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My word, this rape... it's realistically inaccurate !!
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Feb 7, 2014 18:30
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Marijuana posted:It's hard to tell if GRRM did this deliberately or not. No, it really isn't. I can 100% guarantee you GRRM didn't write Game of Thrones with a printout of medieval rape statistics on his desk so that he could include a disproportionate amount of female rape in the book. Because that's really stupid.
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Feb 7, 2014 18:32
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Yeahhhh I think I liked rapechat better when its focus was "why is there so much goshdarn rape in these books" rather than "what does this series' choice of rape targets tell us about the author's underlying assumptions about rape; let's have an in-depth discussion of Rape Theory in the GoT Spoiler Thread: Only Chat." (also "these male rape victims don't count as dudes because they're totally girly" was kind of a particularly weird thing to say)
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Feb 7, 2014 18:40
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Kainser posted:A unified Westeros is very much an aberration created by the Targaryens and their dragons, there is no real reason for it to still be around except for inertia. I'm guessing that the Lord Paramounts will figure that out at some point. The Lords Paramount all figured this out a long time ago, when the Iron Islands and the North and Riverlands declared themselves as independent kingdoms; the reason the other Great Houses didn't follow is simple. Why be the sovereign of one kingdom when you could conceivably be the sovereign - or at the very least an influential agent behind the throne - of eight? The Northmen were basically isolated already and had an axe to grind, the Ironborn have their bizarre pride and Old Ways, and the Riverlanders were brought in via marriage, but every other house has a conceivable stake in the leadership of the entire continent. The Targaryen monarchy was definitely an aberration, but now everyone knows "one king, one kingdom" can work, and no one wants to put that particular genie back in the bottle, so long as they can benefit from that hierarchical structure. Hell, if Daenerys took the Iron Throne and incorporated Mereen and Astapor into satellite territories of Westeros, in a century the descendants of the current generation would be fighting tooth and nail to still keep them. No one in Westeros is in the business of giving up power.
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Feb 7, 2014 19:00
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loquacius posted:Yeahhhh I think I liked rapechat better when its focus was "why is there so much goshdarn rape in these books" rather than "what does this series' choice of rape targets tell us about the author's underlying assumptions about rape; let's have an in-depth discussion of Rape Theory in the GoT Spoiler Thread: Only Chat." Why don't you like it? Does it make you uncomfortable? It makes me uncomfortable, but I think it's worth exploring. quote:(also "these male rape victims don't count as dudes because they're totally girly" was kind of a particularly weird thing to say) I didn't pull that out of my rear end. It's in the text. Sorry you think it's weird, but I didn't write these stories.
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Feb 7, 2014 19:06
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Marijuana posted:Why don't you like it? Does it make you uncomfortable? It makes me uncomfortable, but I think it's worth exploring. Because, trying to extrapolate author intentions out of a story are the worst kind of analysis. Corey Olsen calls it critfiction. I call it a worthless analysis of a text.
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Feb 7, 2014 19:10
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rypakal posted:Welcome to "how to become a King 101" Yes, that helps him become king. The argument that was laid out was whether he was the best of the 5 people claiming the throne to be king. And IMO, a puppet king who is compared to his older brother who bankrupt the kingdom, didn't give a crap about actually ruling, actually had no legitimate claim, and just liked to party is not the best option for king. As others have said, he'd have likely left no heir, added to the kingdom's debt, and left it with another succession battle when he died. Even if Margaery did happen to have kids, there's a good chance someone could fight their legitimacy since it seemed to be the world's worst kept secret that Renly was gay. I actually think that a Stannis/Renly team may have been best for the people of Westeros, but honestly all of the current choices have major flaws. A Renly/Robb compromise also would have likely benefited the kingdom quite a bit. I just don't think we should white-wash Renly into this guy that would have been an amazing king if only his brother hadn't killed him...there was enough information about him to know that he certainly wasn't going to be a great king.
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Marijuana posted:I didn't pull that out of my rear end. It's in the text. Sorry you think it's weird, but I didn't write these stories. Was it pulled out against your will? Are you girly?
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I like Stannis because he's emblematic of the lowering of expectations this series is good at. First you pull for Ned to put the Lannisters in check and rule as Lord Protector. He dies, so you pull for Robb and his Northern Independence movement, and heck, maybe Tyrion in de facto charge can handle things in Kings Landing pretty well. Woops, Robb is betrayed and killed, Tyrion is thrown from power and then exiled, so who's left? Well, the worst parts of the Lannisters, the Boltons and the Freys as power players (and I guess the Tyrell's too but you don't really get to peek too deep into what's going on with them aside from a couple Sansa chapters). What do we have left? Oh, old, inflexible Stannis. And he looks good by comparison. I remember a post of Stannis eventually clawing his way to close to holding the Iron Throne and encountering Dany, who has the superior claim, the dragons, and the loyalty of R'hllor (perhaps Melisandre drops him in favor of Danaerys?) and, unable to reconcile his Right To the Throne with reality, goes out like Rorschach in the Watchmen, begging her to blow his head off or something.
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Feb 8, 2014 00:03
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Marijuana posted:Why don't you like it? Does it make you uncomfortable? It makes me uncomfortable, but I think it's worth exploring. I can't speak for the rest of the audience, but personally I see little point in talking about building a family and a career on 4chan; less point in talking about literature and the humanities on the XKCD forums; and least point of all in talking about sexuality and social relationships on SA. You would be discussing those subjects with people who can offer at best a detached outsider's perspective, and at worst a bitter and twisted contempt towards the entire field.
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Marijuana posted:Nope. We're making the case that there is some kind of hosed up (and realistically inaccurate) gender bias with regards to sexual assault going on in this series. It's hard to tell if GRRM did this deliberately or not. Creepy pictures aside, I'm leaning towards not because he has made really stupid mistakes like making it possible to shoot arrows to the top of a seven hundred foot ice wall. "Creepy pictures aside"? So because GRRM is an old fat dude who wears weird clothes, he's also a creep who could be reasonably suspected to deliberately misrepresent rape. Okay. "Look at this ugly old hag! She even has a wart on her nose. Surely she must be a witch!"
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Sorry to interrupt the oh-so-riveting rehash of RapeChat, but here's a very brief bit of new footage: http://instagram.com/p/kIDPhbsbFK/ A few shots of Joff's wedding, Tyrion's trial, Sansa at the Eyrie and (I think) underneath King's Landing as well. Apparently there's a 15-minute "look forward/look back" teaser/reminder/behind-the-scenes thing airing on Sunday night.
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Feb 8, 2014 01:41
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It's proper strange that I'm more hyped for Sansa at the Eyrie than anything else. My favourite chapter of all the books for sure.
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Feb 8, 2014 01:44
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I'm a little peeved she still has red hair at the Eyrie.
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Lovechop posted:It's proper strange that I'm more hyped for Sansa at the Eyrie than anything else. My favourite chapter of all the books for sure.
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Alekanderu posted:"Creepy pictures aside"? So because GRRM is an old fat dude who wears weird clothes, he's also a creep who could be reasonably suspected to deliberately misrepresent rape. Okay. No that's not what makes GRRM's pictures creepy. I mean I hate to participate further in this rapechat extravaganza but if you just look at those 'GRRM with fans' pictures posted a couple of pages ago there's this one strange detail that will just make you go 'huh, I guess that is kinda creepy'. Compare the pictures where he hangs out with female fans to the one where there's a guy next to him.
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In It For The Tank posted:I'm a little peeved she still has red hair at the Eyrie. I'm wondering how they're going to do the whole Alayne identity (if they even keep it at all) without confusing the common viewers. On the other hand, if they can follow Hope / Gina on a soap opera, GoT could also pull it off.
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geeves posted:I'm wondering how they're going to do the whole Alayne identity (if they even keep it at all) without confusing the common viewers. On the other hand, if they can follow Hope / Gina on a soap opera, GoT could also pull it off. I don't see what's so hard, it's just "Oh yeah your name is "Alayne" now and you're my daughter". Just don't have her meet up with anyone we've seen her with before and it'll be easy.
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Feb 8, 2014 04:25
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The finale of the series will be the Others slowly and in painful detail raping every single POV character with ice.
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Moridin920 posted:The finale of the series will be the Others slowly and in painful detail raping every single POV character with ice. So long as it's statistically accurate I think everyone will be satisfied.
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I want fully fleshed-out tables of demographics so I can bust out my d10s and roll for Westerosi Rape Victims.
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Lovechop posted:It's proper strange that I'm more hyped for Sansa at the Eyrie than anything else. My favourite chapter of all the books for sure.
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geeves posted:I'm wondering how they're going to do the whole Alayne identity (if they even keep it at all) without confusing the common viewers. On the other hand, if they can follow Hope / Gina on a soap opera, GoT could also pull it off. I also have no idea how they're going to do Jeyne Poole because one of the important parts of her is that she recognizes Theon, and they can't just invent an extra that will have that connection wit him.
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Feb 8, 2014 05:53
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Sansa's assumed identity might not be as important if Littlefinger's posse get cut. She can dye her hair next season before the meeting with the Lords Declarant.
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Mike N Eich posted:I also have no idea how they're going to do Jeyne Poole because one of the important parts of her is that she recognizes Theon, and they can't just invent an extra that will have that connection wit him. Since Myranda's confirmed back and she's shown screwing Ramsay in the trailer, she's prime candidate right now for Jeyne Poole's substitute. Gonna be a bit hard to rectify her involvement in Theon's castration and try to garner some audience sympathy if that's the case though. Even if she has a change of heart or something when suddenly she's the one in danger, I'd tell her to get hosed if she asked for my help. Actually, now that I think about it, she might be the Kyra substitute. Maybe she gets in over her head and goes to Theon to help her escape, and Theon sells her out, demonstrating his full transformation into Ramsay's creature.
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Mike N Eich posted:I also have no idea how they're going to do Jeyne Poole because one of the important parts of her is that she recognizes Theon, and they can't just invent an extra that will have that connection wit him.
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Alekanderu posted:"Creepy pictures aside"? So because GRRM is an old fat dude who wears weird clothes, he's also a creep who could be reasonably suspected to deliberately misrepresent rape. Okay. Reposting for page 111. 
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Old Man Frowns: Is There More To This Story?
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Mike N Eich posted:I like Stannis because he's emblematic of the lowering of expectations this series is good at. First you pull for Ned to put the Lannisters in check and rule as Lord Protector. He dies, so you pull for Robb and his Northern Independence movement, and heck, maybe Tyrion in de facto charge can handle things in Kings Landing pretty well. Woops, Robb is betrayed and killed, Tyrion is thrown from power and then exiled, so who's left? Well, the worst parts of the Lannisters, the Boltons and the Freys as power players (and I guess the Tyrell's too but you don't really get to peek too deep into what's going on with them aside from a couple Sansa chapters). What do we have left? Oh, old, inflexible Stannis. And he looks good by comparison. Stannis is the "kill em all option" without cheering for literal ice monsters.
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Marijuana posted:Reposting for page 111. I find it amazing that someone who is a feminist profiles someone based purely on how they look
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For all the people saying 'Renly won't produce an heir therefore there will be another challenge down the line', remember that Stannis' wife can't carry a male baby to term. So the Baratheon line is essentially dead now unless his wife dies and he takes a fertile new bride.
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Shireen would inherit if Stannis dies without a male heir and she is presumably capable of having children someday. The Baratheon line would continue through her, with her children inheriting the Baratheon name rather than her husband's.
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Feb 8, 2014 07:35
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Watch Gendry suddenly reemerge as the compromise candidate for the Iron Throne after everyone else dies/goes crazy, thus explaining his prominence in the show.
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Speaking of which, Mya Stone played a suspiciously large part in AFFC and she is Robert's firstborn. I know she's not even in the show but could be introduced later on. Of course, bastards have no power unless legitimized and monarchy is kind of dumb anyway, but something to consider? 
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Given enough time to contemplate things, you, too, can come up with a very detailed analysis of TORMUND'S DONG SIZE.
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Apoplexy posted:Old Man Frowns: Is There More To This Story? look at the hands
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Goons relentlessly attacking a dude for being creepy. I think GRRM would might say that's "the crow calling the raven black". Seriously though. He put his hand on her hand. It's more grandfatherly than anything else.
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escape artist posted:Goons relentlessly attacking a dude for being creepy. Grandfathers who are touchy feely with their granddaughters but not their grandsons are creepy.
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Mecca-Benghazi posted:Speaking of which, Mya Stone played a suspiciously large part in AFFC and she is Robert's firstborn. I know she's not even in the show but could be introduced later on. Of course, bastards have no power unless legitimized and monarchy is kind of dumb anyway, but something to consider? IIRC bastards can take thrones as long as they have a good PR person and an army, like everything else in the world the rules can easily be broken. Cat even said something like that in AGOT regarding Jon.
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