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Clochette
Aug 12, 2013

ZergFluid posted:

Feminists (especially the ant-sex kind) and social conservatives want prostitution to remain prohibited, but they have become flustered over the past decades by the clear fact that it's absurd for the government to prohibit consenting adults from trading sex for money and vice versa, due to the sexual revolution changing mores and so on.

So these feminists and social conservatives have resorted to creating a hysteria about "trafficking" that is not merited given the lack of meaningful statistics about the practice. These feminists and social conservatives work tirelessly and have significantly succeeded in getting "sex/human trafficking" to mean "prostitution" in public discourse, but the reason they do this is obviously a concession to the argument that government has no place prohibiting sex work.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ronald-weitzer/human-trafficking-myths_b_935366.html

Trafficking isn't a particularly common problem for people in the United States but it does happen a lot, especially in poor countries.

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tbp
Mar 1, 2008

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systran posted:

This dude reminds me of my libertarian roommate that would argue really stupid poo poo, but you couldn't argue with him using common sense; you had to read through his 100-page articles he got form drudge report. If you didn't address every point in the articles he cited, you weren't allowed to argue with him, then once you gave up because he was a loving idiot, he thought he won.

Libertarians :rolleyes:

Johnny Joestar
Oct 21, 2010

Don't shoot him?

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ZergFluid posted:

"i think you're wrong"

"you're stupid"

"blah blah spluttering."

etc.

at the end of the day you're the dipshit going on about sex numbers in a virgin goon megathread, so tell us we're 'sputtering' all you want when we point out you might be touched in the head

Hustle Hound
Oct 21, 2012

all is known

ZergFluid posted:

"i think you're wrong"

"you're stupid"

"blah blah spluttering."

etc.

Nobody wants to argue with you legitimately because you're "spluttering" the same stupid rear end red pill ladder theory bullshit that's been dismissed on these forums time and time again.

James Totes
Feb 17, 2011
zergfluid your grasp on economic theory is as strong as your grasp on women

ZergFluid
Feb 20, 2014

by XyloJW

Spiffo posted:

Everyone has already addressed your arguments when they pointed out that women don't work that way (source: women), and you're just reaching to blame society for your problems (source: all your dumb and crazy posts)

Women are resistant to the arguments I present because they're fundamentally perturbed by and have a hard time accepting certain accepts of the "sexual economics" models -- i.e, women being hotter when they're younger etc etc. I get that you people think my posts are dumb and crazy but you haven't demonstrated them to be that way.

James Totes
Feb 17, 2011
& women don tlet you touch them

angel opportunity
Sep 7, 2004

Total Eclipse of the Heart
ZergFluid are you a virgin?

tbp
Mar 1, 2008

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James Totes posted:

& women don tlet you touch them

The chill economics/virgin double burn we're living in the time of legends boys

tbp
Mar 1, 2008

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systran posted:

ZergFluid are you a virgin?

He's probably a reddittor :rolleyes:

e Sorry double post. My apologies and mistakes - I am repentant to have done this and will never again make a similarly egregious and heinous error.

Nessa
Dec 15, 2008

ZergFluid posted:

spluttering

:gizz:

I am a woman and nothing you say makes any sense.

It's because you don't know what you're talking about.

lidnsya
Nov 14, 2007
<img src="https://fi.somethingawful.com/customtitles/title-lidnsya.jpg"><br>All aboard the sleepy train!
You aren't new here. You've posted this bullshit many times and no matter how much you've been refuted, you don't listen.

It's fun to laugh and cringe at but there is no point engaging this person. They are way too far gone. It would take a team of psychiatrists and therapists to begin to undo the brainwashing this guy has been subjected to by MRA communities.

I say again to anyone feeling like they'll never have sex, please please do not start down this path. There is only misery and consuming hatred of women and society waiting for you. You are better than that.

ZergFluid
Feb 20, 2014

by XyloJW

Agent Kool-Aid posted:

at the end of the day you're the dipshit

Baseless name-calling.

quote:

going on about sex numbers in a virgin goon megathread

Sex-rank, i.e the 1 to 10 scale where the prettiest people are 10s (super-models) and the ugliest ones are 1s. It's not so mysterious.

quote:

so tell us we're 'sputtering' all you want when we point out you might be touched in the head

I might be touched in the head. On the other hand, you people could be spluttering and frothing at the mouth with insults because you can't meaningfully refute what I've written in this thread.

Johnny Joestar
Oct 21, 2010

Don't shoot him?

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i think life in general is going to prove your dumb poo poo to be crazy and stupid every time you angrily beat off to porn or hire a prostitute for $50 while seething about how the disadvantaged 50% of the population is somehow dangling sex above your head and forcing you to pay for your god-given right to sex

Spiffo
Nov 24, 2005

ZergFluid posted:

Women are resistant to the arguments I present because they're fundamentally perturbed by and have a hard time accepting certain accepts of the "sexual economics" models -- i.e, women being hotter when they're younger etc etc. I get that you people think my posts are dumb and crazy but you haven't demonstrated them to be that way.

Yes they have been demonstrated to be dumb and crazy but you're rejecting arguments out-of-hand (arguments about something you know nothing about : romantic relationships (because you haven't had any))

ZergFluid
Feb 20, 2014

by XyloJW

Spiffo posted:

Yes they have been demonstrated to be dumb and crazy but you're rejecting arguments out-of-hand (arguments about something you know nothing about : romantic relationships (because you haven't had any))

It's funny because I don't remember any arguments but just frothing at the mouth from posters aghast that someone in this thread blamed something other than these virginal men themselves for their plight.

tbp
Mar 1, 2008

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MRAs, Republicans and Reddittors have irreparably ruined the psyche of too many males.

Nessa
Dec 15, 2008

ZergFluid posted:

Sex-rank, i.e the 1 to 10 scale where the prettiest people are 10s (super-models) and the ugliest ones are 1s. It's not so mysterious.

There is far more to attractiveness than just a number based on "beauty", and there is far more that goes into picking a date than just attractiveness.

ZergFluid
Feb 20, 2014

by XyloJW

Agent Kool-Aid posted:

i think life in general is going to prove your dumb poo poo to be crazy and stupid every time you angrily beat off to porn or hire a prostitute for $50 while seething about how the disadvantaged 50% of the population is somehow dangling sex above your head and forcing you to pay for your god-given right to sex

What? I'm actually okay with the model we legalize prostitution. Men are not entitled to sex but government should sure as hell not legally prevent them from buying it.

HazCat
May 4, 2009

ZergFluid posted:

Women are resistant to the arguments I present because they're fundamentally perturbed by and have a hard time accepting certain accepts of the "sexual economics" models -- i.e, women being hotter when they're younger etc etc. I get that you people think my posts are dumb and crazy but you haven't demonstrated them to be that way.

I am a woman. I accept that women are more attractive when they are younger (because I also believe men are - a guy who is hot at 30 was hotter at 18, barring things like not understanding fashion).

Your theories about the 'sexual marketplace' are stupid because they hinge on Just So Stories instead of science, and they are offensive because a key point you must accept to accept the theories as a whole is that women are not 'really human' the way men are.

You think you know more than other people, but in reality you lack a fundamental understanding of how healthy human beings socialise. Men like you are outside of the normal practices of dating and sex, and your perceptions of how they work are inherently flawed (and this applies regardless of how many women you have slept with or dated).

If you think I am 'spluttering' or 'overly-emotional', you are mistaken (and probably being influenced by sexist stereotypes, since it's plainly obvious you are a sexist person).

fabergay egg
Mar 1, 2012

it's not a rhetorical question, for politely saying 'you are an idiot, you don't know what you are talking about'


If you would like to purchase the services of a prostitute, let me assure you, this is a thing you can do very easily.

tbp
Mar 1, 2008

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Aren't we all a little sexist haha

EN Bullshit
Apr 5, 2012

tbp posted:

Aren't we all a little sexist haha

Maybe the truth is somewhere in the middle.

Johnny Joestar
Oct 21, 2010

Don't shoot him?

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let me rephrase this, you're not the first poster to ever have these ideas or similar ones on this forum or on other areas of the internet. we're not 'frothing at the mouth' or whatever dumb poo poo you want to come up with when we tell you that you're legit stupid as hell and a broken human being. we don't need to refute what you say because:

a) you're not going to listen to any of it anyways even if we did take our own time to dig it up

b) what you're 'sputtering' about and trying to defend constantly is the mental equivalent of you taking a steamy dump on the floor and rolling in it while yelling at everyone for letting you roll in it

c) you and others like you are going to end up in jail or some poo poo for beating a hooker or whatever and it doesn't actually matter what we say or do, because you're eventually going to stop posting in this thread and go on your merry little way as a timebomb of legit mental issues

d) despite your insistence that we're blaming everything on 'virgin men' the thread has more or less offered a fair bit of advice beyond any basic 'lol virgins' jokes that have been thrown here or there, and said advice varies wildly from person to person and can actually be that the problems do stem from the virgin goon in question which happens to be the case occasionally

e) the discussion of whether or not prostitution needs to be legal has no real place in all of this, and if the discussion wants to come up somewhere else people should probably consider how the business can become safer for the workers involved instead of thinking all about the poor, abused men who haven't been able to get their dick wet because they don't know how the gently caress to find a prostitute even despite local laws

f) you are seriously all borked up in the head and i personally recommend finding as many people as possible to tell about your sex ladder to gauge their reactions

Hustle Hound
Oct 21, 2012

all is known

ZergFluid posted:

It's funny because I don't remember any arguments but just frothing at the mouth from posters aghast that someone in this thread blamed something other than these virginal men themselves for their plight.

Fine, I'll engage you for a little bit.

Because when you're at a stage that you're posting on an E/N forum that you paid to post in to discuss the plights of being a virgin, you are going to have to conform to the nuances of society, which is basically what fixing oneself is for the purposes of this stuff. Learning about ladder theory from angry redditors or whatever the gently caress is more spergy and dumb and has less of a chance of working than trying to learn the people around you through (attempts at) normal social interaction. Then again, people's particular situations work on a case by case basis because we as human beings are all unique, something that never seems to be brought up in your "ONE WEIRD TRICK" crap.

Number of words: 125

Djeser
Mar 22, 2013


it's crow time again

ZergFluid posted:

It's funny because I don't remember any arguments but just frothing at the mouth from posters aghast that someone in this thread blamed something other than these virginal men themselves for their plight.

There are external factors to someone's life that can affect whether they've had sex or not. Not every virgin is a virgin because of something he's done.

However, the argument that virgins are like that because alpha males are snatching up all the women who would otherwise be willing to go for men below a 4.5 on the Sex Index is retarded. Women are not punch cards. When they have sex with someone, it doesn't "use them up". Not every person who has sex is an alpha male, which would pretty obviously poke a hole in the idea that alpha males are ruining the sexual market. Plus, there's this weird conflation in the idea of a "sexual marketplace" between one night stands and longterm relationships, which are very, very different.

Sometimes, people are virgins because they're not fun people to be around.

No one is owed sex.

No one is obligated to provide sex to anyone.

Sticking your dick in a vagoo is not a basic human right.

ZergFluid
Feb 20, 2014

by XyloJW

HazCat posted:

I am a woman. I accept that women are more attractive when they are younger (because I also believe men are - a guy who is hot at 30 was hotter at 18, barring things like not understanding fashion).

Your theories about the 'sexual marketplace' are stupid because they hinge on Just So Stories instead of science, and they are offensive because a key point you must accept to accept the theories as a whole is that women are not 'really human' the way men are.

Dismissing the field of evolutionary psychology entirely as a "just so story" is not very substantive.

The academic work of someone like David Buss is too complex and well thought out to be dismissed merely as "just so stories."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Buss

I realize that many feminists have an ideological problem with evo psych but whether or not they find it "offensive" is irrelevant. This is appropriate:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzdpxKqEUAw

tbp
Mar 1, 2008

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Djeser posted:

There are external factors to someone's life that can affect whether they've had sex or not. Not every virgin is a virgin because of something he's done.

However, the argument that virgins are like that because alpha males are snatching up all the women who would otherwise be willing to go for men below a 4.5 on the Sex Index is retarded. Women are not punch cards. When they have sex with someone, it doesn't "use them up". Not every person who has sex is an alpha male, which would pretty obviously poke a hole in the idea that alpha males are ruining the sexual market. Plus, there's this weird conflation in the idea of a "sexual marketplace" between one night stands and longterm relationships, which are very, very different.

Sometimes, people are virgins because they're not fun people to be around.

No one is owed sex.

No one is obligated to provide sex to anyone.

Sticking your dick in a vagoo is not a basic human right.

Amen..... too many males think that they're owed pussy lol and get to gently caress the woman because theyre male (typically white..) it's a common thing you find in circles like Reddittors, Libertarians, PUAs, MRAs, you know the type they think that they're allowed to be owed sex and sticking their dick in the vagoo is truly not a right.

Hustle Hound
Oct 21, 2012

all is known
The development of the computer was the worst thing to happen to human interaction.

Edit: Lol.

Hustle Hound fucked around with this message at 04:24 on Mar 3, 2014

Johnny Joestar
Oct 21, 2010

Don't shoot him?

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this poo poo just jumped multiple sharks and fell right into a berry patch full of :biotruths:

Djeser
Mar 22, 2013


it's crow time again

while I'm at it let me get all these out of the way









Twink Toilet
May 15, 2004
:D

ZergFluid posted:

Dismissing the field of evolutionary psychology entirely as a "just so story" is not very substantive.

The academic work of someone like David Buss is too complex and well thought out to be dismissed merely as "just so stories."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Buss

I realize that many feminists have an ideological problem with evo psych but whether or not they find it "offensive" is irrelevant. This is appropriate:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzdpxKqEUAw

here's my hypothesis: post a pic of yourself

suztan
Jul 4, 2012

I keep going back and forth on my opinion of whether this thread needs to be goldmined or loving gassed into space.

All I know is that ZergFluid's penis needs to be shut into a sandwich press or something. Like a toastie.

lidnsya
Nov 14, 2007
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K that last video changed my mind, please have sex with me zerg. I'm at least a 6 but I'm willing to let myself go for a bit to a 3 or so for our better compatibility. For the good of society.

tbp
Mar 1, 2008

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Aren't we all a little sexist haha

e Sorry repost

Hustle Hound
Oct 21, 2012

all is known
Aren't we all a little sexist haha

e:f;b

lidnsya
Nov 14, 2007
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I want to be your toastiemaker. Want to press your limp bottom male dick between my hot plates until your putrid dick cheese oozes out. Please. For society.

my bony fealty
Oct 1, 2008

trip report: touched a boob(s). had sex. girl is probably a few (1 - 3) Sexual Ranks higher than me, but i was able to cover my low sex MMR by acting like a well-adjusted human being and being genuinely interested in her. biotruths.

ZergFluid
Feb 20, 2014

by XyloJW

Ootrek posted:

Fine, I'll engage you for a little bit.

Because when you're at a stage that you're posting on an E/N forum that you paid to post in to discuss the plights of being a virgin, you are going to have to conform to the nuances of society, which is basically what fixing oneself is for the purposes of this stuff. Learning about ladder theory from angry redditors or whatever the gently caress is more spergy and dumb and has less of a chance of working than trying to learn the people around you through (attempts at) normal social interaction. Then again, people's particular situations work on a case by case basis because we as human beings are all unique, something that never seems to be brought up in your "ONE WEIRD TRICK" crap.

Number of words: 125

I'm posting in this thread to offer a perspective on the plight of virginal men that's more nuanced than the cackling from those eager to entirely blame the men themselves for failing this way. Basically what you people are doing is PLEADING not to even consider that perspective.


Djeser posted:

However, the argument that virgins are like that because alpha males are snatching up all the women who would otherwise be willing to go for men below a 4.5 on the Sex Index is retarded. Women are not punch cards. When they have sex with someone, it doesn't "use them up". Not every person who has sex is an alpha male, which would pretty obviously poke a hole in the idea that alpha males are ruining the sexual market. Plus, there's this weird conflation in the idea of a "sexual marketplace" between one night stands and longterm relationships, which are very, very different.

Bold part: The argument is that women are able to punch above their weight, so to speak, in terms of sex rank when they're in their 20s as a consequence of the men of a wide age range (20 to, say, 40, heck even older) desiring and competing for younger women. This means that the men as similarly aged as those women have a fundamentally harder time competing for those women. Almost by design some men will lose out, because top men are allowed to engage in soft polymory and can, for instance, stay with woman for years and years and then start and dating a younger women, in effect consuming the best years from multiple women. In short, this is why it's men mostly men who have shared their stories in this thread.

The non-bolded part: "Not every person who has sex is an alpha male." This is the sort of non-sequitur that keeps popping up in this thread. What the hell are you refuting? When have I said anything to indicate I believed only alpha males have sex? WTF?

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Nessa
Dec 15, 2008

Hahahaha.... The 20's are a woman's best years....

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