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Why do you tempt me so, game?! I don't have enough slots to have a weapon, shield, bow, catalyst, talisman and pyromancies!
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Jack Trades posted:Why do you tempt me so, game?! You will in Dark Souls II~
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Jan 14, 2014 01:50
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You also could have in Demon's Souls given that there are items that let you do those last three together. Wrong time, wrong place, friend. 
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Jan 14, 2014 01:56
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Genocyber posted:You will in Dark Souls II~ After watching Kay's videos, I hope they just drop all the classes, start you at level 1 with low-rear end stats and make you work your way upward from there. I didn't realize how rewarding every little treasure from mobs could feel until I saw the deprived in action.
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Jan 14, 2014 08:44
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Mordaedil posted:After watching Kay's videos, I hope they just drop all the classes, start you at level 1 with low-rear end stats and make you work your way upward from there. One of my favorite things about starting Deprived is how every random weapon and armor drop is actually useful. Once during a trial zwei run, I was just barely not killing ents with the R2 vertical smash, so I'd flatten them then throw a knife to finish them off. Really enhanced the feeling of using all your resources just to survive, that seems to get lost after your first character and you start min/maxing things to suit your preferences.
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Takes No Damage posted:One of my favorite things about starting Deprived is how every random weapon and armor drop is actually useful. Once during a trial zwei run, I was just barely not killing ents with the R2 vertical smash, so I'd flatten them then throw a knife to finish them off. Really enhanced the feeling of using all your resources just to survive, that seems to get lost after your first character and you start min/maxing things to suit your preferences. I don't get this post. The Deprived is no different than any other starting class.
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Jan 14, 2014 18:01
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Genocyber posted:I don't get this post. The Deprived is no different than any other starting class. Except that they get no armor at all and only a bit of a stick and plank shield, meaning you have to scrounge everything instead of having a more solid starting off, leading to a different starting play experience that might work more for somebodies tastes. Yeah, other than that, exactly the same 
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Jan 14, 2014 18:17
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Magmarashi posted:Except that they get no armor at all and only a bit of a stick and plank shield, meaning you have to scrounge everything instead of having a more solid starting off, leading to a different starting play experience that might work more for somebodies tastes. Yeah, other than that, exactly the same Except within 20 minutes of play in the undead berg you can fully outfit yourself with starting gear so that experience only lasts as long as the tutorial.
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Jan 14, 2014 18:26
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Magmarashi posted:Except that they get no armor at all and only a bit of a stick and plank shield, meaning you have to scrounge everything instead of having a more solid starting off. Yeah, other than that, exactly the same Functionally they are no different, being deprived doesn't make finding a sword on a body some kind of life saving nectar. Every class has access to the undead merchant super front loaded in the game who sells all kinds of weapons and shields for dirt cheap. Basically what I'm saying is that the deprived is just like every other starting class. Pretend I put a condescending emote here for you.
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Jan 14, 2014 18:26
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Except when you pick deprived as your starting class when you're going into the game blind, you're making things ten times harder on yourself. Yeah, when you know what you're doing it's barely a handicap (and may actually be an advantage, as I believe deprived actually has the best total stats to SL ratio), but when you don't have a clue, deprived makes it harder. I picked deprived my first time with the game and gave up after a while. I picked bandit afterwards and noticed that the game was a million times easier.
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Jan 14, 2014 18:29
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Deprived is like a blank canvas, aren't all their stats at 11? And yeah, there's really no disadvantage I see aside from no armor but that doesn't really matter early game, even blind, you're squishy as hell.
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Jan 14, 2014 18:31
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inthesto posted:Except when you pick deprived as your starting class when you're going into the game blind, you're making things ten times harder on yourself. Yeah, when you know what you're doing it's barely a handicap (and may actually be an advantage, as I believe deprived actually has the best total stats to SL ratio), but when you don't have a clue, deprived makes it harder. That's because you were better at playing by the time you had a bandit, and you might have been more motivated by not being a stick of beef jerky with a stick and some boards.
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Jan 14, 2014 18:38
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If you ignore resistance, every starting class has the same total amount of stat points for their respective SL (so a SL3 sorcerer will have 2 more total non-resistance stat points than a SL1 pyromancer). So you're technically slightly better off with a class that starts with higher resistance, but then again it's resistance so whatever. More importantly, you're better off with a class that has higher stats in the stats your build will care about, and lower stats in the stats your build won't care about. Also sorcerer, pyromancer, and cleric get a freebie spell each in addition to the spells that everyone can get throughout the game. And thief starts with master key regardless of your gift choice. But that's really it. And none of those are remotely game-breaking differences. It really boils down to "play whatever the gently caress you want".
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Mordaedil posted:After watching Kay's videos, I hope they just drop all the classes, start you at level 1 with low-rear end stats and make you work your way upward from there. DS2 won't have classes, the character creation instead involves a handful of questions you answer which determine your starting stats.
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Jan 14, 2014 18:51
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I'd argue Deprived is one of the better classes to start as, save for stat min/maxing purposes. The Club is a very good weapon, being stronger and more poise damaging than the other starting weapons (aside from Battle Axe and Hand Axe), you start with fastroll so you're probably going to question changes in roll speed, unlike people who start with Knight and have fatroll from the getgo, and having a crappy shield is going to force you to learn how to dodge a bit earlier, at least until you get a better shield.
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Jan 14, 2014 18:54
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I've been playing for a while and it just dawned on me: What the hell is Petrus wearing? I don't recall any armor set like it in the game. (also worn by Vince and Nico, if I recall correctly)
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p1ngas posted:I've been playing for a while and it just dawned on me: It's the Elite Cleric set, and you don't get to use that unless you hack the game for it.
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Jan 14, 2014 19:17
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p1ngas posted:I've been playing for a while and it just dawned on me: Everyone should have a look at this if they haven't seen some of this stuff before http://darksouls.wikidot.com/unused-content
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Jan 14, 2014 19:20
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  I think that's my first real hatemail. 
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omeg posted:
Man, that's pretty great. What were you doing to get this kind of ire?
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Genocyber posted:you start with fastroll so you're probably going to question changes in roll speed, unlike people who start with Knight and have fatroll from the getgo Yeah, I think this is one of the most important points about starting your first playthrough with deprived. I've seen a lot of people playing who go ages before they realize that they can reduce load (and without realizing how huge fast roll is). I do agree that for someone new, deprived can make the game a lot more intimidating ("omg, I have no armor"), especially since they don't know that all that stuff is 20 minutes away. Gazaar posted:Everyone should have a look at this if they haven't seen some of this stuff before http://darksouls.wikidot.com/unused-content That's pretty cool--thanks for linking that! It's interesting that they had the New Londo ruins actually locked up at one point. Also that blind ghost ring would nerf it sooo hard...I'm glad they got rid of that. I'd also wear that bear armor.
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aas Bandit posted:That's pretty cool--thanks for linking that! It's interesting that they had the New Londo ruins actually locked up at one point. Also that blind ghost ring would nerf it sooo hard...I'm glad they got rid of that. I love the idea that they were going to do so much more with Shiva. Looks like it could have been really cool. Alan Smithee posted:i should probably change my GFWL username
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hoobajoo posted:Man, that's pretty great. What were you doing to get this kind of ire? Smough armor with child mask, iron flesh, dark hand. Not much except that, of course the usual lloyds/dung/poison knives. I think he was in the Parish.
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Jan 14, 2014 20:26
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As part my eternal bid to never actually finish this goddamn game ever, I can now attest that the Large Club is as great as everyone says it is. I might swap out for the Dragon Tooth when I get there (as I'm trying to play, broadly, Ms. Havel The Rock). Might.
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I love watching first time playthroughs of this game.  e: it's over Sanctum fucked around with this message at 23:19 on Jan 14, 2014 |
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Jan 14, 2014 21:49
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Got my first taste of pvp last night running through the Depths. First guy invaded me while I was futzing around with my weapon slots, and was stuck fighting him with the stupid Gargoyle axe that I don't care for. He threw poop at me a bunch but I dodged it, then got backed into a slime or two and died. Second guy had all spiky armor but I had my proper sword (Astora's Longsword I think it's called, from the valley of drakes) and I poked him in the face a lot until he died. That was very fun. 3rd guy I never saw. I was making my way through the sewer maze to try and get to the boss when he came in, but I have no idea where he spawned. I waited around for a few minutes to try and ambush him but he never found me. He might have been trying the same thing. But I made it to the boss room and he got booted out. Now I just gotta try and get this horrible dragon monstrosity down, with the help of my jolly co-operation buddies Solaire and Lautrec.
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Kerrrrrrr posted:Second guy had all spiky armor but I had my proper sword (Astora's Longsword I think it's called, from the valley of drakes) and I poked him in the face a lot until he died. That was very fun. That was dark knight kirk an npc  .
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Nuclearmonkee posted:That was dark knight kirk an npc Aww now I feel like a dumb babby. I even read that bit in the OP, but didn't pay attention to the name in-game. Oh well.
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Kerrrrrrr posted:Now I just gotta try and get this horrible dragon monstrosity down, with the help of my jolly co-operation buddies Solaire and Lautrec. They are pretty terrible in that fight. It's easier to go solo.
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Jan 14, 2014 22:52
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Dark Souls players seem to be quite nice most of the time. One player who invaded me let me finish killing a Black Knight before murdering me and after that he gave me some good advice. Another one was invading me but somehow ended up being summoned as white phantom so he helped me kill the drake and gave me some nice gear.
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Jack Trades posted:Dark Souls players seem to be quite nice most of the time. I've only played on PC, but seens plenty of PS3 streamers. I've noted that PC players tend to be much friendlier and yes, you often find that you get a good bit of e-bushido online.
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Followup on the questions I was asking before. I pressed on to the gargoyles (gently caress those guys it took ages) and then went back and kicked Havel's rear end no problem. Solaire also helpfully got me the tail axe from the Gargoyles which I'm now rocking and it rules so much 
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Gazaar posted:Everyone should have a look at this if they haven't seen some of this stuff before http://darksouls.wikidot.com/unused-content
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The issue would be that its power would be fixed, most likely. Quite hard to balance.
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Jan 14, 2014 23:42
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Is there any way to see where NPC summoning signs are, without checking all the summoning signs? I can't summon players because of my NAT bullshit. EDIT: I meant, is there any visual difference between normal and NPC summoning signs.
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Hmmm? Usually if you can be invaded, you can summon. Why can't you set your NAT properly?
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Tallgeese posted:Hmmm? Usually if you can be invaded, you can summon. Why can't you set your NAT properly? I don't have access to the router my internet connection goes through. It's not even in my apartment.
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Sex Robot posted:I've only played on PC, but seens plenty of PS3 streamers. I've noted that PC players tend to be much friendlier and yes, you often find that you get a good bit of e-bushido online. When I see a Drake Sword I'll drop some chunks or large shards for them. Or equipment I can't use as SL1. People love DKS drops. Then it's time to get pooped on.
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Jack Trades posted:Is there any way to see where NPC summoning signs are, without checking all the summoning signs? There's no visual difference between normal and NPC summoning signs, but NPC summoning signs will generally be out near the boss door somewhere while player summon signs are usually placed at the nearest bonfire.
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