up on the beat! (The beat!)

leather fedora posted:

Good thing I had a Strange Diamondback from opening crates a little while ago. :getin:

Speaking of, I unboxed a Strange Festive Black Box. Is it better to try to sell them now or wait until after the crates go away?

Sell it now while it's still hot. On the market, a lot of the new festives have been selling very cheaply, so I think that they'll be the least valuable ones yet.

Sanctum
Feb 14, 2005

Property was their religion
A church for one

Main Paineframe posted:

Good thing there wasn't a Pyro there instead, or else instead of just wasting your rockets, you'd be eating them.
It doesn't matter what is on the cart, if there are 6 idiots pushing a cart and you are playing either soldier or demo then you should punish them whenever possible. You either chip them or aggressively corner, but in both scenarios you are only exposing yourself for an instant where you deal 200-400 damage a pop while gauging what they are doing in response. If you hear a reflect, you find a way to group shots/mess up timing or just give up on cornering and resume playing defensively.

Trying to draw parallels between the short circuit and airblasts is frankly idiotic. You can't even pre-fire a chasing short circuit because it destroys projectiles, rendering corners useless against it. The engie doesn't even have to be looking your way or timing shots. This short circuit is not like airblasts at all. The best pyro in all creation will still get shut down by a competent kritz demo, meanwhile any idiot with a short circuit can hold down M1 and completely negate a kritz demo. That's an important distinction, I think.

Dr. Dos
Aug 5, 2005

YAAAAAAAY!
On a less angry note, I think something may be bugged with the concheror as far as points go. I've been using it with the black box and have something like 80 points when I only had 40 kills, and only a few thousand healing. Wiki says you get a healing point every 600 healing so something's not adding up. I was wondering why it felt like I was doing a decent but not spectacular job and had more than double the points of the next player down.

Spacedad
Sep 11, 2001

We go play orbital catch around the curvature of the earth, son.

Dang!


I happen to have a clean one of those too - what should I do with it?


Also - every funhavers week because I buy piles 'o gifts for the server, I usually have a couple of mannco bonus item packages to unwrap.

During the funhavers event, my unwrap from the mannco store won me a 'the bear necessities' heavy hat. :stare:

Spacedad fucked around with this message at 16:18 on Dec 21, 2013

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty
Oh man, one thing people forgot to mention that happened during my absence was that Strange Grenade Launchers got rereleased. Sad I missed that.

Magypsy
Apr 2, 2010

People call me Pine! (Pine!)
Eastern Venus Space Police.
If there's slime, (There's slime!)
Involved in a crime, (Bad crime!)
We'll clean them up on the beat! (The beat!)

Spacedad posted:

Dang!


I happen to have a clean one of those too - what should I do with it?


Also - every funhavers week because I buy piles 'o gifts for the server, I usually have a couple of mannco bonus item packages to unwrap.

During the funhavers event, my unwrap from the mannco store won me a 'the bear necessities' heavy hat. :stare:

Sell it before the bubble burts in less than a day. The key to making money on these things is cashing out while people are impatient and willing to spend a key on a revolver than nobody will want within a week.

A shrubbery!
Jan 16, 2009
I LOOK DOWN ON MY REAL LIFE FRIENDS BECAUSE OF THEIR VIDEO GAME PURCHASING DECISIONS.

I'M THAT MUCH OF AN INSUFFERABLE SPERGLORD
I hope the Diamondback gets brought back a bit from where it now, in the hands of a good spy it's just unfair to everyone else.

1-800-DOCTORB
Nov 6, 2009
The Ambassador is basically the same thing as the Diamondback except you can make it crit anytime you want if you have good enough aim.

Reiley
Dec 16, 2007


BillehS posted:

The Ambassador is basically the same thing as the Diamondback except you can make it crit anytime you want if you have good enough aim.

Yeah the Diamondback crits are multiplied from a reduced per-bullet damage so I think its 103 per shot instead of 149 or whatever the stock crits for. It's a handsome gun that sounds cool to shoot so I am glad they made it more useful.

Magypsy
Apr 2, 2010

People call me Pine! (Pine!)
Eastern Venus Space Police.
If there's slime, (There's slime!)
Involved in a crime, (Bad crime!)
We'll clean them up on the beat! (The beat!)
I used to use the Diamondback a lot before, mainly because of how cool it sounds when you fire a crit shot. :black101: Before now, it was only really useful if the enemy team was full of Gunslinger Engies, but now it seems like a no-brainer. You can stab a pocket, then crit his Medic to death as you run away.

Otacon
Aug 13, 2002


ETF2L immediately banned Diamondback and Short Circuit, effective immediately.

HMMMMMMMM WHO WOULD HAVE GUESSED

firestruck
Dec 28, 2010

nullify me

Otacon posted:

ETF2L immediately banned Diamondback and Short Circuit, effective immediately.

HMMMMMMMM WHO WOULD HAVE GUESSED

I'd love to hear about the new and interesting things that could be brought into TF2 through these new weapons.

Erasing projectiles and receiving crits for Being A Spy seems like it would be, at best, tedious to play against.

qnqnx
Nov 14, 2010

Otacon posted:

ETF2L immediately banned Diamondback and Short Circuit, effective immediately.

HMMMMMMMM WHO WOULD HAVE GUESSED

I can actually think of a good reason for this but I'm still sure that it's because they're babies that hate change.

Ledgy
Aug 1, 2013

Up against the wall

Otacon posted:

ETF2L immediately banned Diamondback and Short Circuit, effective immediately.

HMMMMMMMM WHO WOULD HAVE GUESSED

Why the gently caress would they do that. They're still balanced to me :colbert:

Peanut President
Nov 5, 2008

by Athanatos

qnqnx posted:

I can actually think of a good reason for this but I'm still sure that it's because they're babies that hate change.

Pretty sure this is the actual reason.

edit: I mean it can't be as bad as the quickfix debacle can it?

Silentman0
Jul 11, 2005

I have a new neighbor. Heard he comes from far away

qnqnx posted:

I can actually think of a good reason for this but I'm still sure that it's because they're babies that hate change.

I'm sure it has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that they want to wait and see how it effects the game as a whole. That's definitely never happened in the history of competitive games, ever.

firestruck
Dec 28, 2010

nullify me

qnqnx posted:

I can actually think of a good reason for this but I'm still sure that it's because they're babies that hate change.

I, too, am sure that I can think of a balancing reason that those two weapons would not be allowed in competitive play, yet the league that has seen relative success over the course of sixteen (beginning its seventeenth in the new year) seasons is banning it because they are "babies that hate change."

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010

Otacon posted:

ETF2L immediately banned Diamondback and Short Circuit, effective immediately.

HMMMMMMMM WHO WOULD HAVE GUESSED

Do they also ban the Ambassador and the Wrangler?

Collateral Damage
Jun 13, 2009



:rimshot:

Collateral Damage fucked around with this message at 18:41 on Dec 21, 2013

EscortMission
Mar 4, 2009

Come with me
if you want to live.
I appreciate that Valve is taking the Brawl Minus approach to balancing. This time last year, there were broadly speaking only two real strategies for Spy (Dead Ringer vs Invis Watch, revolver was irrelevant). Now your playstyle is more defined by your loadout choices, which was the point of having loadouts in the first place.

At the same time, I could definitely see Diamondback being nerfed down to mini-crits and I have zero idea what is supposed to be happening with the Short Circuit here.

Otacon
Aug 13, 2002


Some people seem to think that Valve misplaced a 0 for the Short Circuit, like instead of being able to fire every .01 second it's supposed to be every .1 second or something. That I can definitely believe and can attribute to oversight.

The Diamondback change is pretty horrendous too.

HORRENDOUSLY FUN!

:getin:

qnqnx
Nov 14, 2010

Quotetype posted:

I, too, am sure that I can think of a balancing reason that those two weapons would not be allowed in competitive play, yet the league that has seen relative success over the course of sixteen (beginning its seventeenth in the new year) seasons is banning it because they are "babies that hate change."

Given their track records with bans, I stand for what I said.

Zero!
Apr 13, 2011

You're gonna have to try a little harder than THAT.
It's pretty standard practice in competitive games to ban new items that have the potential to completely change the way the game works until they've been tested properly, in this case to see if they're good for 6s/Highlander as well as pub games. I know some leagues may have a reputation for "ban nearly everything, whitelist a few things" but Highlander particularly tends to take a more relaxed approach, only banning things that really break the established TF2 metagame in a way that doesn't really improve the game. It's still pretty subjective but it's by no means a case of people being "babies that hate change".

You have to consider that Valve balances their weapons around 12v12 games and when there are competitive formats with half the amount of players, or even less in some games like Ultiduo, the balance doesn't always hold up.

A shrubbery!
Jan 16, 2009
I LOOK DOWN ON MY REAL LIFE FRIENDS BECAUSE OF THEIR VIDEO GAME PURCHASING DECISIONS.

I'M THAT MUCH OF AN INSUFFERABLE SPERGLORD

EscortMission posted:

At the same time, I could definitely see Diamondback being nerfed down to mini-crits and I have zero idea what is supposed to be happening with the Short Circuit here.

I'd bet the Diamondback will be knocked down to minicrits for everything, possibly minicrits for backstabs, full crits for buildings destroyed. As for the Short Circuit, I bet the firing speed is an oversight and it'll be made slower and given slightly more damage while keeping the reduced metal cost (only increased damage if they want it to be used to get kills as well as defending nests.) It only really needs to fire slightly faster than a soldier can fire rockets.

e: actually no that's silly.

Araxxor
Oct 20, 2012

My disdain for you all knows no bounds.
The problem with competitive TF2 is it needs a whitelist for the weapons allowed instead of a blacklist. So many of the weapons in the game don't add much, or just make for an overall negative experience. The game needs a ton of rules and restrictions to be playable in a competitive format, moreso than a lot of other games which are played competitively. Valve balances the game for pub play, not competitive play. That said, the buffs to the Short Circuit and the Diamondback seem a little ridiculous. The new Short Circuit is really fun though. I can actually see the kill icons for it now.

Johnny Joestar
Oct 21, 2010

Don't shoot him?

...
...



They could just reduce the 'cone' of effect that the Short Circuit uses and make it so that the Engineer actually has to vaguely point at the projectiles they want to destroy. Add a bit of challenge to it. Every potential issue solved, give me $20 in Steam cash Valve.

Collateral Damage
Jun 13, 2009

What happened to Valve's servers? The server list only shows ~15 of them instead of the normal hundreds and they all have terrible latency.

Otacon
Aug 13, 2002


Valve servers have shat the bed. Not just game servers, but their item servers, crafting servers, trade servers, and basically everything owned by Valve that has a CPU inside of it.

It's really bad for everyone, not just you.

Dr. VooDoo
May 4, 2006


Captain Invictus posted:

Oh man, one thing people forgot to mention that happened during my absence was that Strange Grenade Launchers got rereleased. Sad I missed that.

I have more than a few spares I'll just give you one!

Collateral Damage
Jun 13, 2009

Ugh, didn't realize how bad the UGC servers were until now when I tried to play on one. Two people on the other team using that lovely lamebox cheat, and the server has disabled all voting commands so we couldn't get rid of them.

Linkletter
Aug 4, 2004


Is one key insane? Isn't that what it cost to uncrate?

Petiso
Apr 30, 2012



So does this mean an engineer can pretty much trivialise many of those MvM waves with spamming robosoldiers and the like?

Otacon
Aug 13, 2002


Petiso posted:

So does this mean an engineer can pretty much trivialise many of those MvM waves with spamming robosoldiers and the like?

With full metal capacity upgrades + metal per second, yeah, probably. Someone should definitely test.

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Mercury Crusader
Apr 20, 2005

You know they say that all demons are created equal, but you look at me and you look at Pyro Jack and you can see that statement is not true, hee-ho!

Otacon posted:

With full metal capacity upgrades + metal per second, yeah, probably. Someone should definitely test.

I was in an MvM session with Nerdbot and he seemed like he was able to shut down giant rapid fire demomen and soldiers a good amount of the time, allowing me to use my projectile shield elsewhere. Not sure how his upgrade path was, though.

Paging Nerdbot.

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