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I've got a similar question to Pan Ache's, but it's regarding Vintage instead of Legacy: there's a full-proxy Vintage event I might be able to go to, and I was wondering what deck you guys would recommend to someone who has essentially zero experience with the eternal formats, has only been playing since M13/RTR (dabbling in a few of the DotP games before that), and primarily plays draft? I know that being a proxy tournament, this event allows an opportunity for me to get to play with the most powerful and expensive cards in Magic and as far as I know, control is the archetype that embodies that, but I don't think it would be a good idea for me to play control since I don't know the card base at all. I was thinking about MUD since that's pretty straightforward aggro, but I heard it has decently high variance. So, if anyone has any recommendations, I'm all ears.
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Zoness posted:Here's a LED one and here's a Manaless one. How big a hit would I take swapping Sphinxes in for Griselbrands?
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I found this decklist for Long, which needs some revisions since it's got 4x LED & Brainstorm. Would you recommend working off of this, or something more current like Burning Oath? Should I also try and fit in Hurkyl's Recall against decks running Thorn of Amethyst and other decelerators? Any other advice on piloting the deck?
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Pan Ache posted:I've been looking at learning doomsday tendrils I play this deck. Not only is it the hardest deck in Legacy, it is also a serious pain in the rear end. This is the only deck I've ever played where I might end a four round tournament with a headache. Imagine how I felt at the end of GP DC. The deck can be rewarding, but I've been playing it for the last six months or so, and that is only scratching the surface of learning the deck properly. I'm still learning. Tl;dr play something else unless you want to devote your life to mastering this deck
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What a Judas posted:I play this deck. Not only is it the hardest deck in Legacy, it is also a serious pain in the rear end. This is the only deck I've ever played where I might end a four round tournament with a headache. Imagine how I felt at the end of GP DC. The deck can be rewarding, but I've been playing it for the last six months or so, and that is only scratching the surface of learning the deck properly. I'm still learning. / [ASK] me about going 0-3 drop at SCG Baltimore (I'm kidding What a Judas ilu)
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AgentSythe posted:_____________________________ I wasn't playing Doomsday yet!
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You have to start simple, with something like Solidarity 
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Just play Dredge. You know you want to.
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Sampatrick posted:Just play Dredge. You know you want to. Dredge is awesome because even if you don't do well, you'll at least have ruined someone's day.
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Zoness posted:Dredge is awesome because even if you don't do well, you'll at least have ruined someone's day. Most fast combos can do that, but somehow it's even more likely with Dredge. A buddy of mine played Beeri0s (Cheeri0s with Beck//Call in addition to Glimpse, also we optimized and heavily tested the list over beers) at SCG Minneapolis, killed an ANT player t1 twice, and the guy almost refused to shake his hand. It was hilarious.
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I've yet to kill someone t1 with dredge (mostly because there isn't much opportunity for me to play it), but I am looking forward to the day it finally happens.
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Oldsrocket_27 posted:Most fast combos can do that, but somehow it's even more likely with Dredge. A buddy of mine played Beeri0s (Cheeri0s with Beck//Call in addition to Glimpse, also we optimized and heavily tested the list over beers) at SCG Minneapolis, killed an ANT player t1 twice, and the guy almost refused to shake his hand. It was hilarious. Can you post his 75? That sounds wonderful / hilarious.
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Shavnir posted:Can you post his 75? That sounds wonderful / hilarious. I'm not sure I have his exact since it's been a while since we built it, but it's similar to this: 4 Glimpse 3 Beck//Call 2 Scapegoat 4 Elvish Spirit Guide 4 Lotus Petal 1 Gemstone Mine 4(?) Summoner's Pact 1(?) Mox Opal 1 Wild Cantor 1 Grapeshot (Lab Maniac in SB for game 2, sometimes both g2/3) 4 Street Wraith 4 Gitaxian Probe A Whole Buncha' Cheerios Keys to not fizzling: Always remember to announce triggers. Always use GitPro or Wraith before playing a Cheerio until you have the second Glimpse effect online, then save them as long as possible to you don't deck yourself if your wincon is in your last few cards of your deck. To be fair, he also had some really cool opponents at the tourney too, including a poor guy playing Death and Taxes who never got to play, and spent his time counting storm to keep himself busy, and a Countertop player who had to top, fetch, top, fetch, top to find a two-drop for Beck//Call and had a blast sweating it out. My buddy actually did better than I did (playing Burrito) record-wise, but I played pretty badly a few times.
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Zoness posted:Dredge is awesome because even if you don't do well, you'll at least have ruined someone's day. I never did understand why people hate Dredge so much. It's a cool deck, what's not to love about it?
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Sampatrick posted:I never did understand why people hate Dredge so much. It's a cool deck, what's not to love about it? Dredge is one of the most solitaire-style decks in MtG. Even more than SnT or Storm. Think about it like this: How do you normally break up other combo decks? Targeted discard? Don't make me laugh. Force of Will? Dredge can win without ever casting a spell. Wasteland+Port? Dredge doesn't care. Dredge requires specific hosers to stop it and might just draw the nuts and win anyway. It can be fun to play occasionally, but when you are sitting accross the table from it, you are often just wondering whether or not they just randomed a hand that beats yours regardless of how or what you play.
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Toshimo posted:Dredge is one of the most solitaire-style decks in MtG. Even more than SnT or Storm. You break up dredge with cards like Deathrite Shaman and similar. Nowadays there is more interaction in the match up than you would expect.
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Sampatrick posted:You break up dredge with cards like Deathrite Shaman and similar. Nowadays there is more interaction in the match up than you would expect. There's also bolting your own creatures to exile their bridges! vvv I dunno - I've been mostly running manaless since I'm still working on getting my LED's for the mana'd version. Offhand I'd think losing Grizzlebee's is a pretty big loss because options, but Sphinx is probably fine if you're okay with only dredging like, 15-18 cards off a dread return. Zoness fucked around with this message at 18:28 on Dec 24, 2013 |
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Toshimo posted:How big a hit would I take swapping Sphinxes in for Griselbrands? Zoness....
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Toshimo posted:I have obviously never played a game of Legacy Dude, there are tons of ways to interact with Dredge, intelligent use of counters and removal can disrupt or completely stop their engine and win you the game. Ciprian Maricon fucked around with this message at 18:04 on Dec 24, 2013 |
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Hauki posted:Yo, I moved to denver like 6 mos. ago and have no idea what/where any of the good shops are. Suggestions? I have a couple legacy and modern decks built although I haven't played either format in some time. Otherwise I draft or cube, used to play standard but haven't kept up since theros release. The places to go in the Denver Metro area that I know of are Denver Central Games in southeast Denver for weekly Legacy and Modern events (and draft every day of the week) and Black Gold in Littleton for weekly Legacy and 10-card proxy Vintage events that happen once a month. I also recommend going to Colorado Card & Coin in Arvada if you want to pick up other eternal-format cards as well.
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Here's a theory question: just tried loving around on cockatrice for the first time in a year so I decided to run something simple like fish while trying to learn the ui and gameflow again. Most games were vs death and taxes. Guy wanted to play a different deck so I tried to load up jund. How does jund play this matchup? It seems like death and taxes has enough ways to interrupt your plan early that few of my cards were just direct outs. A few times I had to choose between things like laying lili unprotected or developing my board, or hitting him with hymn. In general, I was just inexperienced with the deck and there were enough viable lines that I didn't know what plays were relevant.
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Does anyone that reads this thread play Splinter Twin in Modern?
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ScarletBrother posted:Does anyone that reads this thread play Splinter Twin in Modern? I played a match against a guy who used Splinter Twin with Deceiver Exarch. A cheap combo, but my tactic involved using Myr Galvanizer with Myr Propagator and Palladium Myr so I'm not a liberty to complain. I lost that round, but I still won the match. 
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ScarletBrother posted:Does anyone that reads this thread play Splinter Twin in Modern? I started playing just a stock UR version a few months ago.
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I'm currently building this list: Creatures (12) 2 Spellskite 4 Deceiver Exarch 4 Pestermite 3 Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker Lands (23) 3 Island 1 Mountain 1 Breeding Pool 1 Cascade Bluffs 1 Desolate Lighthouse 4 Misty Rainforest 4 Scalding Tarn 4 Steam Vents 4 Sulfur Falls Spells (25) 4 Splinter Twin 4 Boomerang 4 Dispel 4 Remand 4 Serum Visions 4 Sleight of Hand Sideboard 3 Blood Moon 3 Ancient Grudge 2 Combust 1 Counterflux 3 Mizzium Skin 3 Anger of the God's I like to keep copies of other maindeck and sideboard cards handy to switch around depending on matchups I anticipate, but I have no idea where to start with this deck. I don't even know how to sideboard. Any advice?
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Sampatrick posted:Don't play 4 copies of sulfur falls What would you run instead? A basic?
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ScarletBrother posted:What would you run instead? A basic? I'd use Shivan Reef, I play those in my Storm deck, since I am too cheap for fetches and need lands that come untapped. The life loss may or may not be relevant.
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Has anyone played that W/R Twin deck that was floating around in this thread awhile ago? I'm looking to pick something up for GP Richmond, but do not play a lot of Modern so I have no idea wtf. I know about the major decks (and might just fold and slap together Tron) but if anyone played that deck in particular, some insight would be cool.
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AgentSythe posted:Has anyone played that W/R Twin deck that was floating around in this thread awhile ago? I'm looking to pick something up for GP Richmond, but do not play a lot of Modern so I have no idea wtf. I know about the major decks (and might just fold and slap together Tron) but if anyone played that deck in particular, some insight would be cool. I did some testing of it a while back- Gravy Train Robber posted:I just got done testing W/R Twin earlier today with a buddy. Didn't try the mirror/with U/R Twin, but tested against UWR Control and had a really good matchup pre and post board. But haven't touched it since, really. I'm not entirely certain its worth cutting blue in favour of white in the majority of matchups. I do most of my eternal testing in Cockatrice, and haven't seen the deck crop up at all besides the time right after GP Antwerp.
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I think it was mostly a meta-decision of making a twin version that does better against Jund/Affinity. I'm not sure about those matchups in particular but W/R twin has a better beatdown plan than U/R twin and arguably better removal against big guys.
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WR Twin also notably has both Silence and Dawn Charm available to it to protect its combo, and a nice roadblock in Big Recks that can also do some combo-winning of his own with a Harvest Pyre here and there.
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please spread the nickname "Big Recks." Some other possibilities: Recks Ryan, Deus Recks, Bang a Gong (Get it on) - T. Recks
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AgentSythe posted:please spread the nickname "Big Recks." Some other possibilities: Recks Ryan, Deus Recks, Bang a Gong (Get it on) - T. Recks Naya midrange with Deus of Calamity, Reckoner, and some artifacts = Deus Recks Machina
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AgentSythe posted:please spread the nickname "Big Recks." Some other possibilities: Recks Ryan, Deus Recks, Bang a Gong (Get it on) - T. Recks I know I started it in my area (2 shops), but recently I heard two people who I've never played playing and one called the other's reckoner "Big Recks" so I think it's taking.
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AgentSythe posted:please spread the nickname "Big Recks." Some other possibilities: Recks Ryan, Deus Recks, Bang a Gong (Get it on) - T. Recks Personally I'm a fan of Recking Bull.
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So anyone, building off of that W/R Twin post: is anyone planning on going to GP Richmond? Additionally, does anyone test Modern with any regularity on Cockatrice? I just got it all set up and I can keep track of usernames in this post if we want to get a test group together. I'll start with mine. Cool Dudes with Rad 'Tudes lithiux GTRobber IDDQD Johnny Five-Jaces fucked around with this message at 04:11 on Jan 8, 2014 |
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I do a lot of Modern testing on Cockatrice, as GTRobber. I haven't really been on recently, but would be happy to help test if a time got set up.
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So I've been wanting to play faeries in Legacy because I love bitterblossom, been tinkering around with a decklist: 3x Gitaxian Probe 3x Cabal Therapy 4x Hymn to Tourach 4x Bitterblossom 4x Spellstutter Sprite 3x Vendilion Clique 2x Scion of Oona 1x Mistbind Clique 2x Umezawa's Jitte 2x Jace, the Mind Sculptor 3x Daze 3x Spell Pierce 4x Ancestral Vision 22x lands of questionable origin I'm trying to decide if spot removal like Go for the Throat or something would be better than Daze, mostly since I hate drawing daze lategame and running it means I have to run islands, which means lots of  . Otherwise I could run like Darkslick Shores and Secluded Glen.Basic logic is: Cabal Therapy gets fed easily by Bitterblossom Scion of Oona is totally legacy playable I promise Ancestral Vision costs less than Bob Mind Sculptor and Hymn are too good not to run also I have the jaces already Thoughts?
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