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Finally slogged through the last twenty pages of Balance Point. Yeech. Edge of Victory, here I come.
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Casimir Radon posted:They've got a new image since last time I checked. I didn't read the book, but... teeth? Then again, Jabba's dad had dreadlocks, so what the hell do I know about Hutts.
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The Hutts are basically the most powerful species in the galaxy according to the EU. Aside from the fact that they live ten times as long as humans, have blaster-proof skin, can metabolise almost anything, are immune to most poisons, can't be affected by Jedi mind tricks and can vacuum seal themselves to survive in space, they've control an entire region of space that makes them all kinds of money and there's nothing the Empire or Republic can seemingly do about it, they control pretty much half the organised crime in the entire galaxy, they had a star empire before almost every other species. To top it off, they get to spend basically all their time lying about and eating.
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Feb 18, 2014 00:56
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I'm more disturbed by Leia and her 'uh yeah whatever' apathetic facial expression really.
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Feb 18, 2014 00:57
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Honestly your avatar kinda looks like the hutt.
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Feb 18, 2014 01:34
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Chairman Capone posted:Because that clearly makes perfect sense for the character. To be fair, it isn't the only emperor's hand in history that Lando has befriended that ended up a smuggler.
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After that last pile of crap, Edge of Victory was a literary loving masterpiece. Keyes seems to have a real knack for writing relationships between characters, and thanks to these books, I'm suddenly loving the Vong. All that lovely detail, all these lovely quirks and heresies. I really hope Nen Yim keeps on being a good villain. Next up, Troy Denning with Star by Star. Oh boy.
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I really like the Vong as villains. I wish that some more decent writers had been able to have a crack at writing them.
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Siivola posted:After that last pile of crap, Edge of Victory was a literary loving masterpiece. Keyes seems to have a real knack for writing relationships between characters, and thanks to these books, I'm suddenly loving the Vong. All that lovely detail, all these lovely quirks and heresies. I really hope Nen Yim keeps on being a good villain.
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Yeah, for all the hate the NJO gets, the Vong were really good villains most of the time, especially Nen Yim and Nom Anor. Sure, their technology didn't always make sense, but it's Star Wars, what does make sense? I think it was someone a few threads ago who basically said that the whole of the NJO is really an alien invasion story in a universe where aliens already live right up the block from you. It doesn't always work (looking at you, Balance Point and Dark Journey), but I applaud it for actually taking Star Wars in a fairly new direction and ending the series in a point where returning to the status quo might not be possible. Then bugnest orgies came along and everything got weird, then the series after that tried its hardest to take things back to that status quo in the dumbest way possible. Tumblr of scotch fucked around with this message at 05:43 on Feb 20, 2014 |
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NJO is pretty drat solid and I have no issues with it, even with the weaker books. It pulled the EU out of the rut, such a shame that most of it is now just another Star Wars.
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So seeing as the "Let's Read Terrible Star Wars Books" thread is archived, and I wanted to preserve my lame attempts at humor, I've started to redo them on my new blog, so you can read them here.
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Flagrant Abuse posted:Then bugnest orgies came along and everything got weird, then the series after that tried its hardest to take things back to that status quo in the dumbest way possible. I'm not sure which of the LOTF retcons was most frustrating. The way I see it, it was a three-way tie between a) Omas goes from being the Jedi Order's biggest supporters to a complete rear end who obstructs them at every turn (because there has to be contention between the Jedi and the senate) b) Coruscant is back to normal after being reshaped by the Vong and the world brain is killed off without much fanfare or c) Vergere was an evil Sith Lord all along. Of course, there's probably some I've forgotten. Those are the ones that stuck out to me when I read them (as they were coming out), and I've never re-read them.
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The thread is crazy-long, so I don't know if this has been asked before, but: Are there any EU books or stories centering around non-humans? Droids, aliens, whichever. I'm planning on reading the Yoda book but I'm hoping there's more out there, preferably book-length. The SW galaxy has so many crazy species in it and then basically every plot centers around humans. Feels like kind of a waste.
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Feb 20, 2014 20:09
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Tales of Jabba's Palace, Tales of Mos Eisley Cantina, Bounty Hunter Trilogy, probably others too.
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Mercy Kill is mostly about Voort saBinring, professor of mathematics and the only Gamorrean to ever have flown an X-Wing. You'll have to read the other Wraith Squadron books first, though.  Edit: Oh, a status report on Operation Vong Books: Star by Star is a boring, rear end-long YA novel and I feel like I'd rather clean the oven than keep reading it. And I'm only halfway through. Siivola fucked around with this message at 20:30 on Feb 20, 2014 |
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Feb 20, 2014 20:26
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Star by Star is only as relatively highly regarded because 1) the rest of NJO up to that point has been so abysmal 2) it contains a lot of payoffs for stuff that's been set up before In retrospect however, Troy Denning is awful and Star by Star was quite terrible. Not to worry, however, because you're headed into the 3 best books of the series, all paperback.
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Star by star is kinda lovely but the end part is pretty fun, although there's so much crap to get through.
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Star by Star is poo poo. I honestly don't get why so many people love it. In retrospect it exhibits all the problems of Denning's later works - his weirdly-sexualized view of Leia, heavy promotion of his pet characters, tons of bleak violence, characterization that makes no sense, and plot driven by editorial mandates rather than anything the characters would 'really' do. I guess the difference is from Dark Nest on Denning was driving the overall plot, while here he was pretty limited by the Lucasbooks team with what he could or couldn't do.A Tin Of Beans posted:Are there any EU books or stories centering around non-humans? Droids, aliens, whichever. I'm planning on reading the Yoda book but I'm hoping there's more out there, preferably book-length. The comic Starfighter: Crossbones is pretty much all about a group of alien pirates, and is pretty fun. Similarly the short comic The Devaronian Version, all about Vilmahr Grahrk and IMO probably the funniest EU work.
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Metal Loaf posted:The Hutts are basically the most powerful species in the galaxy according to the EU. Aside from the fact that they live ten times as long as humans, have blaster-proof skin, can metabolise almost anything, are immune to most poisons, can't be affected by Jedi mind tricks and can vacuum seal themselves to survive in space, they've control an entire region of space that makes them all kinds of money and there's nothing the Empire or Republic can seemingly do about it, they control pretty much half the organised crime in the entire galaxy, they had a star empire before almost every other species. But a waif of a female human can strangle one with a flimsy chain.
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Well, They do have some pretty stubby hands and short arms. Nobody is perfect.
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A Hutt's arms are his achilles exhaust port
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We all missed a golden oppotunity of having a Hutt with Jaxx style arm enhancements in the KJA era.
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SeanBeansShako posted:We all missed a golden oppotunity of having a Hutt with Jaxx style arm enhancements in the KJA era. But thankfully KW Jeter wrote the bounty hunter wars trilogy E: Though those hutts had more than arm enhancements, whatever.
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A Tin Of Beans posted:I'm planning on reading the Yoda book I see it's part of "Clone Wars"-series, do you need to read others to read it? I've only read Shatterpoint and maybe Cestus Deception but I don't remember it..
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The older Clone Wars line of books were all pretty standalone. Other than the two Medstar books, obviously.
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Conquistador posted:But thankfully KW Jeter wrote the bounty hunter wars trilogy Ah, yes, the Shell Hutts. The idea was that Hutts are immune to everything except radiation, so they sealed themselves in starship hull plating with built-in repulsors and robot arms. Still not as odd as that one bounty hunter who had a gun instead of a head.
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Siivola posted:Mercy Kill is mostly about Voort saBinring, professor of mathematics and the only Gamorrean to ever have flown an X-Wing. Can I skip the Rogue books and just read the Wraith ones? Corran "every lady wants that dick" Horn is really tedious to read about, as fun as the space battles and stuff are.  Nice to hear Yoda: Dark Rendevous is pretty standalone, because I was gonna charge headlong into it whether it was or not. Also, I'm definitely gonna check out the Tales books that were mentioned. Thanks! I don't know why I keep reading the EU. I got started with a copy of Crystal Star someone left in the breakroom at work, thought it was a miserable trash heap, and then ... started reading the Corellia trilogy where Han has to wrestle a space otter right after, since those were the next books to get left behind on the communal book shelf. Reading those two things had some of the worst Leia characterization I've ever seen. My favorite part of Crystal Star is probably how Leia manages to find her missing children by, like, Force crying or something.
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A Tin Of Beans posted:Can I skip the Rogue books and just read the Wraith ones? Corran "every lady wants that dick" Horn is really tedious to read about, as fun as the space battles and stuff are. Yes. The Wraith and Rogue books are completely separate plotlines.
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A Tin Of Beans posted:Reading those two things had some of the worst Leia characterization I've ever seen. Ok, now someone tell him about The Black Fleet Crisis.
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Ensign_Ricky posted:Ok, now someone tell him about The Black Fleet Crisis.
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Casimir Radon posted:It wasn't just the Leia characterizations that were hosed up. Granted.
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Worst Leia characterization? You can't forget Courtship of Princess Leia! Though maybe that really just has the worst characterization of Han.
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Jazerus posted:Worst Leia characterization? You can't forget Courtship of Princess Leia! Though maybe that really just has the worst characterization of Han. But the funniest song about him: C-3PO posted:He's got his own planet,
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I wish this book wasn't so long. I wish everyone in it wasn't so dumb. I wish it played Yakety Sax over this dumbass finale because it would be the perfect soundtrack. gently caress you, Star by Star. Edit: There! Done! gently caress you, Star by Star! Siivola fucked around with this message at 13:36 on Feb 22, 2014 |
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That bit with the song is even more hilarious as Han pulls a gun on Leia and knocks her out and kidnaps her.
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It's amazing how bland and boring Star By Star is considering what it was supposed to be about. Really says a lot about Denning as a writer
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I have to say one thing for Star by Star: It made Dark Journey look really good in comparison. A lot of it felt a bit rushed and kinda unpolished, but Cunningham's banter and wit made up for a lot. It also helps that the plot was essentially Jaina constantly one-upping herself at trolling the Vong. Still, I felt there was a lot of telling-not-showing going on, especially with the dark side bits. Her near fall and recovery didn't really feel all too satisfying as a result. But really, it had witty banter and two young people being smoothly awkward around each other. I'm a sucker for this stuff. And now, it's time for Rebel Dream. This is the reason I picked NJO up, Allston better deliver. Edit: Tycho just opened his mouth. This is the best book. Siivola fucked around with this message at 20:43 on Feb 22, 2014 |
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SeanBeansShako posted:That bit with the song is even more hilarious as Han pulls a gun on Leia and knocks her out and kidnaps her.  I'm so glad I've avoided most of the post-ROTJ EU since my initial few books, holy poo poo. Why can't everything just be Shadows of Mindor, forever?
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