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Keith, were you talking about that dumb thing on 4chan and reddit where people will talk using poo poo like > Go to an internet forum > Post unfunny things > Get laughed off the forum Because that's annoying as all hell.
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I never understood why that was a thing either, but thinking about it I get the impression that it is supposed to be a stream of consciousness retelling of events intended to make you identify with them and follow what they were thinking about. It mostly comes across as a really lazy way to tell things though. I didn't play Mario Kart as a kid, but rather a PC game called Wacky Wheels which was about 90% the same experience. The main difference is that you had more and better weapons (for example instead of picking up coins, you picked up hedgehogs which are your ammo) and it made the battle mode so fun that we'd play it for hours. Here's a screenshot of player 2 blowing up player 1, it is not a straight ripoff but it is still pretty obvious they were trying to make their own Mario Kart. 
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Jan 18, 2014 13:16
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There were at least three separate times where Keith noted something accurately (how feathers work, how ghosts work, the sound the game makes when you pass someone) only to have Kyle say "Nnnnno, I don't think so." Have a little faith, man.
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Jan 18, 2014 15:22
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I wanted to note that the feather can be pretty drat useful on a certain battle mode map. You jump into the middle of a square that is completely protected with a red shell and can camp out and snipe your enemy. If I recall correctly, you can also use it to introduce a shortcut or two in races.
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Also, green text stories with the > are not really hard to understand. Websites like 4chan have a character limit on their posts and stories written like that make it easier to fit it within the limit. It's the same reason people use (cont.) on their tweets because they couldn't fit the thing they have to say into one. That and it's easier to digest than a big huge paragraph about an inconsequential story that could be told in just a few lines. When the story says ">Be 18" at the start, what it's saying is "in this story I am 18" to preface it.
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Jan 18, 2014 16:01
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Zinco posted:There were at least three separate times where Keith noted something accurately (how feathers work, how ghosts work, the sound the game makes when you pass someone) only to have Kyle say "Nnnnno, I don't think so." Have a little faith, man. Not sure if you've noticed but Kyle ignoring me being totally right is kind of like a major Run Button theme Kabanaw posted:Keith, were you talking about that dumb thing on 4chan and reddit where people will talk using poo poo like Yeah thats exactly what i mean CJacobs posted:Also, green text stories with the > are not really hard to understand. Websites like 4chan have a character limit on their posts and stories written like that make it easier to fit it within the limit. It's the same reason people use (cont.) on their tweets because they couldn't fit the thing they have to say into one. That and it's easier to digest than a big huge paragraph about an inconsequential story that could be told in just a few lines. When the story says ">Be 18" at the start, what it's saying is "in this story I am 18" to preface it.
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CJacobs posted:Also, green text stories with the > are not really hard to understand. Websites like 4chan have a character limit on their posts and stories written like that make it easier to fit it within the limit. It's the same reason people use (cont.) on their tweets because they couldn't fit the thing they have to say into one. That and it's easier to digest than a big huge paragraph about an inconsequential story that could be told in just a few lines. When the story says ">Be 18" at the start, what it's saying is "in this story I am 18" to preface it. Understanding why stories are formatted in such a way doesn't make them that much less obnoxious (it's not as though obnoxiousness is something 4chan goes out of its way to avoid). I also doubt that the only two options for an "inconsequential story that could be told in a few lines" (which doesn't sound especially gripping in the first place) are a "big huge paragraph" or a heap of ">be 18"-style lines. I mean, I get why the culture of that board might necessitate the latter, but that would also be part of the reason why I wouldn't go to 4chan.
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Somethingdumb posted:But why are they using second person instead of first? Even if it's justifiable I just really dislike it. I dunno. Nobody has ever done good second person writing because second person writing is awful, I wouldn't expect it to work here either. I was just saying that it IS written like that for a reason. 
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Jan 18, 2014 16:39
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CJacobs posted:I dunno. Nobody has ever done good second person writing because second person writing is awful, I wouldn't expect it to work here either. That exists, and yes it is exactly as terrible as you would imagine for all and every kind of story. I don't think there's even ever been a GAME that does that other than...maybe Perfect Dark which had the Counter-Operative gameplay of player 2 being an enemy to kill player 1? It's a missing step of narrative that frankly no one needs. Also I was so glad to see Rainbow Road being the finale it was, what a hella finish guys. Keith's been getting a lot more open about his anger over the Mario games so I expect him to just froth into a dissolving pile of rage and bile by the time we reach Mario Kart Double Dash!!
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The only way I can wrap my head around 4chan memes like that, and popular, JPEG artifact-filled Facebook memes is that there's some sort of natural selection going on. No goal, no intelligent design; just... some stupid "nothings" hit people in a certain way and they take off and evolve. 4chan is like some sort of primordial ooze.
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You better sing this when you get to Double Dash  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuX5_OWObA0
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CJacobs posted:Nobody has ever done good second person writing
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that sounds really interesting.
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CJacobs posted:I dunno. Nobody has ever done good second person writing because second person writing is awful, I wouldn't expect it to work here either. I was just saying that it IS written like that for a reason. Choose your own adventure books are kind of second person.
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Wasn't Heart of Darkness in second person? I remember it was like someone was was telling you the story as they had experienced it, but can't remember much else.
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Regardless of is there's ever been something good come of second-person perspective, I think we can all agree nothing good has come of 4chan.
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Jan 18, 2014 18:06
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Here's a video with some awful music overlaid (I'd mute it), showing some good uses for shrooms and feathers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Go2SKjHBXiY
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Jan 18, 2014 18:26
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Holy crap, Nintendo let alcohol through in one of their SNES games? Or was that just a bottle of carbonated apple juice? Also, is this the first Mario game in which Lakitu is not an enemy?
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Jan 18, 2014 18:28
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Carbon dioxide posted:Also, is this the first Mario game in which Lakitu is not an enemy? There's that Lakitu in Super Mario World that drops coins instead of spineys if that counts. You can still kill him even though there's no benefit, but you really should be doing that at any opportunity anyway.
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Wow, corrected, that sounds amazing to read. Thanks for the info!Carbon dioxide posted:Holy crap, Nintendo let alcohol through in one of their SNES games? Or was that just a bottle of carbonated apple juice?
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Somethingdumb posted:Not sure if you've noticed but Kyle ignoring me being totally right is kind of like a major Run Button theme I don't know if it's actually second person, it seems like it might be the infinitives to me.
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Jan 18, 2014 19:46
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Kyle was right about Super Mario Kart being "the first or second best-selling game on the Super Nintendo if you don't count Mario World". Only Donkey Kong Country sold more copies without being a pack-in title.
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Jan 18, 2014 19:54
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Carbon Thief posted:Kyle was right about Super Mario Kart being "the first or second best-selling game on the Super Nintendo if you don't count Mario World". Only Donkey Kong Country sold more copies without being a pack-in title. Donkey Kong Country WAS a pack-in title for a period of time.
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You know a girl really loves you when you take a mushroom and she lets you go in the chocolate area.
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Phantasium posted:Donkey Kong Country WAS a pack-in title for a period of time. Hmm, so Super Mario Kart was even more popular than I thought. I just got sucked into a Wikipedia black hole of video game sales figures and some of them are surprising to me. For example, I always thought that the Xbox and PS2 were fairly equal rivals for the market share, since they both seemed popular with my friends at the time, but it turns out that the PS2 sold over 6 times as many consoles. (I forgot that only the PS2 came with a DVD player built in, though.)
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FinalGamer posted:Sort of, they do SHOW that it's reasonably construed as champagne but the actual DRINKING of such is not shown. In fact, the Japanese version of Super Mario Kart has both Peach and Bowser drinking the champagne in victory, whereas outside of Japan they just throw the bottle about in celebration. Didn't know that! Here they are:    
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Zinco posted:Didn't know that! Here they are:
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RE: Second person narration, the only example I can think of is the "A Story About You" episode of the Welcome to Night Vale podcast (quite popular podcast, made by a goon). Also Italo Calvino's work is always awesome and read-worthy.
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MSPA is also second person, but discussion of that probably should be relegated to the thread.
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Tunicate posted:MSPA is also second person, but discussion of that probably should be relegated to the thread. Which is based on text-based adventure games, where second person is very common. They (and CYOA stories) get it to work by the fact that you are controlling what the protagonist does.
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Yeah, second person has been the standard POV for text adventures going all the way back to Colossal Cave Adventure (1976). It's still the default for modern interactive fiction. "If on a Winter's Night a Traveler" (and Calvino in general) is very highly recommended. Actually, I've got an extra copy of it lying around. Keith, if you're interested, I'd be happy to mail it to you.
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Dabir posted:I don't know if it's actually second person, it seems like it might be the infinitives to me. The sentences ">Be 28", ">work at CVS", etc have an implied 2nd person perspective. C'mon, dogg, don't you remember SENTENCE DIAGRAMS? Carbon Thief posted:Hmm, so Super Mario Kart was even more popular than I thought. I just got sucked into a Wikipedia black hole of video game sales figures and some of them are surprising to me. For example, I always thought that the Xbox and PS2 were fairly equal rivals for the market share, since they both seemed popular with my friends at the time, but it turns out that the PS2 sold over 6 times as many consoles. (I forgot that only the PS2 came with a DVD player built in, though.) It only seems like they were equal because microsoft paid a billion billion dollars to make sure that the ONLY game you EVER saw characters play on TV was Halo for about 4 straight years. EDIT VVV Tunicate posted:I wouldn't say second person so much as imperative mood. Somethingdumb fucked around with this message at 03:42 on Jan 19, 2014 |
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TO be, to work, I don't see the problem.
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I wouldn't say it's distinctly second person so much as imperative mood.
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Jan 19, 2014 03:04
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Let it go man, you're completely right.
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Woebin posted:Here's a video with some awful music overlaid (I'd mute it), showing some good uses for shrooms and feathers. How the hell did that guy lose once against a second player that isn't even racing (11 wins 1 loss was shown at one point in the video)
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If I recall, (didn't read it myself) Bright Lights, Big City was written in the second person.
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There's a really good David Foster Wallace story that's in the second person.
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MassRafTer posted:I really wish they'd bring this system back. It makes for a really fast and challenging game. About a page late, but they actually did bring back coins back in Mario Kart 7, as well as the upcoming Mario Kart 8 I believe. They also added a flare effect on the engine when collected to make it more clear what effect it had in game.
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A Story About You from Welcome to Night Vale is written in second person and is very good. I think being in normal second person is actually very different from being in imperatives, even though imperative is technically a kind of second person.
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