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| Verity Lambert |
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| John Wiles |
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| Innes Lloyd |
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| Peter Bryant |
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| Derrick Sherwin |
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| Barry Letts |
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| Phillip Hinchcliffe |
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62 | 8.91% |
| Graham Williams |
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| John Nathan-Turner |
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| Philip Segal |
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| Russel T Davies |
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106 | 15.23% |
| Steven Moffat |
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114 | 16.38% |
| Son Goku |
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324 | 46.55% |
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Jerusalem posted:(Apparently Minuet in Hell? I haven't actually listened to that one). I will buy you a copy of this just to hear your thoughts on it. 
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thexerox123 posted:(This has clearly only happened since Time of the Doctor, which Umbra Dubium posted about in the previous thread) Recently held convictions can still be true convictions. That said, if I see UD posting about Capaldi, I'll be very disappointed. 
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Feb 28, 2014 05:38
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CobiWann posted:I will buy you a copy of this just to hear your thoughts on it. Does Big Finish even have a gifting/buy on behalf of somebody else option? It would make life a hell of a lot easier but their website is a loving nightmare to navigate.
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Feb 28, 2014 09:12
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Chairman Mao posted:<Lidster Horrors> Oh yes, that would be great. Season after season of unending misery porn.
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Feb 28, 2014 09:18
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Would Gatiss really want to do it, though? I'd always got the impression that he's a performer who also writes things sometimes. The only reason he script-edited Little Britain and produced Sherlock was because it was working with his mates. If I was the controller of BBC One I'd also be very nervous about putting a guy with almost no production credentials in charge of my biggest Saturday night drama.
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Feb 28, 2014 09:37
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Trin Tragula posted:Would Gatiss really want to do it, though? I'd always got the impression that he's a performer who also writes things sometimes. The only reason he script-edited Little Britain and produced Sherlock was because it was working with his mates. If I was the controller of BBC One I'd also be very nervous about putting a guy with almost no production credentials in charge of my biggest Saturday night drama. It's gonna be Chibnail, I reckon. He's a Who fan and accomplished producer. And, for all his faults as a writer he seems to "get" the ethos of DW pretty well, too.
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Feb 28, 2014 09:41
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DoctorWhat posted:It's gonna be Chibnail, I reckon. He's a Who fan and accomplished producer. And, for all his faults as a writer he seems to "get" the ethos of DW pretty well, too. The success he's had with Broadchurch has probably upped Chibnall's chances, but there are also Toby Whithouse and Neil Cross. All of them have helmed successful shows before and would definitely be up for it, and I'd say it's a pretty safe bet it's going to be one of those three.
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Feb 28, 2014 10:00
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Chibnall knocked it out of the park on Broadchurch but I've not been overly impressed with other stuff he's done (particularly his Doctor Who episodes) so I'm wary about that. I supposed the proposed second season of Broadchurch will show if that was an aberration or not, because I didn't think that was a show that really needed a season 2 (or could have one, based on where characters in season one end up) and it will take a pretty good writer to make that work.
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Feb 28, 2014 11:02
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Chokes McGee posted:But... they are blithering moron bureaucrats. Thanks to their portrayal in The Deadly Assassin. Duh. jng2058 posted:Well, you better quit watching, then. I, for one, find recent Doctor Who very uninspiring and don't really care if I miss an episode.
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Feb 28, 2014 11:45
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I like the stupid bureaucrat Time Lords because I never bought into the Doctor, the Master, or any other Time Lords being particularly inhuman, and the idea that the oldest civilization would consist at least in part of a huge, joyless bureaucracy seems very human to me. That's also part of why Looms peeve me off.
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Feb 28, 2014 12:22
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Much like the debate around the Time War, I much prefer the idea of the Time Lords being unknowably powerful and alien instead of being doddering old fools with their own Time Lord BBC.
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Feb 28, 2014 13:09
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That's part of what I liked about Time of the Doctor, it reminded me of the way they first appeared in The War Games even if they don't appear in person, they basically change the rules of the game the moment they take an active part in affairs. The Doctor loves to break the rules, but the Time Lords SET the rules.
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Feb 28, 2014 13:54
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I'm not too fussed either way. It might be nice if there was a bit more of a mix, though.
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Feb 28, 2014 13:56
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Jerusalem posted:Does Big Finish even have a gifting/buy on behalf of somebody else option? It would make life a hell of a lot easier but their website is a loving nightmare to navigate. From what I could figure out this morning, you can’t gift audios to people. Which sucks, but then again I usually burn them to a flash drive and hand them to any of my friends with the slightest interest in them. I did find this out this morning, however. Out of the first 50 Big Finish releases that they slashed prices on, the following are no longer available on CD, download only. quote:9. The Spectre Of Lanyon Moor An interesting list. I bet a few of these being unavailable are due to a lack of second/third pressings after the initial rush and lackluster reaction to the stories. On the topic of showrunners, it’s nice as a fan to see that there’s a lot of options. Moffat was pretty much waiting in the wings for a good bit of RTD’s run because he was a huge fan of the show and wrote some of the memorable episodes of the early revival. Having Gatiss/Chibnall/Whithouse/Cross available means that they all can make a pitch about where, when, and how they want to take the show instead of seeing it forced down one narrow path.
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Feb 28, 2014 14:08
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I could easily see the Time Lords having both of these sides, honestly. Bureaucratically-bound and too overly-governmental to be much more than a pain most of the time, but when their backs are against the wall they can be properly terrifying. Perhaps the former even evolved out of the latter. Time Lords have to be bound by massive amounts of red tape most of the time, because if they aren't they'll obliterate the universe with their crazy bullshit.
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Feb 28, 2014 14:15
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CobiWann posted:The Spectre Of Lanyon Moor.... Did people not like The Spectre of Lanyon Moor  ? The "monster" has a rubbish voice but otherwise it is a really enjoyable story with a great old-school feel, and the Brigadier is absolutely in top form.
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Feb 28, 2014 14:16
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Both Brigadier audios are sold out, Storm Warning is sold out for obvious reasons. Flip-Flop is highly regarded (and admittedly, unpleasant subtext aside, quite good) and it has unique packaging, Scourge features the only official live action composite shot of the never-was early 90s TARDIS crew on its cover. Pirates has that whole "Gallifreyan Buccaneer" song that people who weren't tired of parodies of the Major General's song like ten years ago loving love, and of course Twilight is the first of the Project audios, I'm sure those godawful things have a devoted audience somewhere. No idea about ...Ish and Nekromanteia.
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Feb 28, 2014 14:26
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CobiWann posted:On the topic of showrunners, it’s nice as a fan to see that there’s a lot of options. Moffat was pretty much waiting in the wings for a good bit of RTD’s run because he was a huge fan of the show and wrote some of the memorable episodes of the early revival. Having Gatiss/Chibnall/Whithouse/Cross available means that they all can make a pitch about where, when, and how they want to take the show instead of seeing it forced down one narrow path. None will ever match the peerless brilliance of the Son Goku era, though.
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Feb 28, 2014 14:30
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I meant SOME of them might have had a limited number of pressing. Something along the lines of Storm Warning might be very popular and sold out due to high demand before they decided to stop doing pressing across the board. And hopefully the same with Spectre which could have come right out of the Hinchcliffe era. There’s a reason that bugger got my vote in the poll! Popular ones like Spare Parts or The Chimes of Midnight might have had multiple pressings as well, but those are also the audios that “everyone” already owns, so the copies they have left, no one is buying. And then there’s people like me, who are completists (hey, there are lost episodes out there, I want a piece of Who history I can hold in my hand and call my own, drat it) and are filling in the gaps in their collection. Wouldn’t you feel a bit off if you looked at your DVD collection and, even though it’s not a good story, have a gap between The Caves of Androzani and Attack of the Cybermen, a gap you could fill with just a few quid?
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Feb 28, 2014 14:53
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CobiWann posted:On the topic of showrunners, it’s nice as a fan to see that there’s a lot of options. Moffat was pretty much waiting in the wings for a good bit of RTD’s run because he was a huge fan of the show and wrote some of the memorable episodes of the early revival. Having Gatiss/Chibnall/Whithouse/Cross available means that they all can make a pitch about where, when, and how they want to take the show instead of seeing it forced down one narrow path. Yeah, I definitely agree that more options makes for at least the possibility of a better end result. I actually wouldn't mind seeing a year or so of Moffat and Gatiss co-running the show as a transition, since they seem to balance out each others' excesses so well. Though I certainly think Gatiss could do it on his own as well, his most renowned work as a writer/producer that I'm aware of (League of Gentlemen, Sherlock) has been part of a collaborative team. Whithouse and Cross have each written some of my favorite episodes of the revival series (I think The Rings of Akhaten may well be my favorite episode of Matt Smith's time as the Doctor, and I really liked Being Human for the first couple of years (I haven't seen Luther at all, though I hear good things) so I certainly wouldn't mind seeing either of them take the helm. Chibnall...well, I'd have more confidence in his Doctor Who now than I would have had a few years ago, let's just leave it at that. I love Paul Cornell's writing, but I have no idea if he's even interested in the job, much less whether he'd be a good fit for it.
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Feb 28, 2014 15:09
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jng2058 posted:Well, you better quit watching, then. Seriously. That article asks "Why does this man still have a job?" The answer is that he gets results. The show, and Sherlock as well, are popular and get large audiences on not too large a budget. If you really want the Moff gone and yet still watch the show, you're part of the problem. Posts on SA mean nothing. Voting with your TV attention, presuming you can find enough other people to likewise not watch the show, is what counts. Awhile back, but this is truly a lovely opinion and borders on the "If you care so much, why are you talking about it on the internet instead of doing something?" fallacy. Not watching the show has absolutely no more effect than griping about it in whatever your social sphere is. There is no such thing as "voting with your TV" unless you're a damned Nielson family. Abstaining from your favorite shows does not remove the misogynist rear end in a top hat who's got his hands on the reins from power. As others have said, Moffat's writing isn't nearly as bad (in a nuts and bolts way) as some people make it out to be. It has some fanwank issues but he is frequently good at crafting a story. People can be good at their art and also really lovely human beings. It does become harder to take any sexism in the show with a grain of salt when the man in charge of it can't stop word vomiting his cave troll opinions about gender, but that doesn't mean you suddenly stop liking the television show, especially if you've committed yourself to watching about 700 episodes of it. It is possible (and frankly, necessary) to enjoy a piece of media and still be critical of its more pernicious aspects. Jerusalem posted:Did people not like The Spectre of Lanyon Moor I liked it  The monster voice was definitely silly and cartoony, but that's a problem with a lot of the early Big Finish stories, and it's easy enough (for me at least) to get past.
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Feb 28, 2014 15:25
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Cleretic posted:I could easily see the Time Lords having both of these sides, honestly. Bureaucratically-bound and too overly-governmental to be much more than a pain most of the time, but when their backs are against the wall they can be properly terrifying. Something I kinda liked with Time of the Doctor, and even with the Pandorica, was for once the assembled enemies of the Doctor were so completely terrified that they were uniting to do something for (what they at least thought was) the good of the universe. The mere remote possibility that the Time Lords might come back was enough to make the Daleks, Cybermen and Sontarans take a step back from bloody conquest of the universe and work together to try and do the right thing. Even the fact that they had to fight the Doctor, their most despised foe, was a completely incidental thing and just a bonus.
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Feb 28, 2014 15:32
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MrL_JaKiri posted:Much like the debate around the Time War, I much prefer the idea of the Time Lords being unknowably powerful and alien instead of being doddering old fools with their own Time Lord BBC. But think of all the funny hats we'd miss! Splendid caps, all of them.
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Feb 28, 2014 17:10
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Chokes McGee posted:But think of all the funny hats we'd miss! Also Romana.
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Feb 28, 2014 17:12
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MrL_JaKiri posted:I, for one, find recent Doctor Who very uninspiring and don't really care if I miss an episode. This is how I feel about current DW, as well. I watched the 50th Anniversary episode because, well, it was the 50th Anniversary episode. But beyond that I haven't bothered watching any recent DW since that one with the dinosaurs on a spaceship (at least, that's the last one I recall watching outside of the anniversary special).
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Feb 28, 2014 17:41
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To be honest, I wouldn't mind if I missed an episode of current Who and would just backfill at some point by binge-watching a few seasons, but I enjoy discussing it both in this thread and with the co-workers and friends I know who watch it, so I try to stay current. I definitely will want to see Capaldi's first episode.
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Feb 28, 2014 17:45
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bobkatt013 posted:Also Romana. Her name is Romanadvoratrelundar.
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Feb 28, 2014 17:49
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CobiWann posted:Her name is Romanadvoratrelundar. I think she goes by Fred
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Feb 28, 2014 17:53
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Bicyclops posted:I think she goes by Fred She is still married to an rear end in a top hat.
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Feb 28, 2014 17:55
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Bicyclops posted:Awhile back, but this is truly a lovely opinion and borders on the "If you care so much, why are you talking about it on the internet instead of doing something?" fallacy. Not watching the show has absolutely no more effect than griping about it in whatever your social sphere is. There is no such thing as "voting with your TV" unless you're a damned Nielson family. Abstaining from your favorite shows does not remove the misogynist rear end in a top hat who's got his hands on the reins from power. As others have said, Moffat's writing isn't nearly as bad (in a nuts and bolts way) as some people make it out to be. It has some fanwank issues but he is frequently good at crafting a story. People can be good at their art and also really lovely human beings. It does become harder to take any sexism in the show with a grain of salt when the man in charge of it can't stop word vomiting his cave troll opinions about gender, but that doesn't mean you suddenly stop liking the television show, especially if you've committed yourself to watching about 700 episodes of it. But Umbra Dubium wasn't criticizing the media, per say, he was criticizing the showrunner. like so: Umbra Dubium posted:Steven Moffat is an unrepentant misogynist, and the sooner he's removed from a position from which he can influence the young minds of a large and impressionable audience, the better. So, if that's where he (I presume) stands, where is there to go? If Moffat is so terrible, how can UD support his work? He isn't saying that Who is bad and could be improved. He's saying that Moffat is and should be fired. Where is there room to "be critical" when the demand is for Moffat to be removed? Particularly since the criticism stems from an article that focuses on the things Moffat has said and not on things actually in the show! So where is there room for compromise? Even the article that bashes Moffat can only point to "a lack of diversity" in the show as a reason for complaint. Instead it's almost all about the dumb things he's said in various interviews. How then can being critical about the show be at all useful for UD if the show itself isn't the problem but the man is? Oh and don't give me the Nielsen Defense. Nielsen is more important for broadcast than it is for cable, and if you're watching in the USA legally, you're watching it on BBC America and your cable box will tell them exactly how many people are watching. They'll even tell them which commercial made you change the channel! They know how many people DVRed it and how many actually watched the saved episode. It very much matters what you watch and matters more and more with every passing year. In short, you're well within your rights to think that my opinion is "lovely." However, I'm equally within my rights to reply that your doing so without actually reading the original debate nor understanding what we're talking about is, in fact, even shittier. Context matters.
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Feb 28, 2014 19:14
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Do people not like "...Ish?" I think it's a lot of fun. I think it was the first Colin Baker audio I listened to, and since I attend a lot of academic conferences the whole milieu got a bunch of laughs from me.
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Feb 28, 2014 19:23
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jng2058 posted:But Umbra Dubium wasn't criticizing the media, per say, he was criticizing the showrunner. like so: Because there are an infinite number of ways to watch the work without supporting Moffat, even while watching legally and in some miniscule fashion up-ticking a number in a giant spreadsheet for whichever body happens to be tracking the information. Sans engaging in some kind of untenable mass boycott, catching the damned Netflix re-runs or TiVo data is not making functional differences. There are enough terrible people involved in television, video games and almost every medium that you'd almost have to engage in some sort of media blackout not to consume their work. It can be helpful to note when their disgusting personality is seeping into the work itself and when the material is actually quite good, even to the point of being at odds with the creator's expressed beliefs. Archyduke posted:Do people not like "...Ish?" I think it's a lot of fun. I think it was the first Colin Baker audio I listened to, and since I attend a lot of academic conferences the whole milieu got a bunch of laughs from me. I enjoyed it!
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Feb 28, 2014 19:27
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Archyduke posted:Do people not like "...Ish?" I think it's a lot of fun. I think it was the first Colin Baker audio I listened to, and since I attend a lot of academic conferences the whole milieu got a bunch of laughs from me. I remember enjoying ...Ish, but I also remember it as a Peter Davison story. I'm a language nerd but evidently not one with a great memory, so who the hell knows. I definitely wouldn't listen to it with anyone else around, but it was a nice guilty pleasure.
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Feb 28, 2014 19:30
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Archyduke posted:Do people not like "...Ish?" I think it's a lot of fun. I think it was the first Colin Baker audio I listened to, and since I attend a lot of academic conferences the whole milieu got a bunch of laughs from me. My fiancée is an English teacher heavily into Shakespeare and poetry, so I got a lot more out of it than I expected! Is it a perfect story? No, mainly because it’s one of those stories that thinks it’s clever and spends a lot of time trying to convince the reader of how clever it is, in a “wink wink nudge nudge” kind of way. And I didn’t get the sense of urgency that a complete galactic linguistic collapse should have caused. On the other hand, it was nice to see Peri act like a college student, and her “I need a freaking drink” moment where she wanders away from the Doctor in mid-monologue was worth a nice chuckle. Plus, it’s old Sixie at a LANGUAGE convention. Colin Baker must have had the time of life recording this one because he takes the Doctor’s long-windedness and turns it up to 11 in such a perfect way. It’s definitely worth a listen or a re-listen. I got more out of it the second go-round once I had some idea what the hell was going on!
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Feb 28, 2014 19:43
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CobiWann posted:My fiancée is an English teacher heavily into Shakespeare and poetry, so I got a lot more out of it than I expected! ...Ish is great. It's weird but the premise is compelling once you wrap your head around it. It's a shame Colin hasn't had the chance to face off against a... certain word-y baddie and probably never will, but ...Ish aaaallmost makes up for it.
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Feb 28, 2014 21:08
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Hey, y'all. Who wants some LEGO?
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Feb 28, 2014 22:36
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Timby posted:Hey, y'all. i'm iffy on actual lego sets BUT LEGO DOCTOR WHO: THE VIDEO GAME WOULD BE loving INCREDIBLE!
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DoctorWhat posted:i'm iffy on actual lego sets BUT LEGO DOCTOR WHO: THE VIDEO GAME WOULD BE loving INCREDIBLE! That's their collector-submitted line. Basically, Lego-nerds make up and in some cases kit-bash playsets based on, well, anything as long Lego don't have a legal barrier to it, and then users of the site vote on them, the most popular ones getting produced as real products with officially made minifigs and such. A TARDIS that opens up into a console room, plus some Dalek minifigs is pretty much inevitable.
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Gaz-L posted:That's their collector-submitted line. Basically, Lego-nerds make up and in some cases kit-bash playsets based on, well, anything as long Lego don't have a legal barrier to it, and then users of the site vote on them, the most popular ones getting produced as real products with officially made minifigs and such. A TARDIS that opens up into a console room, plus some Dalek minifigs is pretty much inevitable. It's inevitable that Doctor Who sets will now get enough votes to be reviewed by Lego, but as far as we know Lego still doesn't have the rights to produce them. It's definitely a positive step, but for now it only means that Doctor Who sets aren't going to be instantly rejected anymore.
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