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He's the most dangerous man in Dorne for crying out loud!
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The books mostly call him DARK STAR. Does he have that sword, or is it languishing somewhere?
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Jan 8, 2014 18:49
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Which sword? Arthur Dayne whom everyone always talks about used to wield Dawn which was neither magical nor valyrian steel as far as we know, I don't recall the books mentioning what happened to it but Ned probably delivered it to Ashara. Are you thinking of Dark Sister? The Targaryen valyrian blade? It was last wielded by Bloodraven when he was hand of the king, its current whereabouts are unknown.
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Jan 8, 2014 19:01
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I was thinking of dawn. Not special/magic? Huh.
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Jan 8, 2014 19:05
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I read the wiki for it and apparently it's forged of meteorite steel and is just as sharp as valyrian steel so it's a Conan the Barbarian ripoff.
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Jan 8, 2014 19:11
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emanresu tnuocca posted:Which sword? Arthur Dayne whom everyone always talks about used to wield Dawn which was neither magical nor valyrian steel as far as we know, I don't recall the books mentioning what happened to it but Ned probably delivered it to Ashara. I definitely remember reading that Ned made a trip to Dorne after Tower of Joy in order to return Arthur Dayne's sword to his house after the sack of King's Landing, but I can't remember where I read that.
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Jan 8, 2014 19:23
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It's the discussion when he tells Ashara Dayne about his betrothal to Cat and she throws herself out of the tower.
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Jan 8, 2014 19:27
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http://winteriscoming.net/2014/01/season-4-casting-notes-roundup/ Well, looks like were gonna have a certain scene at an Inn this upcoming season. I mean we knew that, but looks like Arya will get Needle back too.  Other fun stuff in there too, such as it looking like one of Dany's final Season 4 scenes could involve a certain man suffering at the hands of her increasingly crazy dragons.
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Jan 8, 2014 19:35
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I think about this series when I'm driving, and I just realized that Howland Reed could have thrown a net over the Kingsguard guy that would have killed Ned, allowing Ned to somewhat dishonorably finish him off while he was incapacitated, hence his not wanting to talk about it afterwards. I've heard it suggested that he momentarily warged into the guy, but that doesn't line up with the idea that
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Jan 8, 2014 21:45
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I don't think Ned warged into anyone or anything but Bran is definitely not unique in his ability to warg into people, at least not in the novels (in the show Jojen suggests it's unique). Varamyr attempts to warg into that wildling lady and it is pretty clear from his chapter that other skingchangers could and would warg into humans and it happened enough times for other skinchangers to view it as 'the greatest abomination'.
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Jan 8, 2014 21:48
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Yeah I edited that part out after a quick check reminded me that the show and the books are different. Speaking of Howland, a Reddit poster suggested that maybe Dayne mortally wounded Reed, who then warged into his body to flee death, which would explain his self seclusion.
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Jan 8, 2014 22:05
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timp posted:I definitely remember reading that Ned made a trip to Dorne after Tower of Joy in order to return Arthur Dayne's sword to his house after the sack of King's Landing, but I can't remember where I read that.
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Jan 8, 2014 22:24
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CapnAndy posted:Ned made that trip and Ashara Dayne threw herself off of a tower shortly thereafter. Why he made the trip and what made Ashara kill herself are unknown and hotly debated by other characters. Ashara died a comic book death, too. Her body was never found (because she's still alive).
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Jan 9, 2014 00:01
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Marijuana posted:Ashara died a comic book death, too. Her body was never found (because she's still alive).
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Jan 9, 2014 01:50
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Wouldn't Tyrion have said something about the violet eyes at some point? Not buying the Lemore = Ashara theory. Her descriptions seem to indicate that the real mystery is whose mother she is.
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Jan 9, 2014 01:57
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emanresu tnuocca posted:Wouldn't Tyrion have said something about the violet eyes at some point? Not buying the Lemore = Ashara theory. Her descriptions seem to indicate that the real mystery is whose mother she is. I figured she was Fake Aegon's mother. But perhaps not.
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Jan 9, 2014 02:27
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Yureina posted:I figured she was Fake Aegon's mother. But perhaps not. I like the theory that she's the septa that gave birth to Tyene, honestly.
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Jan 9, 2014 02:45
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GRRM has a new sample chapter on his website!  It's for Wild Cards, bitches.
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Jan 9, 2014 03:08
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Ballz posted:GRRM has a new sample chapter on his website! Oh you son of a bitch...
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Jan 9, 2014 03:09
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He doesn't actually write the Wildcards stuff himself, right? Because that would be a serious case of not knowing bread/butter/side etc
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Jan 9, 2014 11:38
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Professor Shark posted:He doesn't actually write the Wildcards stuff himself, right? It's an anthology written by a bunch of other people that he sort of supervises. Oh, no wait, I mean, HURF DURF GURM WILD CARDS FAT OLD NO NEW ASOIAF HURF DURF
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Jan 9, 2014 14:00
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CapnAndy posted:Ned made that trip and Ashara Dayne threw herself off of a tower shortly thereafter. Why he made the trip and what made Ashara kill herself are unknown and hotly debated by other characters. It's obviously because Ned turned up to take their son, Jon, away from her, only days after he killed her brother. God, don't you guys catch anything?  Anyways, if Gerold has a special sword, he's obviously calling it Dusk. He is of the night, after all.
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Jan 9, 2014 18:20
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Or Earchopper.
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Jan 9, 2014 19:57
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Don't you mean "Tyson"?
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Jan 9, 2014 20:12
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Dark Star is so terribly camp, i am always half expecting him to turn the book into a musical every time his name shows up: I am vengeance ! I am of the NIGHT ! I AM DARK STAR! Dark star! (DARK STAR)(DARK STAR) I gave a scar to a princess! (scar to a princessssss)
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Jan 9, 2014 22:15
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:Don't you mean "Tyson"? I considered that, but Tyson took a grown man's ear. Darkstar only chopped up a little girl's face, so he doesn't seem to be on the same level.
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Jan 9, 2014 23:11
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It's nuts to me how intent people are on making fun of Darkstar, given he's in so little of the book and it's obvious (to me, at least) that the book's making fun of him as much as everyone else is.
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Jan 9, 2014 23:18
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No it isn't, it's just so bad that it appears to be a parody.
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Jan 9, 2014 23:25
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BrooklynBruiser posted:It's nuts to me how intent people are on making fun of Darkstar, given he's in so little of the book and it's obvious (to me, at least) that the book's making fun of him as much as everyone else is. Well you see, it's pretty obvious (to everyone else) that you're wrong and that the books want you to think that Darkstar is cool as poo poo, dangerous like hell and sexy as gently caress. The only things that make Darkstar such a funny character to reminisce about is how he is hailed as 'the most dangerous man in dorne' when his only accomplishment to date is failing to kill an unaware little girl iand the fact that GRRM has been vicariously quoted stating how surprised he is about people not liking Darkstar as he wanted him to basically be the second incarnation of Oberyn Martell.
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Jan 9, 2014 23:25
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emanresu tnuocca posted:Well you see, it's pretty obvious (to everyone else) that you're wrong and that the books want you to think that Darkstar is cool as poo poo, dangerous like hell and sexy as gently caress. Well, I haven't seen any of the GRRM interviews, so I suppose I'm wrong, but when I was reading it was obvious to me that he was supposed to be the guy who's kinda pathetic, but has a pack of sycophantic friends who talk him up to the point that he starts to believe his poo poo doesn't stink.
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Jan 9, 2014 23:28
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Doesn't Gerry even have the identical-but-inverse hair to Oberyn? Like, Oberyn has black hair with a white streak and Gerry's is white with a black streak? Or am I just totally pulling things out of my rear end?
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Jan 9, 2014 23:28
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emanresu tnuocca posted:Well you see, it's pretty obvious (to everyone else) that you're wrong and that the books want you to think that Darkstar is cool as poo poo, dangerous like hell and sexy as gently caress. With Darkstar, you hear that he's a badass, and in the very small amount of time he's actually shown on the page he's brooding and reclusive. He succeeds at nothing. JT Jag fucked around with this message at 23:33 on Jan 9, 2014 |
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Jan 9, 2014 23:30
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BrooklynBruiser posted:Well, I haven't seen any of the GRRM interviews, so I suppose I'm wrong, but when I was reading it was obvious to me that he was supposed to be the guy who's kinda pathetic, but has a pack of sycophantic friends who talk him up to the point that he starts to believe his poo poo doesn't stink. Those people he hangs out with in the single chapter he appears in are not his friends, they are Arianne's entourage and she has thinks about how some of them warned her not to let him tag along, later on she also thinks about how hot he is and how they could have the prettiest children in all of Westeros only he's too much of a bad boy to be trusted. In a later chapter she is scolded by Doran for consorting with "The most dangerous man in Dorne" aka Darkstar. So yeah, no. The books intend you to basically think "Who is that cool bad boy character! I can't wait to hear more about him and find out what he's really up to!" Blade_of_tyshalle posted:Doesn't Gerry even have the identical-but-inverse hair to Oberyn? Like, Oberyn has black hair with a white streak and Gerry's is white with a black streak? Or am I just totally pulling things out of my rear end? Close Enough! quote:Gerold Dayne has an aquiline nose, high cheekbones and a strong jaw. He keeps his face clean-shaven. He has thick silver hair that falls to his collar like a silver glacier, divided by a streak of midnight black. quote:Oberyn has a lined face with thin eyebrows, black "viper" eyes and a sharp nose.[2] His hair is lustrous and black with only a few silver streaks and recedes from his brow into a widow's peak emanresu tnuocca fucked around with this message at 23:47 on Jan 9, 2014 |
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Jan 9, 2014 23:33
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JT Jag posted:It's really a show-not-tell deal I think. Oberyn was a badass. We saw it. He made the most of every time he appeared on the page, right up to the moment he died. He was also supremely competent and died having fulfilled every one of his goals, especially if you believe the theory that he poisoned Tywin, and I do. So maybe I'm dense or I missed something, but we keep talking about Oberyn poisoning Tywin. At first I thought it was a typo for Gregor or something but we keep talking about it like it's a thing. Is this a thing? Can someone please explain the thing to me slowly?
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Jan 9, 2014 23:50
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Darkstar   Nicol Bolas posted:So maybe I'm dense or I missed something, but we keep talking about Oberyn poisoning Tywin. At first I thought it was a typo for Gregor or something but we keep talking about it like it's a thing. Is this a thing? Can someone please explain the thing to me slowly? It's linked in the OP.
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Jan 9, 2014 23:52
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Nicol Bolas posted:So maybe I'm dense or I missed something, but we keep talking about Oberyn poisoning Tywin. At first I thought it was a typo for Gregor or something but we keep talking about it like it's a thing. Is this a thing? Can someone please explain the thing to me slowly?
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Jan 9, 2014 23:54
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Nicol Bolas posted:So maybe I'm dense or I missed something, but we keep talking about Oberyn poisoning Tywin. At first I thought it was a typo for Gregor or something but we keep talking about it like it's a thing. Is this a thing? Can someone please explain the thing to me slowly? - When Jaime returns to King's Landing, he is surprised to hear that Tywin is eating with Mace Tyrell and Oberyn Martell. - Later, Oberyn pointedly mentions to Tyrion that Tywin might not live forever. A shiver goes down Tyrion's spine. - Oberyn comments that no one knows more about poison than himself. - During Tyrion's trial, Pycelle reveals that a poison called Widow's Blood has been stolen from his chambers. He notes that Widow's Blood shuts down the body's bladder and bowels and causes the person to eventually die from constipation. - At the end of ASOS, Tyrion finds Tywin on the privy. When Tyrion shoot him in the groin, poo poo bursts out. - At Tywin's funeral, his corpse is almost supernaturally pungent and is visibly rotting even though Tywin has only being dead for a short time.
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Jan 9, 2014 23:56
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Apparently the two weirdos from Westeros.org said that that theory is 'utter nonsense' - http://boiledleather.com/post/31921132635/did-oberyn-poison-tywin-the-case-against Since they're in cahoots with George it might mean that they got it from him, on the other hand those weirdos haven't even read all of the books so if it isn't straight from the George's mouth then their debunk is completely worthless. emanresu tnuocca fucked around with this message at 00:17 on Jan 10, 2014 |
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Jan 9, 2014 23:57
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I prefer to think those people don't exist. She really creeps me out.
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I just don't understand the point of this being a plot revelation. Like...Tywin's dead and so is Oberyn. There's no reason to reveal he was poisoned. Plus, as is mentioned in that Boiled Leather link, it kinda mucks with their plan for Tywin. The destruction of House Lannister isn't as awesome as an act of vengeance if the man obsessed with their standing who caused the death of the people they're avenging dies while he thinks House Lannister has won.
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