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Best Producer/Showrunner?
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Verity Lambert 49 7.04%
John Wiles 1 0.14%
Innes Lloyd 1 0.14%
Peter Bryant 3 0.43%
Derrick Sherwin 3 0.43%
Barry Letts 12 1.72%
Phillip Hinchcliffe 62 8.91%
Graham Williams 3 0.43%
John Nathan-Turner 15 2.16%
Philip Segal 3 0.43%
Russel T Davies 106 15.23%
Steven Moffat 114 16.38%
Son Goku 324 46.55%
Total: 696 votes
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Potsticker
Jan 14, 2006


Archyduke posted:

Do people not like "...Ish?" I think it's a lot of fun. I think it was the first Colin Baker audio I listened to, and since I attend a lot of academic conferences the whole milieu got a bunch of laughs from me.

I liked ...Ish. It's just on the weaker end of Six audios for me, which are all pretty entertaining.

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PantsOptional
Dec 27, 2012

All I wanna do is make you bounce
They had a deal with Character Building.

LividLiquid
Apr 13, 2002

Before finishing the reboot, I didn't realize how much you guys talk about audios. It's like, waaaaaay more than the show. I suppose that's natural since it's not on the air right now.

Potsticker
Jan 14, 2006


LividLiquid posted:

Before finishing the reboot, I didn't realize how much you guys talk about audios. It's like, waaaaaay more than the show. I suppose that's natural since it's not on the air right now.

Paul McGann showing up for the 50th was a pretty good advertisement for the audios. So, I think a bunch of people got into them there, and with more discussion, the more people go check them out.

DoctorWhat
Nov 18, 2011

A little privacy, please?

LividLiquid posted:

Before finishing the reboot, I didn't realize how much you guys talk about audios. It's like, waaaaaay more than the show. I suppose that's natural since it's not on the air right now.

That and, counting only the Monthly Range, I'm pretty sure the raw hourage of Big Finish outstrips the New and Classic Series combined. When you factor in the EDAs, Boxsets, Lost Stories, and the good spinoffs (Jago & Litefoot, Gallifrey) it gets even more dramatic. And don't get us started on the Companion Chronicles!

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

Your mother!

LividLiquid posted:

Before finishing the reboot

It's not a reboot. The show simply picked up the story with a gap in-between, and that gap has been slowly filled in over the years. :)

Edit: On another note, the one issue that's been stopping me from the audios is that I really have a hard time with background stuff. I'm sure there are a bunch of great podcasts, but I can only listen to them when I'm in bed, because I can actually listen to and focus on them. With an audio story, I don't think I could run it in the background while I'm working. Same reason I can't do audiobooks. If I'm listening to something, it needs to be my sole focus.

Are the audios just a lost cause for me?

Timby fucked around with this message at 23:42 on Feb 28, 2014

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

Timby posted:

It's not a reboot. The show simply picked up the story with a gap in-between, and that gap has been slowly filled in over the years. :)

Edit: On another note, the one issue that's been stopping me from the audios is that I really have a hard time with background stuff. I'm sure there are a bunch of great podcasts, but I can only listen to them when I'm in bed, because I can actually listen to and focus on them. With an audio story, I don't think I could run it in the background while I'm working. Same reason I can't do audiobooks. If I'm listening to something, it needs to be my sole focus.

Are the audios just a lost cause for me?

You might need to hear them in bed, I guess. I can listen to them in the background (I'm listening to one as I post). Every now and then I get distracted, but it's easy to backtrack and/or use the Doctor Who reference guide to catch up.

thexerox123
Aug 17, 2007

Timby posted:

It's not a reboot. The show simply picked up the story with a gap in-between, and that gap has been slowly filled in over the years. :)

It definitely is a reboot... are you mixing that term up with remake, maybe? Or thinking that reboots can't have any connection to what came before?

It's a reboot in that it restarted the series and used a completely different format than what came before.

Forktoss
Feb 13, 2012

I'm OK, you're so-so

DoctorWhat posted:

That and, counting only the Monthly Range, I'm pretty sure the raw hourage of Big Finish outstrips the New and Classic Series combined. When you factor in the EDAs, Boxsets, Lost Stories, and the good spinoffs (Jago & Litefoot, Gallifrey) it gets even more dramatic. And don't get us started on the Companion Chronicles!

By the 60th anniversary, Tom Baker will have done more episodes of the Fourth Doctor Adventures on audio than he ever did on TV. He will do this, you mark my words.

Trin Tragula
Apr 22, 2005

thexerox123 posted:

Or thinking that reboots can't have any connection to what came before?

Yeah, to me a "reboot" is something like Ronald D. Moore's Battlestar Galactica or the new Star Trek movies*; it's the same basic concept, but it doesn't retain continuity with what came before it. NewWho goes out of its way to establish that everything that happened before has still happened. It'd be a reboot if RTD had, say, cast David Bradley as the Doctor, a newly escaped exile from Gallifrey, and Billie Piper as his granddaughter Rose.

Put another way: this is a remake, this is a reboot, this is neither.

*Offer valid only when referring to live action.

Trin Tragula fucked around with this message at 00:12 on Mar 1, 2014

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009
Yeah, a remake is literally the same story again. Reboot is same concept, starting over from the beginning (same as when you reboot or 're-start' :haw: a computer!). Who is neither of those. Arguably neither is the new Star Trek, as they went out of their way to make it an alternate reality, but meh, splitting hairs.


LividLiquid posted:

Before finishing the reboot, I didn't realize how much you guys talk about audios. It's like, waaaaaay more than the show. I suppose that's natural since it's not on the air right now.

That, and J-Ru and CobiWann's reviews are good conversation starters. As well as the new series of Dark Eyes having just come out, which is as close to new episodes as makes no difference.

On a different note, though. I bought Enemy of the World on Xbox Video and episode 5 cuts off in the middle of a scene! <:mad:>

LividLiquid
Apr 13, 2002

Timby posted:

It's not a reboot.
Relaunch. I meant relaunch. Just got the wires crossed. I understand the distinction and think it's an important one to make.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Timby posted:

It's not a reboot. The show simply picked up the story with a gap in-between, and that gap has been slowly filled in over the years. :)

Edit: On another note, the one issue that's been stopping me from the audios is that I really have a hard time with background stuff. I'm sure there are a bunch of great podcasts, but I can only listen to them when I'm in bed, because I can actually listen to and focus on them. With an audio story, I don't think I could run it in the background while I'm working. Same reason I can't do audiobooks. If I'm listening to something, it needs to be my sole focus.

Are the audios just a lost cause for me?

I can't listen to audios if I'm working, but they are a godsend for bike rides, walks, or going to the gym, which are three things I try to do as much as possible.

thexerox123
Aug 17, 2007


Hmm, fair enough! Relaunch definitely is more apt.

Also, heck yes, ReBoot was the best show.

Slimy Hog
Apr 22, 2008

So I just started listening to Doctor Who and the Pirates and the story is really living up to the corny name and I am absolutely loving it!

Spindle
Feb 12, 2008

Baby, we're rich

Timby posted:

Are the audios just a lost cause for me?

I have the same problem with audio versions of books, but (from the couple I've heard) the Doctor Who audios run more like radio plays. It may make a difference.
In addition to the other suggestions, audio stuff is great for anything that requires a bunch of manual work without a lot of active problem solving. Chores and cleaning, DIY, lawn/garden. Hobbies with big stretches of repetition like woodwork, knitting, videogame grinding, etc.

CobiWann
Oct 21, 2009

Have fun!

Spindle posted:

I have the same problem with audio versions of books, but (from the couple I've heard) the Doctor Who audios run more like radio plays. It may make a difference.
In addition to the other suggestions, audio stuff is great for anything that requires a bunch of manual work without a lot of active problem solving. Chores and cleaning, DIY, lawn/garden. Hobbies with big stretches of repetition like woodwork, knitting, videogame grinding, etc.

For me, it's on my commute and while I'm on the treadmill.

There are a few free plays on Soundcloud if you want to try them out...

https://soundcloud.com/search?q=doctor%20who%20big%20finish

Silhouette
Nov 16, 2002

SONIC BOOM!!!

Trin Tragula posted:

Yeah, to me a "reboot" is something like Ronald D. Moore's Battlestar Galactica or the new Star Trek movies*; it's the same basic concept, but it doesn't retain continuity with what came before it. NewWho goes out of its way to establish that everything that happened before has still happened. It'd be a reboot if RTD had, say, cast David Bradley as the Doctor, a newly escaped exile from Gallifrey, and Billie Piper as his granddaughter Rose.

Put another way: this is a remake, this is a reboot, this is neither.

*Offer valid only when referring to live action.

Then there are things like the new Evil Dead, which is a remake, reboot, relaunch AND sequel all in one :haw:

Box of Bunnies
Apr 3, 2012

by Pragmatica

Timby posted:

Edit: On another note, the one issue that's been stopping me from the audios is that I really have a hard time with background stuff. I'm sure there are a bunch of great podcasts, but I can only listen to them when I'm in bed, because I can actually listen to and focus on them. With an audio story, I don't think I could run it in the background while I'm working. Same reason I can't do audiobooks. If I'm listening to something, it needs to be my sole focus.

Are the audios just a lost cause for me?

I spend time specifically for them only. Make a cup of tea, throw some headphones on, lay back and enjoy. Or when I go to bed, like you said. I guess they'd work for walks or biking too but much more extra activity than that and I don't really focus on the story any more and miss bits.

The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."

Box of Bunnies posted:

I spend time specifically for them only. Make a cup of tea, throw some headphones on, lay back and enjoy. Or when I go to bed, like you said. I guess they'd work for walks or biking too but much more extra activity than that and I don't really focus on the story any more and miss bits.

They're perfect for walks or long car drives. I can attest. I listened to virtually the whole of S1 of the 8th Doctor ones (starting with Blood of the Daleks) as I drove across Washington state.

Detective No. 27
Jun 7, 2006

The_Doctor posted:

They're perfect for walks or long car drives. I can attest. I listened to virtually the whole of S1 of the 8th Doctor ones (starting with Blood of the Daleks) as I drove across Washington state.

Yeah. I frequently drive across Arizona listening to them. Big Finish is good for keeping me engaged during long night drives.

And Star Trek 09 and the latest Mortal Kombat are both a reboot, remake, prequel, and sequel all at the same time.

Neddy Seagoon
Oct 12, 2012

"Hi Everybody!"

This is from a couple of pages back, but I actually just got to watch The Face of Evil for the first time. It was certainly a hell of thing to see in motion :magical:.

Gordon Shumway
Jan 21, 2008


Don't forget that "reimagining" is a thing now too :eng101:

Looke
Aug 2, 2013

Just watched Utopia on tv. Completely forgot what an excellent episode it is. Probably my favourite of the Tennant era.

As soon as he pulled the fob watch out, I remember being like "oh hell no".

The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."

Looke posted:

Just watched Utopia on tv. Completely forgot what an excellent episode it is. Probably my favourite of the Tennant era.

As soon as he pulled the fob watch out, I remember being like "oh hell no".

The final ten minutes of Utopia, from the moment he pulls out the pocket watch, is one of the best bits of revival Who for me. The Doctor screaming at Martha "What did he say?!" as he realises exactly what's about to happen.

If you've seen Time Crash, you can read Ten's :stare: face as him remembering being Five and meeting future-Ten who told him about having just met the Master and realising that that time is now...

How Wonderful!
Jul 18, 2006


I only have excellent ideas

CobiWann posted:

My fiancée is an English teacher heavily into Shakespeare and poetry, so I got a lot more out of it than I expected!

Is it a perfect story? No, mainly because it’s one of those stories that thinks it’s clever and spends a lot of time trying to convince the reader of how clever it is, in a “wink wink nudge nudge” kind of way. And I didn’t get the sense of urgency that a complete galactic linguistic collapse should have caused.

On the other hand, it was nice to see Peri act like a college student, and her “I need a freaking drink” moment where she wanders away from the Doctor in mid-monologue was worth a nice chuckle. Plus, it’s old Sixie at a LANGUAGE convention. Colin Baker must have had the time of life recording this one because he takes the Doctor’s long-windedness and turns it up to 11 in such a perfect way. It’s definitely worth a listen or a re-listen. I got more out of it the second go-round once I had some idea what the hell was going on!

That's actually a lot of what I like about it, too, come to think of it. A lot of the audios, even a lot of the good ones, feel like they could be done with any doctor and any companion, but "...Ish" is very specifically geared towards C. Baker and Peri. With Baker this isn't that hard to do-- he's wordy, he's kind of a wind-bag, but those are flexible traits that serve him just as well here as they do in, like, "The One Doctor" or even something like "The Marian Conspiracy." But it's nice to be reminded that Peri is a college student, and that you can throw her into stories about academia in a way that wouldn't work so well with Mel (it would be cool to see Evelyn in a similar milieu, but she wouldn't have the same undergraduate exasperation with the whole scenario).

Chairman Mao
Apr 24, 2004

The Chinese Communist Party is the core of leadership of the whole Chinese people. Without this core, the cause of socialism cannot be victorious.
Big Finish actually uses the background info that the show proper usually just dropped in there and never touched on again to flesh out their characters. It's great, you get things like Peri being a botany student coming into play (though I guess Timelash actually brought it up, so maybe Timelash wasn't th-- no never mind), things like Turlough meeting up with members of his own race (or referencing that he's an alien outside of Mawdryn Undead and Planet of Fire like, at all) even Nyssa gets a bit of a personality... eventually.

Forktoss
Feb 13, 2012

I'm OK, you're so-so

Neddy Seagoon posted:

This is from a couple of pages back, but I actually just got to watch The Face of Evil for the first time. It was certainly a hell of thing to see in motion :magical:.

The Face of Evil is the Star Trekiest episode of Who ever. Stick a Captain's log in the beginning explaining they're looking for a missing Starfleet officer who turns out to be the big stone face thing and you've pretty much got a straight-up episode of TOS.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

HOLD ON GUYS I'M POSTING ABOUT INTERNET ROBOTS

Chairman Mao posted:

Big Finish actually uses the background info that the show proper usually just dropped in there and never touched on again to flesh out their characters. It's great, you get things like Peri being a botany student coming into play (though I guess Timelash actually brought it up, so maybe Timelash wasn't th-- no never mind), things like Turlough meeting up with members of his own race (or referencing that he's an alien outside of Mawdryn Undead and Planet of Fire like, at all) even Nyssa gets a bit of a personality... eventually.

Even in the largely terrible Juggernauts, they remember that Mel was supposed to be a computer programmer.

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009

Fil5000 posted:

Even in the largely terrible Juggernauts, they remember that Mel was supposed to be a computer programmer.

On the other hand, she's basically a TV h4xx0r, in that being able to write BASIC in 1984 apparently qualifies you to work on AI for robots in the far future.

Emerson Cod
Apr 14, 2004

by Pragmatica
FORTRAN and its actually mentioned and is a pretty big plot point. The audios are actually pretty consistent with her level of skill and ability to pick up new languages/interfaces.

Cleretic
Feb 3, 2010


Ignore my posts!
I'm aggressively wrong about everything!

Looke posted:

Just watched Utopia on tv. Completely forgot what an excellent episode it is. Probably my favourite of the Tennant era.

As soon as he pulled the fob watch out, I remember being like "oh hell no".

Utopia would probably flow better if they didn't have Derek Jacobi announcing that he's the Master, so it dawns on us in the same way and at around the same time as it does the Doctor.

In the commentary (I should pick up way more Who DVD boxsets, because these guys are great with commentaries) they specifically said that while that would have probably worked better, then they wouldn't have had Derek Jacobi saying he was the Master.

Gordon Shumway
Jan 21, 2008

Looke posted:

Just watched Utopia on tv. Completely forgot what an excellent episode it is. Probably my favourite of the Tennant era.

As soon as he pulled the fob watch out, I remember being like "oh hell no".

I had this reaction, only it was a couple minutes later, when he was handling the fob watch and I heard Anthony Ainley's laugh.

CobiWann
Oct 21, 2009

Have fun!

Potsticker
Jan 14, 2006



:negative:

Sorry, Doctor. I can only spend monies on audios that I can listen to at work, or on DVDs that I don't have time to watch.

The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."

I'm trying! I've just added Enemy of the World, The Dæmons and Masque of Mandragora to this behemoth:



There are only so many hours in the day though!

EDIT: gently caress, just bought Planet of the Giants, the Peladon Tales set, and The Black Guadian Trilogy for cheaps from my local CEX. I have officially run out of room. :saddowns:

The_Doctor fucked around with this message at 15:41 on Mar 2, 2014

PurpleJesus
Feb 27, 2008

We all change. When you think about it, we're all different people all through our lives, and that's okay, that's good, you gotta keep moving.

I actually just started. Between Hulu Plus, Netflix and Amazon Prime, I have a pretty good amount to work on. That should keep me busy until August.

DoctorWhat
Nov 18, 2011

A little privacy, please?

The_Doctor posted:

I'm trying! I've just added Enemy of the World, The Dæmons and Masque of Mandragora to this behemoth:



There are only so many hours in the day though!

EDIT: gently caress, just bought Planet of the Giants, the Peladon Tales set, and The Black Guadian Trilogy for cheaps from my local CEX. I have officially run out of room. :saddowns:

I still don't see Vengeance on Varos...

Do I have to make a trans-continental flight, come over, and lock all your doors? Because I will.

The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."

DoctorWhat posted:

I still don't see Vengeance on Varos...

Do I have to make a trans-continental flight, come over, and lock all your doors? Because I will.

More C.Bakes is definitely on the wish list. Especially Vengeance and Trial. :ohdear:

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Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.

Potsticker posted:

:negative:

Sorry, Doctor. I can only spend monies on audios that I can listen to at work, or on DVDs that I don't have time to watch.

Have you tried reversing the polarity of your cash flow? :smug:

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