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Finndo posted:I must have missed the explanation of how Lana Banana got her eyes back for the second time. Because she's the next Supreme, and one of the sure signs of being the next Supreme is "radiant, glowing health." Which begs the question why she spent half the season blind and infertile. The writers decided to drop all pretext of doing anything interested with the setting or antagonists established early on (witch hunters, Laveau/voodoo, LaLaurie) and pissed that all away to focus on "who's the next Supreme??" drama. I get the feeling they hadn't actually decided who the next Supreme would be until an episode or two ago and pulled this terribly stupid ending together three weeks back.
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HuffingtonPost posted:We made our speculations for what Season 4 could be about, but Murphy claims that "No one has completely guessed what it is." Did he also say this at the end of last season when almost everybody had already guessed witches?
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escape artist posted:I just want to point out the avatar to my left. Someone purchased it for me because I was ignoring their PMs to come post in this thread, at the beginning of the season. It worked, too, because I began posting in the thread afterward. No, your posts don't suck. New people and visitors need to know. hangedman1984 posted:Did he also say this at the end of last season when almost everybody had already guessed witches?
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xeria posted:It'd be a neat twist but then just 2-3 episodes ago, Papa Legba refused Fiona's own deal because she didn't have a soul so I don't know what the Axeman would have to barter with. Unless he made the deal while he was still incorporeal earlier in the season, or something, and that's why she didn't have a soul for herself to barter with. Its not The Axe Man in Fionas hell. Just like its not actually those same kids/teacher in Misty's or Kyle in Zoe's.
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LazyDivey posted:So what was the deal with that one girls vagina body explosion powers? Which of the wonders was that mess? The "can only have undead boyfriends for the rest of my life" Wonder.
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Blazing Ownager posted:The funniest part is I suggested that an American future / Cyberpunk setting could be kind of cool and keeping with the uniquely American theme, and literally got called the "worst TV IV poster" because of it. So that's kind of hilarious if that actually happens. You ARE the worst TV/IV poster Irish J-...wait (Forum opinions are usually bad and not taken seriously) As for the witches, no. Witches -may- have existed in Europe, but in AHS:C, the origin of the Salem witches* was the voodoo(vuduin?) who taught the women of Salem who then passed it on via blood. *This is, however, information from Laveau. So it could be true, or it could be false and biased.
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LazyDivey posted:So what was the deal with that one girls vagina body explosion powers? Which of the wonders was that mess? I've been mad at this show all day. I keep thinking of more and more reasons it sucked. Thanks, Taliaquin fucked around with this message at 01:25 on Jan 31, 2014 |
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I really, really don't want to defend anything from this show or the season finale, but I was wondering if anyone considered that the Axeman in Fiona's personal hell was not the actual Axeman? Or are we to also assume that everybody from Misty's or Queenie's personal hells are all meant to be the real people, too? edit: Also someone posted this on Tumblr, from Sarah Paulson's Twitter Feed: https://24.media.tumblr.com/de9972512b1c8307aa19af33187cb580/tumblr_n081keR0eH1sjb7wfo1_1280.jpg https://31.media.tumblr.com/87c4a28f479610bdfb9e569ee2b9d479/tumblr_n081keR0eH1sjb7wfo2_500.jpg vV Thanks, I didn't see it because I didn't feel like wading through all 300 posts of the season finale shitstorm. King Vidiot fucked around with this message at 02:09 on Jan 31, 2014 |
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King Vidiot posted:I really, really don't want to defend anything from this show or the season finale, but I was wondering if anyone considered that the Axeman in Fiona's personal hell was not the actual Axeman? Or are we to also assume that everybody from Misty's or Queenie's personal hells are all meant to be the real people, too? someone did 5 posts up
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King Vidiot posted:I really, really don't want to defend anything from this show or the season finale, but I was wondering if anyone considered that the Axeman in Fiona's personal hell was not the actual Axeman? Or are we to also assume that everybody from Misty's or Queenie's personal hells are all meant to be the real people, too? e:fb Well, speak of the devil. e2: Although that does defeat the evil frog theory, which is the one positive thing we can all take away from the finale. quote:edit: Also someone posted this on Tumblr, from Sarah Paulson's Twitter Feed: Taliaquin fucked around with this message at 01:45 on Jan 31, 2014 |
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I didn't say that or anything like it. I loved asylum thought coven would be great. It was very bad. I knew Dexter had been poo poo for years. If we are saying compared to the first 2 season of dexter then of course the disappointment isn't close. I was referring to just the most current seasons.
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LazyDivey posted:So what was the deal with that one girls vagina body explosion powers? Which of the wonders was that mess? I don't think it was ever explicitly stated that a witches power was limited solely to the seven wonders, just that she needed to be able to perform them in order to gain supremacy. Seeing as Queenie's unique power was that of a human voodoo doll, there's probably some explanation that of course didn't get featured in the show because it was an afterthought and by the time they realized it everything was already a horrible mess.  I really, really liked Coven but at no point did I ever take it seriously or expect quality writing. It was always about the absurdity and humor. I think there are a lot of new AHS people here who started at Asylum and jumped straight into Coven without seeing the ridiculousness of Murder House, and that's where the surprising disappointment in this season comes from. i am bones fucked around with this message at 03:26 on Jan 31, 2014 |
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I would have had a small snippet of some of the new girls approaching the attic, talking about how it's supposed to be haunted, and then losing their nerve and running away. Cut to inside the attic where Spalding is having a tea party with his living son and its "mother" - the corpse of Madison done up like a housewife doll. In fact, how's that for a living hell for Madison? Taking care of a kid with Spalding as his bride.
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You know, the more I think about how easily every single witch was taken out including Madison, the more I have to laugh. All it takes to wipe out a mutant with telekenesis, mind control, pyrokenesis and a whole lot more is a mean choke hold. Really, Frankentate should have been thrown into the ceiling, set on fire and brought down in like 100 pieces or something for daring to gently caress with her. Then we have Nan, a growingly powerful witch against two of the most powerful witches and it comes down to, again, a mean choke hold. This happens multiple times in the show. Witches are the worst mutants ever.
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Just read that recent HuffPo article.Huffington Post posted:This is what we know about Season 4 so far: See you for Season 5 everybody.
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Blazing Ownager posted:You know, the more I think about how easily every single witch was taken out including Madison, the more I have to laugh. All it takes to wipe out a mutant with telekenesis, mind control, pyrokenesis and a whole lot more is a mean choke hold. Really, Frankentate should have been thrown into the ceiling, set on fire and brought down in like 100 pieces or something for daring to gently caress with her. Did any of them except Misty even die by purely magical means? Madison had her throat slit by Fiona, as did the previous Supreme. Fiona herself could have been killed by poison or an axe to the back. Hank's mistress was shot in the head, as was the forest witch from his childhood. The council members were paralyzed by the poisoned food, yet ultimately chopped up and acid dissolved by Myrtle. Nan was drowned. Zoe died from being impaled (which she teleported into, granted, but still.) And the only one who was actually immortal, Marie, was easily knocked on the head and chopped up herself, breaking the contract. Yet another snag in the writing, the idea that a witch could only be killed for good if she was burned at the stake, or shot with a silver bullet. Which .... actually isn't true at all since both Misty and Myrtle's charred corpses were revived and Queenie spit out the bullet. Meh, I like to think the government allowed Cordelia to take in all those rookie witches and then dropped a carpet bomb on the house.
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Violet studying on the floating bed was the first time I saw books in a school for girls. I'm not sure I'd feel safe sending my daughter to a school for witches in the middle of New Orleans. This was a weird feel good ending which is odd for AHS. I was really expecting Fiona or Myrtle to backstab Cordelia but it never happened. Witches suck at plotting against each other.
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The real tragedy for me this episode was Zoe, the most boring character, coming back from her boring hell, dying later in an idiotic way and then resurrected, while Misty, the more likeable and interesting character gets stuck in a heartwrenching hell and then turns to dust. They went out of their way to do that , which pisses me off. It's like they just had to make sure that the milquetoast, bland character was brought back. WHY THE gently caress IS THAT? Also, was it gold dust that Misty turned into?
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escape artist posted:No, I've been watching since day one, and can assure you that isn't the case. Yup
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AGirlWonder posted:Has anyone called Murphy out for how bad the writing was this season? I know Twitter regularly makes fun of Kurt Sutter, and I'm wondering if it'll so the same for AHS. Either Ryan Murphy is well aware by now of how terrible his writing is and isn't inclined to improve any of his faults -- since we've had several seasons of Nip/Tuck and Glee each before Coven -- or he's been ignoring all of his critics this entire time. And I will forever think it stupid that Zoe got to live with her dumb zombie boyfriend while Misty was trapped in hell for all eternity.
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OmegaBR posted:Just read that recent HuffPo article.  I hope "If you loved seasons 1 & 2 but hated season 3, you'll love next season." also applies.
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escape artist posted:No, I've been watching since day one, and can assure you that isn't the case.
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I came onto the scene really, really late, and watched the other two seasons at the beginning of Coven. The difference is stark and absurd. Despite the consistent incoherence of some situations in both seasons, it was always cohesive, and wonderfully full of suspense. This season was not, and it is a pity considering all the access they had to some incredible additions to the cast. Wasted opportunity. Totally wasted. What a shame.
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The reason Murder House worked was because it had a cohesive mythology. This season would have been better if they hadn't created plot threads only to leave them dangling forever in limbo. Murder House worked two ways -- both as a horror show, and as a send-up of the genre. The same kind of tone as Cabin in the Woods (but much, much better). I was very excited about Coven. I loved the first three episodes. I paid attention to everything... and that's where my problem was. There was no attention to detail. In the beginning they said the Supreme embodies all powers of the witch, I believe. In the end, that was not true. Remember the minotaur? And the zombies? The necro-vag? Kyle's rape and incest? Cordelia's infertility which should have disqualified her from being the Supreme-- and would have, if the show had been written to completion before it was shot. No rules of death were ever established. I was amused when I thought about how all the witches in the finale, at one point or another, had been killed, but not for good reasons. This season promised a show about female empowerment. Instead, it delivered a bunch of rape scenes in the beginning, lots of petty and catty behavior, then they seemingly remembered that it was supposed to be about female empowerment and tacked on that happy ending of all witches coming together. Lots of great scenes this season -- my favorite might be Lange and Paulson's final scene together. But you know what? For every great scene, there were 3 or 4 other scenes that could be called "mediocre at best" and "poo poo-tastic" at worst. I have watched this show, every week, since it premiered. I expected nothing from it, and it blew me away with its inventiveness. A strong second season proved that was no fluke. In Season 3, we get an artistic failure. edit: Agreed with the above poster. As much as I love objectifying Evan Peters, he was useless this season. I should never be unhappy to see Evan Peters on the screen. The fact that they used him as a human fuckpuppet was awful on its own, but then couple that with the incest scene, and his inability to truly consent... well, let's just say I hope that's not Murphy's notion of feminism. escape artist fucked around with this message at 08:33 on Jan 31, 2014 |
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OmegaBR posted:Meh, I like to think the government allowed Cordelia to take in all those rookie witches and then dropped a carpet bomb on the house. The funniest thing is with that ending I couldn't help but think "So how many of them are just really annoying goth girls who think it sounds awesome and have no magical ability what so ever? Probably all of them."
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Blazing Ownager posted:The funniest thing is with that ending I couldn't help but think "So how many of them are just really annoying goth girls who think it sounds awesome and have no magical ability what so ever? Probably all of them." YES!!!
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Blazing Ownager posted:The funniest thing is with that ending I couldn't help but think "So how many of them are just really annoying goth girls who think it sounds awesome and have no magical ability what so ever? Probably all of them." Absolutely. I hope they're overrun with attention whoring drama queens for the rest of their lives.
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What was the point of Descensum? Why would anyone want to descend to hell just for the sake of it? Queenie used it to speak to Papa Legba. Why did Fiona have to summon him if she could have just performed Descensum? Being the Supreme and all, she must have been to hell before. Reading this thread I've become painfully aware of how bad this season was, but I still think it was very entertaining. Even with all its flaws, I still loved it and look forward to Season 4.
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Wow, that was a dreadful end to a dreadful season. I would have enjoyed it a lot more if it had just been "American Horror Story: Legba Fucks With People". It wasn't Dexter bad, of course, and some parts were amusing...but on the whole, it just didn't do it for me. Luckily, I had a new episode of Parks and Rec to watch as a palate cleanser. And now I kind of want season 5 to be "American Horror Story: Pawnee." Devorum fucked around with this message at 13:16 on Jan 31, 2014 |
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xeria posted:Either Ryan Murphy is well aware by now of how terrible his writing is and isn't inclined to improve any of his faults -- since we've had several seasons of Nip/Tuck and Glee each before Coven -- or he's been ignoring all of his critics this entire time. What happened with Glee? Please tell me it gets utterly ridiculous Nip/Tuck style.
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escape artist posted:No, I've been watching since day one, and can assure you that isn't the case. (Your analysis of why this season sucked a few posts up is really good, by the way.) OmegaBR posted:Just read that recent HuffPo article. Devorum posted:Luckily, I had a new episode of Parks and Rec to watch as a palate cleanser. And now I kind of want season 5 to be "American Horror Story: Pawnee." I'm the opposite on the palate cleanser front. I just finished marathoning the entirety of Breaking Bad this week, so Coven's finale was like getting rancid moldy ice cream for dessert after a 5-star dinner.
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DoctorX posted:What was the point of Descensum? Why would anyone want to descend to hell just for the sake of it? Queenie used it to speak to Papa Legba. Why did Fiona have to summon him if she could have just performed Descensum? Being the Supreme and all, she must have been to hell before. The point of Descensum was "random very dangerous power that we can plot-point use to kill off the one character most everyone actually liked, and also 'easily' explain how Queenie gets in contact with Papa Legba". I'd be pretty certain that no Supreme actually uses that power on an even semi-regular basis, unlike the rest. Like, it's nice, I guess, for demonstrating that you're real powerful in a "look what I can do!" fashion, but who would ever actually just go to hell on a whim? CODChimera posted:What happened with Glee? Please tell me it gets utterly ridiculous Nip/Tuck style. Glee suffers from the same "lazy writing that the cast and remaining crew try with all their might to save" issues that plagued Coven. It's not really insane like Nip/Tuck got (no one's sawing off their breasts with mini-chainsaws or anything), probably mostly because it's still focused around high school/young college-age kids.
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