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TheKennedys posted:I can't get the site to load because apparently the internet hates me, but it looks like the Kansas Senate has already nixed (or is planning to) the illustrious discrimination bill. If you can get it to work, the link that's going around is this one. Was just coming to post this, cooler heads prevail.
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I can't help but wonder why the politicians bothered putting forward the bill. I know that it was supposed to please their homophobic constituents, but their rapid failure just proves that their position is weaker and weaker by the day, which isn't a view the politicians want to cultivate
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DreamShipWrecked posted:I can't help but wonder why the politicians bothered putting forward the bill. I know that it was supposed to please their homophobic constituents, but their rapid failure just proves that their position is weaker and weaker by the day, which isn't a view the politicians want to cultivate You're conflating a person's desire to get elected with their personal philosophical beliefs. The evidence points towards the legislature being filled with the sort of classic politician that promises hot air just to get elected.
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DreamShipWrecked posted:I can't help but wonder why the politicians bothered putting forward the bill. I know that it was supposed to please their homophobic constituents, but their rapid failure just proves that their position is weaker and weaker by the day, which isn't a view the politicians want to cultivate It probably looked good on paper and was a fat steak to toss out to their base. No one thought to consider the implications much past that. E: it also didn't help that it got national attention
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Kentucky's House Speaker co-sponsored a bill aimed to prevent discrimination towards LGBT citizens. It's expected to be legalized, with majority support from the House already and a record number of co-sponsors in the Senate. Not marriage equality, but a good step in the right direction nonetheless for Kentucky. Missouri's governor said he'd vote to repeal the gay marriage ban in the state. Chris James 2 fucked around with this message at 21:20 on Feb 17, 2014 |
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The Indiana marriage equality ban won't be on the ballot this year. Senate just passed the amended version.
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Sweeney Tom posted:The Illinois marriage equality ban won't be on the ballot this year. Senate just passed the amended version. Uh, you mean Indiana?
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I got the inside scoop from Indiana. Freedom Indiana didn't bother with South Bend until December. They had phone banking in Indianapolis, I think. The Bend is decidedly blue, but decidedly Catholic. Lilly, with home office in Indy, came out strongly against HJR-6 the moment it was announced. Notre Dame has been conspicuously silent on the issue. Being the blue part of the state, none of our legislators are 'on the fence', so they saw no point asking us to call our reps. They showed up in December to solicit funds and to recruit volunteers. They didn't really get much cash, but they got a HUGE turnout for the phone banking. There's a seriously hip GBLT culture growing in South Bend. And we're starting to suck in the Notre Dame undergrads, who are decidedly in favor of GLBT rights. Plus, hey, new pope. Trumans, our old and trusted gay bar, shut down a year or two back. Since then, a group called the 'Guerrilla Gay Bar' has been having monthly parties at various classy non-smoking establishments. Party gets going late, and it's insane all night. A couple weeks ago we met at LaSalle Kitchen and Tavern, the third floor club above the swankiest restaurant in downtown. The place was packed to capacity - they've never done that before. They were turning people away at the door, and there was a line forming. I'm on the planning committee for Pride Prom, our pride event in June (this will be our second annual), and there's killer buzz for it this year. Last year was a wild success, with about 300 tickets sold. The network in town is far more sophisticated this year than last, and everyone's been talking about that party since it happened. So the phone banking is a magnificently engineered machine. They were tuning it as it went, adjusting the scripts, targeting specific districts, all based on the latest numbers. South Bend wasn't expected to show up, and they became a machine. It takes two or three tries at a phone bank to really 'get the hang of it', and there were probably 30 people that did at least 2 phone bankings. The folks that showed up all bonded, started going to shows together... we sat on the balcony at The State Theater for saturday night's performance of the Rocky Horror Shadowcast by the South Bend Hot Patooties, and we partied with the South Bend Roller Girls after they had a match on ND campus - there's a lot of overlap between these groups, plus the burlesque, and The Pool, and... well, you get the idea. It's like Portland or Austin or any other hip place. The Mayor sent his regards as we partied at McCormick's, following the big win in Indy. Mayor Pete came to the Pride Prom, in 2013. He tended bar - he said he 'wanted to be of service.' He's shipping off to Afghanistan this week - he's navy reserve. I honestly expect him to run for president some day. Rhodes scholar, oxford trained economist - lost to Mourdock for Treasurer, the election prior to becoming Mayor. I went to high school with the kid, he always kicked my rear end up and down the chess board. Delegates from South Bend often went down to Indy for key votes. In the USAToday article yesterday, the woman in the photo (with the 'I<3SB' button) is Aimee, a woman from south central LA who came to South Bend to work for Freedom Indiana. Word is, Wendy Davis' gubernatorial campaign wanted to steal Aimee away from Freedom Indiana early, but Aimee opted to see this through. At one point, the South Bend city council had a vote on whether or not to send a sternly-worded letter to the legislators telling them how stupid it is to even be considering a constitutional amendment on this issue at this time. We crowded the courthouse - same as we did a year or so back, when we petitioned them to allow Halfpint to offer tattoos in the back of his gallery space downtown - and got a 'yes' vote through grassroots lobbying. Funny story that, it ends with Henry Davis Junior, who is on our city council, posting a story to his facebook page about don't ask don't tell and bestiality, and the photo he put with the article was an actual photo of a man loving a dog. That's still playing out. I can explain further if you're curious. I think Wonkette covered it, but they got it wrong - he definitely isn't a channer. It was a buddy I met through OccupySouthBend that took the screenshots, and BrideOfUglycat (we're totally friends now, btw) had a role in getting them to the local media. Both of them (and a dude who organizes the Michiana Manalogues) engaged Davis on the post, and they all went after the article - not the fact that he posted bestiality to facebook. For my part, I saw it go live, hovered my mouse over the 'report' button (which surely would have taken it down before a stink was made), and thought 'nah, I wanna see this play out.' So yeah. I don't believe Indiana will be an issue again. We got this poo poo. edit - we could use a national campaign to pressure Notre Dame into recognizing same-sex married couples with their benefits packages. Uglycat fucked around with this message at 09:31 on Feb 18, 2014 |
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Uglycat posted:I got the inside scoop from Indiana. FI was really running on a shoe-string budget. They wanted to spend the dollars the best they could and save enough for donors to give big if it came to a November ballot. There's only so much you can do before the legislature actually meets. Even though a lot of phone banking happened in the big cities, they targeted districts all over the state. There probably was some concern Bauer, one of South Bend's reps, would vote for it again, but I think they figured out pretty early on he wouldn't do it and decided not to waste the time. And they were right not to waste time with lobbying mostly Democrats. Every Democrat present voted against HJR-3 except for one lone Senator. I'd never say it is completely dead until it is voted down. But I think the marriage fight is more likely to be dead to a Supremes ruling than anything else.
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Teddybear posted:It would be funny if these weren't the issues causing devastatingly high suicide rates among LGBT youth. It's 2 years old now, but everyone here should read this if you haven't already... because gently caress "conservative christian values" and their effects on LGBT youth.
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A Winner is Jew posted:It's 2 years old now, but everyone here should read this if you haven't already... because gently caress "conservative christian values" and their effects on LGBT youth. Hey now, have you considered that they may have commit suicide because they're disgusting and abnormal? Tony Perkins posted:Some homosexuals may recognize intuitively that their same-sex attractions are abnormal–yet they have been told by the homosexual movement, and their allies in the media and the educational establishment, that they are “born gay” and can never change. This–and not society’s disapproval–may create a sense of despair that can lead to suicide. EDIT: I should note that that Perkins quote comes from an article that literally has "Christian compassion" in the title, which would be pretty funny if it wasn't so sickening. MaxxBot fucked around with this message at 20:54 on Feb 18, 2014 |
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Uglycat posted:I got the inside scoop from Indiana... Sup Fellow South Bend Goon! I've been posting stories on Indiana as they come in but looks like you covered everything over the past year in one nice post and even more! Thanks for the help!
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MaxxBot posted:Hey now, have you considered that they may have commit suicide because they're disgusting and abnormal? I want to write a long, well thought-out post in response to this but I'm far too angry to do so. gently caress this guy.
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Notorious QIG posted:I want to write a long, well thought-out post in response to this but I'm far too angry to do so. gently caress this guy. Eh save your anger. This is just the textbook conservative response to all harms that their bigotry inflicts on their victims: dismiss them as self-inflicted and champion that as proof that said group really is inferior after all. Hurting minorities is the entire point, so don't be shocked that evidence of harm is taken as vindication of the conservative worldview.
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A Winner is Jew posted:It's 2 years old now, but everyone here should read this if you haven't already... because gently caress "conservative christian values" and their effects on LGBT youth. On a more fun note, after San Antonio passed our non-discrimination ordinance, there were a bunch of recall petitions started by pissed-off conservatives to try to recall Councilman Diego Bernal, because he sponsored the ordinance, and mayor Julian Castro, because he supported the ordinance. So, how did those work out? Well, the recall petitions failed (obviously), but just look at all the support they got; there's a whole six people there! fade5 fucked around with this message at 22:07 on Feb 18, 2014 |
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Another state down! This comes from Right Wing nut jobs at Focus on Familyquote:The Washington House of Representatives passed legislation on Thursday that would make it illegal for minors to receive counseling for unwanted same-sex attractions.
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What website is that from? "For those who want to change, SOCE therapy can work" edit: Oops, didn't really read your comments
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"What are you guys so worried about? The anti-gay laws in Uganda (which I am a direct cause, and proud of, by the way) aren't all that bad!" -Scott LivelyScott Lively posted:The AP is circulating a story on Obama’s criticism of Uganda today which features my photo and references to my case. I was not interviewed for this story, even though my name and picture are being used in it. Although I am portrayed in this story as a pastor, I am also a lawyer. I majored in International Human Rights in law school and have practiced as a human rights consultant in numerous countries. I also hold a Certificate in human rights (1997) from the U.N. administered Institute of International Human Rights in Strasbourg.
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staticman posted:"What are you guys so worried about? The anti-gay laws in Uganda (which I am a direct cause, and proud of, by the way) aren't all that bad!" -Scott Lively You'd think a lawyer with a major in International Human Rights wouldn't currently be on trial for crimes against humanity but here we are.
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"Pretty lenient" http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/16/world/africa/mob-attacks-gay-men-in-nigerias-capital.html quote:DAKAR, Senegal — A mob attacked gay people in a neighborhood in Abuja, the capital of Nigeria, dragging young men from their homes, beating them with nail-studded clubs and whips, and shouting that they were “cleansing the community” of gays, several Nigerian activists and a witness said Saturday.
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quote:“The rights of people to get counseling in a way that is consistent with their faith, and the rights of people to receive counseling that they want for themselves, are very much at stake.” Okay correct me if I'm wrong but SOCE counseling is only illegal for minors right? Like, if an 18 year old says "I want to undergo SOCE counseling" then he still can. Is this accurate? Because if so then how is this impeding the rights of people to get counseling?
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Twelve by Pies posted:Okay correct me if I'm wrong but SOCE counseling is only illegal for minors right? Like, if an 18 year old says "I want to undergo SOCE counseling" then he still can. Is this accurate? It's not, it's just impeding the rights of parents who want to inflict torture and emotional abuse on their children.
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VirtualStranger posted:It's not, it's just impeding the rights of parents who want to inflict torture and emotional abuse on their children. Now to them it isn't torture or emotional abuse, they're sold snake oil by pastors who insist that their child can be changed. I have a hard time believing most parents send their kids off to that poo poo hoping they get tortured or emotionally abused.
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Spiffster posted:Sup Fellow South Bend Goon! I've been posting stories on Indiana as they come in but looks like you covered everything over the past year in one nice post and even more! Thanks for the help! e-mail me. kawphy at gmail dot com
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:Now to them it isn't torture or emotional abuse, they're sold snake oil by pastors who insist that their child can be changed. I have a hard time believing most parents send their kids off to that poo poo hoping they get tortured or emotionally abused. And? It doesn't make a difference to the abused child whether his parents genuinely believe he has a curable illness or whether they want him to suffer, if they inflict pain on him or send him to a torture camp. I mean I try not to hold anything against my parents too much, after all, they're victims of a lovely religion and a lovely worldview and because of that they hurt me when they think they're helping...but the effect on me is as bad as if they hated me. Worse even, because at least if I thought they hated me I could just hate them back. And I'm one of the lucky ones who was able to hide it, and who never took Christianity or anti-gay bullshit too seriously. I can hardly imagine what it's like for a kid who does accept everything he's told about what an abominable twisted thing he is
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National Organization for Marriage is thinking of suing to get HJR-3 on the Indiana ballot in 2014:quote:INDIANAPOLIS - A national pro-marriage group is considering whether to take legal action to force HJR-3 on the Indiana ballot in November 2014. There's been no shortage of conservative chucklefucks going on local airwaves saying FINALLY WE CAN TALK ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE. But it is their side refusing to let it go.
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notthegoatseguy posted:National Organization for Marriage is thinking of suing to get HJR-3 on the Indiana ballot in 2014: A pro-marriage group, as opposed to those homosexual groups opposed to marriage.
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Notorious QIG posted:A pro-marriage group, as opposed to those homosexual groups opposed to marriage. Love this. "People getting married will destroy marriage" is one of the strangest doublethink examples that exist in this world
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DreamShipWrecked posted:Love this. "People getting married will destroy marriage" is one of the strangest doublethink examples that exist in this world Two of my best friends were the first gay couple to get married in my state when we enacted marriage equality. This is clearly because they hate the institution of marriage and want to see it destroyed. This is also why they are currently on their (belated) honeymoon, to really rub it in the faces of heterosexuals just how dead marriage is.
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notthegoatseguy posted:National Organization for Marriage is thinking of suing to get HJR-3 on the Indiana ballot in 2014: Soooo let me get this straight... The supporters of HJR-3 have been trumpeting that this is the will of the people and if it goes through the right channels then it is just democracy in action, but when things deviate and get delayed by a min. of 2 years, They go ballistic and try to sue to get their way. The hypocrisy is amazing if not so sad However, even in the interview, it looks like they know it won't work but are trying an all or nothing move because they are just that desperate.
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DreamShipWrecked posted:Love this. "People getting married will destroy marriage" is one of the strangest doublethink examples that exist in this world You you mean aren't advocating mandatory gay marriages?
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"We are building a coalition of the willing" has got to be the funniest part of that story.
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notthegoatseguy posted:National Organization for Marriage is thinking of suing to get HJR-3 on the Indiana ballot in 2014: Stuff like this really shows how desperate these people are getting. They're seeing the dominoes fall all around them and they know they've barely won a single victory in years, and now they're lashing out for anything they can get before it's too late. VirtualStranger fucked around with this message at 21:23 on Feb 19, 2014 |
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VirtualStranger posted:Stuff like this really shows how desperate these people are getting. They're seeing the dominoes fall all around them and they know they've barely won a single victory in years, and now they're lashing out for any victory they can get before it's too late. It's been said before, but it's mindblowing how fast the tide turned on this one. California passed Prop 8 in 2008, by 2012 it was an obvious enough winner that national-level Democrats stopped fence-sitting, and by mid 2013 victory was pretty much inevitable. At this point I think all moderate support has been peeled away, it's only the hardcore Focus on the Family types who even care anymore. Well, them and Russia
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RZApublican posted:"We are building a coalition of the willing" has got to be the funniest part of that story. A coalition of the unwilling would be less enthusiastic.
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I hope NOM has a crazy scheme and not just empty threats or nebulous claims of a right to a public vote. All I can come up with is that by introducing the amended version of HJR-3, the Senate "violated the requirement" to re-vote on the constitutional amendment that passed in 2011.
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Holy poo poo it was a bad day for bigots http://www.buzzfeed.com/tonymerevick/lgbt-discrimination-bills-fail quote:
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:
It's blowing my mind how quickly this has progressed. I thought Prop 8 was proof it was going to take another 30 years. I guess that's what the Mormon and Catholic churches thought too.
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Maine also basically killed similar legislation the morning: http://www.pressherald.com/politics/Maine_Senate_rejects__religous_freedom__bill_.html Here's the text of the bill: http://www.mainelegislature.org/legis/bills/bills_126th/billtexts/SP051401.asp Basically, it's not as bad as what Kansas had proposed, but still would have created religious exemptions from our marriage and nondiscrimination laws (Maine has had marriage equality since the end of 2012, and trans-inclusive nondiscrimination laws since 2005). The Senate voted to support the Judiciary commitee's recommendation of "Ought Not to Pass", meaning it now goes to the House, where it will most likely die the horrible death it deserves thanks to our having a fairly large Democratic majority there.
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cruft posted:It's blowing my mind how quickly this has progressed. I thought Prop 8 was proof it was going to take another 30 years. Strangely enough, even the Catholic church is at least laying off on the rhetoric thanks to Pope Francis telling people to chill. Doesn't stop groups like the Knights of Columbus or their ilk from still being lovely but the fact the freaking pope is telling the flock to chill is a huge step for them. Not sure about the LDS's currently. Pretty sure they are still being a pain in the rear end
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