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Strange Matter posted:Disney villains generally come in two flavors:
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achillesforever6 posted:Wonder where Long John Silver from Treasure Planet fits in to this? probably compassionate as he does redeem himself in the end, but he is kind of a scheming villain considering he managed to get almost everyone loyal to him employed on the ship
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Jan 25, 2014 00:21
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achillesforever6 posted:Wonder where Long John Silver from Treasure Planet fits in to this? God I love Long John Silver. He's definitely one of my favorite Disney characters of all time. I even felt kind of bad that he had to give up his treasure to save Jim. He lost his arm, leg, and eye trying to find it! "You give up a few things, chasin a dream"
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Jan 25, 2014 01:05
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Macaluso posted:God I love Long John Silver. He's definitely one of my favorite Disney characters of all time. I even felt kind of bad that he had to give up his treasure to save Jim. He lost his arm, leg, and eye trying to find it! "You give up a few things, chasin a dream" Not all of it, though. I mean, he only kept a handful, but that sure looked like it alone would set him up for several lifetimes.
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Jan 25, 2014 01:18
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Macaluso posted:God I love Long John Silver. He's definitely one of my favorite Disney characters of all time. I even felt kind of bad that he had to give up his treasure to save Jim. He lost his arm, leg, and eye trying to find it! "You give up a few things, chasin a dream"
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Jan 25, 2014 03:36
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Since the first one has PSY, I imagine this will have the "What Does the Fox Say?" guys.
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Jan 25, 2014 04:10
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Going back to terrible songs for a moment - worst song added to The Lion King: Morning Report or Chow Down?
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Jan 25, 2014 04:15
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Boxman posted:Going back to terrible songs for a moment - worst song added to The Lion King: Morning Report or Chow Down? Gangnam Style. What, you've never seen Lion King with Gangnam Style added? 
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Jan 25, 2014 05:15
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achillesforever6 posted:Wonder where Long John Silver from Treasure Planet fits in to this? Actually looking at these two categories, I noticed that there seems to be a correlation between them and how the villains die. Small Minded villains are killed by falling from great heights, while the Jealous types tend to suffer more gruesome or creative fates (eaten alive by hyenas, imprisoned forever in a lamp, impaled by a ship prow).
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Jan 25, 2014 06:14
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Samuel Clemens posted:Frollo is another example of a character who was a lot more likeable in the original version, though his transformation into a villain was done a lot better than Gastons. I think it's because he's so involved in the storyline. We get a much closer look at his motivations than we do for most Disney villains and his relationship to the other main characters is both clearly defined and integral to the plot structure. Hunchback wouldn't work as a film without him. He may not be compassionate, but Gaston does have this going for him. Everyone loves the guy except those two love nerds! e: I can't help but wonder what would have happened if the witch had come knocking at Gaston's chalet instead of the castle.
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Jan 25, 2014 11:39
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Shanty posted:e: I can't help but wonder what would have happened if the witch had come knocking at Gaston's chalet instead of the castle. You know who I want to hear about? This witch that goes around cursing eleven year-olds. What's her story? Where's she heading?
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Jan 25, 2014 13:54
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Das Boo posted:You know who I want to hear about? This witch that goes around cursing eleven year-olds. What's her story? Where's she heading? The witch is a stand-in for God. There are plenty of myths about Gods or other supernatural entities deciding to disguise themselves as humans in order to see what people think of them/the destitute, and rewarding or punishing accordingly. Beauty and the Beast can be compared to The Wife of Bath's Tale - both of them feature nobility which are given a chance to aid those which are destitute, but who are secretly powerful/beautiful/etc. The difference is that Beast is more "What if the knight from Bath's Tale acted like nobility usually do?" (i.e., terrible assholes)
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Jan 25, 2014 14:03
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Das Boo posted:You know who I want to hear about? This witch that goes around cursing eleven year-olds. What's her story? Where's she heading?
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Jan 25, 2014 14:22
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Disney's Enchantress.
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Jan 25, 2014 18:01
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Pick posted:Disney's Enchantress. Nah, we gotta follow the title formula now. Disney's Refused Shelter By An Eleven Year Old.
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Jan 25, 2014 18:11
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Waffleman_ posted:Nah, we gotta follow the title formula now. Disney's Rejected
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Jan 25, 2014 20:14
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Strange Matter posted:Hes got the scheming part down, but it helps that Long John Silver isn't on the same level of evil as Scar, Jafar and Ursula, which is probably due to his characterization sticking much closer to the source material than those others do (where applicable).  He does have one of my favorite lines in the movie "Mercenary? I prefer the term 'adventure capitalist'." The rest are everything that came out of Vinny's mouth 
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Jan 25, 2014 21:58
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Wasn't The Enchantress supposed to be a Fae? It would make sense for one of them to screw over an entire castle just because a kid was being a kid.
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Jan 26, 2014 01:00
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Accordion Man posted:Wasn't The Enchantress supposed to be a Fae? It would make sense for one of them to screw over an entire castle just because a kid was being a kid. It's never explicitly mentioned that she was a fae, but it's a pretty common assumption.
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Jan 26, 2014 01:21
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achillesforever6 posted:Then there is Rourke's death in Atlantis, which scared the poo poo out of me as a kid. Is Atlantis any good? I've never seen it, but it's on my (much to long) to watch list. The cover always makes me think of treasure planet, which isn't a bad thing to be reminded of.
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Jan 26, 2014 12:31
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Atlantis is better than its reputation suggests. It's a visual spectacle with some impressive setpieces and it captures the general aesthetic of Jules Verne's work very well. However, neither the characters nor the story are particularly memorable, so you end up with a film that has strong individual scenes but fails at connecting them in a satisfying manner. Still worth watching, but nowhere near the quality of Treasure Planet. Which is a shame, because the potential was definitely there. Just don't watch the sequel, though that advice applies to a lot of Disney films.
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Jan 26, 2014 12:49
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Atlantis is one Disney movie that I've seen a bunch of times and still can never remember the bulk of it. It just kind of slides out of the mind. There is a lot of cool stuff in it, both concepts and visuals, but it just doesn't ever come together.
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Jan 26, 2014 14:57
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Darth TNT posted:Is Atlantis any good? I've never seen it, but it's on my (much to long) to watch list. The cover always makes me think of treasure planet, which isn't a bad thing to be reminded of. Atlantis is sort of like Tarzan but from the perspective of the invaders.
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Jan 26, 2014 15:00
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Darth TNT posted:Is Atlantis any good? I've never seen it, but it's on my (much to long) to watch list. The cover always makes me think of treasure planet, which isn't a bad thing to be reminded of. I think the biggest problem with Atlantis is that it would've worked so much better as a mini-series then a movie, it felt rather abrupt at times, and most of the ensemble cast don't really get much "use".
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Jan 26, 2014 18:19
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The animation in Atlantis really bugs me on occasion, like it's a bit overanimated, or something. Don't really know how to put it into words, it's no Bluth-style-jigging around but it just doesn't look great. Milo's enormous glasses that get in the way of his face are pretty annoying, too. Overall, though, it's a pretty ok movie. Don't expect too much and give it a try, there are certainly worse ways to spend an hour and a half.
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Jan 26, 2014 18:32
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I'll keep Atlantis on my watchlist then.  Samuel Clemens posted:Just don't watch the sequel, though that advice applies to a lot of Disney films. The only exceptions I can think of are Aladdin 2 and possibly Pocahontas 2 (just as dull as Pocahontas 1)
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Jan 26, 2014 19:23
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Darth TNT posted:I'll keep Atlantis on my watchlist then. There are some really well done moments in Atlantis, I like the Hellboyesque design of Atlantis (unsurprisingly designed by the guy who did Hellboy), music for it is great, and in my opinion had some fun characters with good one liners. Its sad that Jim Varney knew he wasn't going to see the whole movie though  Some examples of the score which again I just adore https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tx783Z5gso https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXDOZJcCsso https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7dg-7_piGs Also iirc the reason why the Atlantis sequel sucked was that it was actually 3 episodes for a failed TV series mashed together after the first movie disappointed. Speaking of Treasure Planet, I blame that movie for getting that drat GooGoo Dolls song stuck in my head https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VjPRDDXCz4 This I remember watching all the time from the first game I got for the PS2 on Christmas, which was the tie in game for the movie. achillesforever6 fucked around with this message at 20:30 on Jan 26, 2014 |
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Jan 26, 2014 20:27
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achillesforever6 posted:Aladdin and the King of Thieves is my personal favorite Aladdin and the King of Thieves is the one sequel that I feel can measure up to the original. It uses the established characters in a novel way without it feeling contrived and provides a satisfying sense of closure to the franchise as a whole. The two Lion King sequels are pretty good as well and different enough in tone from each other that they can stand on their own. I also have something of a soft spot for Kronk's New Groove, though that might just be because of Patrick Warbuton. achillesforever6 posted:Also iirc the reason why the Atlantis sequel sucked was that it was actually 3 episodes for a failed TV series mashed together after the first movie disappointed. I didn't know that, but it would explain a lot. A pity, since it might have worked well in a more serialized format, but there really wasn't enough content to fill 80 minutes of screen time.
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Jan 26, 2014 21:02
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Kojiro posted:The animation in Atlantis really bugs me on occasion, like it's a bit overanimated, or something. Don't really know how to put it into words, it's no Bluth-style-jigging around but it just doesn't look great. Milo's enormous glasses that get in the way of his face are pretty annoying, too. Yeah, and for something distinctly Mignola-inspired I really find most of the designs and general aesthetic pretty unappealing. I love Mignola's style but I don't think it translated well.
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Jan 26, 2014 21:45
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Darth TNT posted:The only exceptions I can think of are Aladdin 2 and possibly Pocahontas 2 (just as dull as Pocahontas 1) I really like Bambi II, enjoyed the new Winnie the Pooh as much as the original (WDAS not DisneyToon though), think The Rescuers Down Under is better than the original (also WDAS), and have an odd soft spot for Cinderella 3. Also I think Return to Neverland is not bad as long as you don't let the bad moral or your awareness of hentai bother you.
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Jan 26, 2014 22:13
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Pick posted:Also I think Return to Neverland is not bad as long as you don't let the bad moral or your awareness of hentai bother you. How would that even mat-OH. The octopus. Welp, there goes that bit of innocence that somehow managed to last this long. I don't really remember the movie that well though, which moral are you talking about?
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Jan 26, 2014 22:21
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I seem to recall the film coming down in the main girl for lacking whimsy... in a warzone. Anyway.  
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Jan 26, 2014 22:27
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I feel nothing for the Bambi II sequel story wise but it is a VERY nice looking sequel. Bambi 2, Stitch has a Glitch, Lion King 1 1/2, and Brother Bear 2 all look pretty good for being straight to DVD. Also how in the world did Brother Bear 2 get a sequel? I always forget that movie even existed. At least I remembered Home on the Range happened
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Jan 26, 2014 22:28
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Brother bear is a very special movie one you realize when somebody mentions the movie and you totally remember it's a thing, Brother bear 2 is worse in that regards. Besides, Brave did it better anyways.
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Jan 27, 2014 00:50
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So I forced my friend to watch Tappy Toes with me Saturday, and if it wasn't for the fact that they really tried to cash in on Happy Feet, then would be one of those "Terrible, but enjoyable" films, the introduction alone was great, though a bit over the head of the intended audience (children). The birds that kidnap the egg are a good pairing and do have some good slapstick. The villain and his sea lion minion are a good pair.
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Jan 27, 2014 01:02
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I just saw the Croods, and I liked all but the last few minutes of it. It feels like an executive came in and went "hold up, hold up, hold up, you can't end a movie like that! There's kids watching!" Yeah, movies aimed at kids generally don't end on any sort of down note these days, but I liked the bittersweet ending that seemed to be coming together, where Grug sacrifices it all so his family could survive. His parting moments where they all realize they he's not coming with and his invention of the "hug", along with the following scene of him doing that last painting in the dark was really quite touching. Cut to the family blowing their shells after that to say goodbye before rolling the credits (maybe with some more Eep narration to book-end things) would have wrapped things up nicely. But it feels like the movie chickened out completely at the end. I'm not a proponent of dark or gritty endings because I feel like they're more "mature" by default. I argued that Flynn Rider staying dead in Tangled would have been stupid and counter-thematic. However, a less than perfect ending in the Croods would have fit the theme of evolving, progressing, and moving on, and the old ways unfortunately having to be left behind to seek a new means of living. Oh well.
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Jan 27, 2014 01:25
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blurry! posted:I just saw the Croods, and I liked all but the last few minutes of it. It feels like an executive came in and went "hold up, hold up, hold up, you can't end a movie like that! There's kids watching!" Yeah, movies aimed at kids generally don't end on any sort of down note these days, but I liked the bittersweet ending that seemed to be coming together, where Grug sacrifices it all so his family could survive. His parting moments where they all realize they he's not coming with and his invention of the "hug", along with the following scene of him doing that last painting in the dark was really quite touching. Cut to the family blowing their shells after that to say goodbye before rolling the credits (maybe with some more Eep narration to book-end things) would have wrapped things up nicely. But it feels like the movie chickened out completely at the end. I'm not a proponent of dark or gritty endings because I feel like they're more "mature" by default. I argued that Flynn Rider staying dead in Tangled would have been stupid and counter-thematic. However, a less than perfect ending in the Croods would have fit the theme of evolving, progressing, and moving on, and the old ways unfortunately having to be left behind to seek a new means of living. Oh well. But then the adorable tiger would have died. It's not the dad dying that would have been the problem, it's THAT TIGER. 
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Jan 27, 2014 01:32
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blurry! posted:I just saw the Croods, and I liked all but the last few minutes of it. It feels like an executive came in and went "hold up, hold up, hold up, you can't end a movie like that! There's kids watching!" Yeah, movies aimed at kids generally don't end on any sort of down note these days, but I liked the bittersweet ending that seemed to be coming together, where Grug sacrifices it all so his family could survive. His parting moments where they all realize they he's not coming with and his invention of the "hug", along with the following scene of him doing that last painting in the dark was really quite touching. Cut to the family blowing their shells after that to say goodbye before rolling the credits (maybe with some more Eep narration to book-end things) would have wrapped things up nicely. But it feels like the movie chickened out completely at the end. I'm not a proponent of dark or gritty endings because I feel like they're more "mature" by default. I argued that Flynn Rider staying dead in Tangled would have been stupid and counter-thematic. However, a less than perfect ending in the Croods would have fit the theme of evolving, progressing, and moving on, and the old ways unfortunately having to be left behind to seek a new means of living. Oh well. In my mind, it would have been one of the right films to take that stand. However, it had the impact it wanted when it wanted. I don't think most people watch films multiple times. It's a great conflict and it helped solidify The Croods as one of my top three animated films of 2013.
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Jan 27, 2014 01:59
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blurry! posted:I just saw the Croods, and I liked all but the last few minutes of it. It feels like an executive came in and went "hold up, hold up, hold up, you can't end a movie like that! There's kids watching!" Yeah, movies aimed at kids generally don't end on any sort of down note these days, but I liked the bittersweet ending that seemed to be coming together, where Grug sacrifices it all so his family could survive. His parting moments where they all realize they he's not coming with and his invention of the "hug", along with the following scene of him doing that last painting in the dark was really quite touching. Cut to the family blowing their shells after that to say goodbye before rolling the credits (maybe with some more Eep narration to book-end things) would have wrapped things up nicely. But it feels like the movie chickened out completely at the end. I'm not a proponent of dark or gritty endings because I feel like they're more "mature" by default. I argued that Flynn Rider staying dead in Tangled would have been stupid and counter-thematic. However, a less than perfect ending in the Croods would have fit the theme of evolving, progressing, and moving on, and the old ways unfortunately having to be left behind to seek a new means of living. Oh well. The reason I did not like it is that it was literally the same ending as HTTYD, except instead of each of them getting a different kind of dragon to ride they each get a different kind of pseudoanimal to ride. However the parting shot on the beach is so beautiful I ignore my own complaint.
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Pixeltendo posted:Brother bear is a very special movie one you realize when somebody mentions the movie and you totally remember it's a thing, Brother bear 2 is worse in that regards. I've always enjoyed just about every part of Brother Bear. Not many movies have the protagonist deliver a "Sorry I killed your mom, kid" scene.
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