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lonelywurm
Aug 10, 2009
Well, at least this way if Trudeau wins we won't have to worry about that prick being able to make decisions on who our loving Senators are.

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PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:

Hahahaha good. Now go away forever Connie.

Isn't it great there's one thing we can all agree on in this thread? He can go take a flying gently caress, so far as I'm concerned. He's a miserable little man, and he's squandered the few opportunities he had to not be remembered as a massive douche in the wake of his conviction and imprisonment.

Drunk Canuck
Jan 9, 2010

Robots ruin all the fun of a good adventure.

Christ now we're gonna hear how he's a victim through a whiny column.

Whiskey Sours
Jan 25, 2014

Weather proof.

Drunk Canuck posted:

Christ now we're gonna hear how he's a victim through a whiny column.

Weeks of whiny columns. Weeks.

Lain Iwakura
Aug 5, 2004

The body exists only to verify one's own existence.

Taco Defender

David Corbett posted:

What this suggests is that the Bow Glacier and other water sources are pretty much doomed regardless of what Alberta does. Your original post read to me as though it was reveling over this as though it was some sort of punishment for our environmental negligence. Even if it was, Southern Alberta ranchers and farmers are not responsible for what's going on at Fort McMurray, and they're certainly not responsible for all of climate change.

It is going to be very difficult, if not impossible, to gain support in Alberta if we can neither have an agricultural industry or an oilpatch. What else are we supposed to do?

Other options for Alberta are not immediately obvious. Alberta's situated on the wrong side of the Rocky Mountains for access to the Pacific Ocean, over 1,500km (as the crow flies!) from access to Hudson's Bay, and is even more hopelessly isolated from other coastlines. Our bad location combines with our lack of cheap hydroelectric power to make Alberta an unlikely candidate for manufacturing of any kind - even if you completely ignore the fact that we could never be cheaper than China. The high-tech and software industries are about as likely to move here via quantum tunneling as by choice, and the service industry can't sustain itself.

To suggest for a moment that I believe that Alberta itself is responsible for global warming is disingenuous at best. To also suggest that I think it deserves it is too. I lived in Edmonton for sometime and have many family members there. I don't wish the place harm.

However, I am realistic about its future. 50-years from now, the power that Alberta has now will not be there--it can be argued that this may be the case in a decade or two. The ramifications of Alberta becoming a dust bowl due to the Bow Glacier and other sources weakening are far reaching beyond Alberta or even Saskatchewan as it will affect those of us in BC and those of us east of Manitoba. The North Saskatchewan is in better shape but it cannot be said that it will be a picnic for that river either.

The mentality that Alberta shares with everyone else on this planet is what needs to be changed. However, the idea that it should engage in scorched Earth because things will be hosed later on is idiotic as well.

Lain Iwakura fucked around with this message at 02:13 on Feb 1, 2014

David Corbett
Feb 6, 2008

Courage, my friends; 'tis not too late to build a better world.

Whiskey Sours posted:

Weeks of whiny columns. Weeks.

Please. Peasants such as us can only imagine the depth of the indignity delivered to the downtrodden and oppressed Lord Black, Baron of Crossharbour.

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

The PQ has a new ad up on sovereignty. They make sure to prominently display a crucifix again, because why not.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJj-QbICFsE&t=15s

David Corbett
Feb 6, 2008

Courage, my friends; 'tis not too late to build a better world.

OSI bean dip posted:

To suggest for a moment that I believe that Alberta itself is responsible for global warming is disingenuous at best. To also suggest that I think it deserves it is too. I lived in Edmonton for sometime and have many family members there. I don't wish the place harm.

I'm sorry. I must have misinterpreted this (emphasis from original):

OSI bean dip posted:

However, it is barely doing anything of that if at all and as a result when poo poo hits the fan, Alberta is hosed and it drat well deserves it.

I don't advocate for a scorched earth strategy.

We had a pretty good idea going here in Alberta with our resource funds. We should have done the prudent thing, saved for the future and used taxation and regulation to limit growth of the energy sector, environmental and economic impact.

Instead, we blew through the funds giving tax breaks and declared an open season on our oil. This has resulted in massive economic overspecialization, wage and asset inflation, tremendous immigration from all over the country, and a supply glut that causes our oil to sell at a huge discount.

This was a catastrophic error. All it takes is a quick comparison of Alberta and Norway to see how badly we have done. Generations of future Albertans will feel the consequences.

With all of that said, however, the fact is that it happened. Any discussion of the future of our country is going to have to take that into account, and consider a way of resolving it that doesn't leave Albertans broke and penniless.

MonsieurChoc
Oct 12, 2013

Every species can smell its own extinction.

Pinterest Mom posted:

The PQ has a new ad up on sovereignty. They make sure to prominently display a crucifix again, because why not.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJj-QbICFsE&t=15s

God lovingdammit, now I'm angry all over again. How is this bullshit helping us in any way?

Whiskey Sours
Jan 25, 2014

Weather proof.

Pinterest Mom posted:

The PQ has a new ad up on sovereignty. They make sure to prominently display a crucifix again, because why not.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJj-QbICFsE&t=15s

I'm fine with this, because it's a small crucifix. It's not like someone's jamming a turban down my throat.

mr. unhsib
Sep 19, 2003
I hate you all.
Rob Ford got ticketed for jaywalking in my hometown! http://globalnews.ca/news/1122528/breaking-rob-ford-reportedly-ticketed-in-vancouver-for-jaywalking-public-intoxication/

After he got kicked out of the bar I frequented as an undergrad!

Man who knew a Rob Ford story could make me so homesick.

Dr. Witherbone
Nov 1, 2010

CHEESE LOOKS ON IN
DESPAIR BUT ALSO WITH
AN ERECTION

PT6A posted:

Isn't it great there's one thing we can all agree on in this thread? He can go take a flying gently caress, so far as I'm concerned. He's a miserable little man, and he's squandered the few opportunities he had to not be remembered as a massive douche in the wake of his conviction and imprisonment.

It's a cause that unites us all, it really is beautiful.

Somebody make a heritage minute.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane
I don't know whether I'm sicker of hearing of Ford's dumb poo poo, or Bieber's dumb poo poo. Get him for the crack smoking and the murder threats, but lay off the poor stupid gently caress when he's just being a drunken idiot. Let him jaywalk until he gains a sense of invincibility, then possibly he'll get hit by a car and we'll finally have an end to hearing about him.

EDIT: Come to think of it, this could apply to either Bieber or Ford. Let's just do our best to make sure they aren't harming anyone else in the process of self-destructing.

PT6A fucked around with this message at 08:23 on Feb 1, 2014

colonel_korn
May 16, 2003

mr. unhsib posted:

Rob Ford got ticketed for jaywalking in my hometown! http://globalnews.ca/news/1122528/breaking-rob-ford-reportedly-ticketed-in-vancouver-for-jaywalking-public-intoxication/

After he got kicked out of the bar I frequented as an undergrad!
Hahaha the Foggy Dew, hilarious. Too bad he wasn't there on a Thursday, he could have hit up the Highland Pub.

PlaceholderPigeon
Dec 31, 2012
Don't care about Bieber (though I wish they would stop making a big deal about it on the news), but Ford, well, kinda wish it was something worse because this won't change anything except make him more of a liar

quote:

Ford told Warmington he was “shocked” and “embarrassed”, but denied the alleged additional citation for intoxication, saying “All I have had here is a diet coke.”

That's the wrong kind of coke, Rob.

Kreez
Oct 18, 2003

Is it legal to donate to a provincial political party in a different province? If so do you still get a tax credit?

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

Depends on the province - you can't donate to Ontario or Alberta parties if you're out of province, but you could donate to BC or Saskatchewan party. Check your local elections acts. You wouldn't get a tax credit.

Pinterest Mom fucked around with this message at 15:18 on Feb 1, 2014

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011
Here's Paul Calandra in the House of Commons responding to CBC's CSEC report:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUOXOc68nKY


quote:

Mr. Speaker, last night the CBC aired a misleading report on Canada's signals intelligence agency, Communications Security Establishment Canada. These documents were stolen by former NSA contractor, Edward Snowden and sold to the CBC by Glenn Greenwald. Canada's signals intelligence agency has been clear that the CBC story is incorrect, yet the CBC went ahead and published it anyway.

Here are the facts: Before the story aired, CSEC made clear that nothing in the stolen documents showed that Canadians' communications were targeted, collected, or used, nor that travellers' movements were tracked.

In addition, CSEC's activities are regularly reviewed by an independent watchdog who has consistently found it has followed the law.

Why is furthering porn-spy Glenn Greenwald's agenda and lining his Brazilian bank account more important than maintaining the public broadcaster's journalistic integrity?



Techdirt has pretty good analysis of why this is all bullshit here:

quote:

Okay. Where to start? First off, the whole idea that Greenwald "sold" the documents to the CBC is just ridiculous. Every so often we've seen others raise this kind if idiotic argument and it's just silly. Greenwald -- like any other freelance journalist -- gets paid to do journalism. No one is paying him for the documents. They're paying him to work as a journalist, which, you know, is what he does. The attempt to portray it as selling the documents is just a completely bogus smear.

Second, for all the CSEC's denials, note that Calandra makes no effort whatsoever to explain what's in the actual (fairly damning) document that the CBC published. Instead, he's playing games with words -- games that you should be quite used to if you've followed the infamous NSA dictionary. Note that he says that none of Canadians' "communications were targeted, collected, or used." There are a few problems with that. No one's talking about their communications here, but rather details of their locations and the kinds of devices they were using, which is exactly what's shown in the powerpoint presentation.

Next, the fact that the CSEC's activities are regularly reviewed is somewhat meaningless. Was this program reviewed? By whom? What did they find? As we've seen in the US, the claims of independent oversight of the NSA turned out to not mean very much once people looked at the details.

And then... there's that last paragraph. First of all, what is a "porn spy" anyway, and how is Glenn Greenwald one of them? The word makes no sense at all. When government officials are talking gibberish, it does not bode well for them. Maybe he's trying to repeat the smear from a former US government official who bizarrely called Snowden an espionage pornographer, which made no sense, but makes at least marginally more sense than a "porn spy." And, yes, Glenn Greenwald lives in Brazil. Saying "Brazilian bank account" makes it seem, again, as if there's something nefarious going on here, rather than a well-known, accomplished and celebrated freelance reporter who happens to live in Brazil, doing some work for the CBC.

If this is the Harper government's official "response" to these revelations, they're just asking for trouble. This is so over-the-top silly and defensive, without even remotely responding to the actual issues, that it suggests that Harper has no legitimate response, knows that more is probably on the way, and has resorted to throwing out nonsensical insults at reporters.

tagesschau
Sep 1, 2006
Guten Abend, meine Damen und Herren.
The Tories seem to be taking advantage lately of the fact that defamatory statements aren't slander if they're said by an MP on the House floor.

Political Whores
Feb 13, 2012

tagesschau posted:

The Tories seem to be taking advantage lately of the fact that defamatory statements aren't slander if they're said by an MP on the House floor.

Yeah, but Porn Spy is pretty tone deaf a slur. I mean, come on.

Throwdini
Aug 2, 2006
He must have said "foreign spy" right? Either way we have reporters as "spies" and environmental activists as "terrorists" and this government is paving a road to an extremely dangerous place.


edit: found this from buzzfeed:

"According to court documents, one of the distribution websites operated by MN Entertainment was StudMall, a gay porn DVD site. According to the New York state corporation and domain registry records, MN Entertainment and Stud Mall operated out of the same suites that housed Greenwald’s law firm, but Greenwald said he was just the company’s legal and consultancy arm. "

So I guess he worked in the adult film industry for a little while.

Throwdini fucked around with this message at 18:46 on Feb 1, 2014

Vermain
Sep 5, 2006



I'm still impressed by Glenn Greenwald's resilience. The dude must have at least half the major world powers breathing down his neck, by now.

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

Throwdini posted:

He must have said "foreign spy" right? Either way we have reporters as "spies" and environmental activists as "terrorists" and this government is paving a road to an extremely dangerous place.


edit: found this from buzzfeed:

"According to court documents, one of the distribution websites operated by MN Entertainment was StudMall, a gay porn DVD site. According to the New York state corporation and domain registry records, MN Entertainment and Stud Mall operated out of the same suites that housed Greenwald’s law firm, but Greenwald said he was just the company’s legal and consultancy arm. "

So I guess he worked in the adult film industry for a little while.

If you watch the video, it sounds a hell of a lot more like "porn spy" than "foreign spy" and you have to admit that the former is a way better impression of how the government's messaging sometimes just goes completely off the rails.

Helsing
Aug 23, 2003

DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU :love::love::love: JOE BIDEN
Its sort of remarkable that after all this time in power the conservatives have almost no noteworthy or competent MPs who could realistically replace Harper, but they have developed this entire stable of Paul Calandras and Pierre Poliviere, all taking their orders from a handful of anonymous 20-somethings in the PMO. I guess that's what happens when you have an absolute control freak in charge and you value dog-like loyalty over everything else.

Whiskey Sours
Jan 25, 2014

Weather proof.

Helsing posted:

Its sort of remarkable that after all this time in power the conservatives have almost no noteworthy or competent MPs who could realistically replace Harper, but they have developed this entire stable of Paul Calandras and Pierre Poliviere, all taking their orders from a handful of anonymous 20-somethings in the PMO. I guess that's what happens when you have an absolute control freak in charge and you value dog-like loyalty over everything else.

Well there's Jason Kenney, and uh.... Jason Kenney.

Cocaine Bear
Nov 4, 2011

ACAB

Whiskey Sours posted:

Well there's Jason Kenney, and uh.... Jason Kenney.

If it wasn't for history and such MacKay cold be a fit. Baird has been making his way through portfolios but has his faults. It would be pretty funny for the CPC to have a gay party leader.

CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK
Sep 11, 2001



Helsing posted:

Its sort of remarkable that after all this time in power the conservatives have almost no noteworthy or competent MPs who could realistically replace Harper, but they have developed this entire stable of Paul Calandras and Pierre Poliviere, all taking their orders from a handful of anonymous 20-somethings in the PMO. I guess that's what happens when you have an absolute control freak in charge and you value dog-like loyalty over everything else.

You know what other political party didn't have a clear cut successor? :godwin:

Austrian mook
Feb 24, 2013

by Shine

CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:

You know what other political party didn't have a clear cut successor? :godwin:

Ummm... I know it's a joke but that's not really true at all.

Kafka Esq.
Jan 1, 2005

"If you ever even think about calling me anything but 'The Crab' I will go so fucking crab on your ass you won't even see what crab'd your crab" -The Crab(TM)
Donitz pretty much had that poo poo sewn up.

Helsing
Aug 23, 2003

DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU :love::love::love: JOE BIDEN
You couldn't certainly make a (very spurious) comparison to Stalin or Saddam as far as having a ruthless and politically talented leader who, due to his leadership style, is surrounded by incompetent buffoons who can't take any independent action.

Binary Logic
Dec 28, 2000

Fun Shoe

Pinterest Mom posted:

The PQ has a new ad up on sovereignty. They make sure to prominently display a crucifix again, because why not.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJj-QbICFsE&t=15s

That imagery is hilarious. Church, hockey... :quebec:

For more accuracy one of the hockey players should have a cigarette in his mouth.

Cocaine Bear
Nov 4, 2011

ACAB

Binary Logic posted:

That imagery is hilarious. Church, hockey... :quebec:

For more accuracy one of the hockey players should have a cigarette in his mouth.

I believe the rondelle was frozen piece of dog poop.

pointers
Sep 4, 2008

Binary Logic posted:

That imagery is hilarious. Church, hockey... :quebec:

For more accuracy one of the hockey players should have a cigarette in his mouth.
I'm fairly certain the cross isn't supposed to be representing "church", but rather the peak of the mountain in Montreal, given that the biosphere, biodome, and la ronde also seem to be pictured.

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

pointers posted:

I'm fairly certain the cross isn't supposed to be representing "church", but rather the peak of the mountain in Montreal, given that the biosphere, biodome, and la ronde also seem to be pictured.

Reminder:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQ5LD4Rw85M&t=37s

"Nous avons le droit d'ętre fiers de nos valeurs" as the Mont Royal cross flashes onscreen for an instant.

Pinterest Mom fucked around with this message at 22:35 on Feb 1, 2014

PittTheElder
Feb 13, 2012

:geno: Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

Kafka Esq. posted:

Donitz pretty much had that poo poo sewn up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHnyQXyuTGY

nihil morari
Sep 24, 2011

by Ralp

Helsing posted:

You couldn't certainly make a (very spurious) comparison to Stalin or Saddam as far as having a ruthless and politically talented leader who, due to his leadership style, is surrounded by incompetent buffoons who can't take any independent action.

My friend sees Harper as some sort of glorious leader because he "gets things done". I don't really understand how having a fascist-esque prime minister is in anyway a good thing, but yeah, if CPC does anything right it's branding themselves I guess

Professor Shark
May 22, 2012

Not to get all Godwin- Harper is bad but he certainly isn't Hitler- but don't a lot of Indian youth respect Hitler for his strength and ability to get poo poo done?

brucio
Nov 22, 2004
Trudeau's senate gambit seems to have really pissed off Warren Kinsella. His reasons are kinda weak, in my opinion.

http://warrenkinsella.com/2014/02/in-sundays-sun-ten-reasons-why-trudeaus-senate-move-is-a-bad-one/

Excelzior
Jun 24, 2013

I like how much of the reasons kind of subtly acknowledge how the Senate is just a facade of "democracy" that doesn't really do anything and, in the same breath, decry Trudeau moving it a step closer to the dustbin of history.

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ARACHTION
Mar 10, 2012

Professor Shark posted:

Not to get all Godwin- Harper is bad but he certainly isn't Hitler- but don't a lot of Indian youth respect Hitler for his strength and ability to get poo poo done?

Yeah, I heard that in a CBC radio interview. They surveyed the kids to choose who they think is the most admirable and Hitler came first for a lot of them. Higher than Gandhi if I recall!

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