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ZergFluid posted:There is no equivalence between a woman who has become infertile with age and an old man who still produces sperm and can still shoot it, however less virile he might be compared to his younger self. A grandpa can still easily impregnate a 20 year old woman. A 20 year old man cannot impregnate a 60 year old woman no matter how hard he tried. The value of a person is not in whether they can procreate.
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Mar 3, 2014 06:01
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Can we just goldmine or close this thread now so we don't have to read anymore sexual marketplace bullshit? This thread is getting very boring.
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Mar 3, 2014 06:02
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ZergFluid posted:sexually libertarian marketplace This is the funniest thing I've read in E/N.
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Mar 3, 2014 06:02
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amarantinesky posted:Can we just goldmine or close this thread now so we don't have to read anymore sexual marketplace bullshit? This thread is getting very boring. I don't know what you're talking about, this thread is a great resource. It's helping me get closer to my title of Sexual Economist. EDIT: Status update: Cougar (CGR) trading favourably against the Euro.
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Mar 3, 2014 06:06
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HopperUK posted:The value of a person is not in whether they can procreate. He said, apropos of nothing.
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Mar 3, 2014 06:08
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it's like i'm getting a look into the wiring of a hosed up calculator
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Mar 3, 2014 06:11
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Wait, so what about 18-29 year old women who are infertile?
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Mar 3, 2014 06:16
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Do other fields of research have to deal with smarmy wannabe knowitalls who insist they're right and you're wrong despite your years of experience in the field and his lack of any at all?
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Mar 3, 2014 06:17
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FoolyCharged posted:As one of those virginal men, gently caress off. This. I don't even get his argument-- there's some sexual conspiracy, so give up trying to have sex and just lobby the government to legalize prostitution? Even if his crazy theories were true, it doesn't negate the fact that self improvement is the only way you're going to learn to have healthy relationships and (eventually) healthy sexual interactions.
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Mar 3, 2014 06:18
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ZergFluid posted:sexually libertarian marketplace  This thread has gotten funnier today, not sure why.
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Mar 3, 2014 06:18
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ZergFluid posted:Women who have a hard time attracting partners are most likely women who are physically disfigured or mentally unstable in a substantial way This is the exact same thing for men. quote:There is no equivalence between a woman who has become infertile with age and an old man who still produces sperm and can still shoot it, however less virile he might be compared to his younger self. A grandpa can still easily impregnate a 20 year old woman. A 20 year old man cannot impregnate a 60 year old woman no matter how hard he tried. The thing is, this biotruth crap is full of poo poo since in reality many people don't want to reproduce. And even if women did just want that, they would not be going for someone who was less virile and more likely to die.
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Mar 3, 2014 06:18
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No, no. I think ZergFluid might be on to something here. I think women actually don't want to sleep with unattractive socially retarded men with lovely personalities. They may infact sleep with a man who is reasonably older than themselves who isn't any of those things. I'm willing to bet though, contrary to what he seems to be implying, women also may sleep with men who are reasonably younger than themselves who are none of those things either. That makes the 'sexual marketplace' even harder for him to compete in. I think what he seems to be saying is "If only women didn't have the option to sleep with people they really wanted to but were somehow forced through a lack of potential partners to consider me I might not be a virgin.". I don't think this is an unfair conclusion from his perspective.
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Mar 3, 2014 06:19
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lidnsya posted:This is the exact same thing for men. It is most certainly is not, since female sexuality is worth more than male sexuality and men have a stronger sex drive. This in effect means that the women who lose out in mating will be fundamentally more sub-optimal than the males who lose out. quote:The thing is, this biotruth crap is full of poo poo since in reality many people don't want to reproduce. And even if women did just want that, they would not be going for someone who was less virile and more likely to die. Many people might not want to reproduce but the mechanics of reproduction are not left to our rational thought processes only but also are comprised of our basic sexual desires. You might not be interested in reproduction but reproduction is interested in you...
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Mar 3, 2014 06:28
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Mar 3, 2014 06:31
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I don't even think killing off all of the top men would work because the top women would rather be celibate or maybe even just start having sex with other top women and put more research into developing artificial sperm. I think the government is pretty much going to have to round up the top women and force them to have sex with bottom men for this to be a fair society.
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Mar 3, 2014 06:33
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Here's just one problem with this whole deal. It's all predicated on the idea that in the '50s, everyone paired off with someone else the same age range and the same level of attractiveness, and everything bad is due to the shift since then. The obvious problem is that the same thing was happening in the '50s that's happening now. You really think Don Draper was limited to Betty or his hand? That older execs weren't going after younger secretaries then?
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Mar 3, 2014 06:36
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Jimbo Jaggins posted:No, no. I think ZergFluid might be on to something here. I think women actually don't want to sleep with unattractive socially retarded men with lovely personalities. They may infact sleep with a man who is reasonably older than themselves who isn't any of those things. Hmm, the virginal men who have posted in this thread are unattractive social retards with lovely personalities? Good to know. Thanks for pouring your heart out guys!!!! quote:I'm willing to bet though, contrary to what he seems to be implying, women also may sleep with men who are reasonably younger than themselves who are none of those things either. That makes the 'sexual marketplace' even harder for him to compete in. I think what he seems to be saying is "If only women didn't have the option to sleep with people they really wanted to but were somehow forced through a lack of potential partners to consider me I might not be a virgin.". I don't think this is an unfair conclusion from his perspective. That was the arrangement before the sexual revolution -- women were encouraged to marry early, which in effect meant they settled early in life for men of their equivalent sex rank, thereby leading everyone to find their place early on in life with not many people left out in the cold. Keep in mind that I fundamentally think it is in the natural state of mankind for a large chunk of the male population to not mate. As mentioned earlier, something like 80% of the women who ever lived managed to reproduce while only 40% of the men have. However, I believe civilization owes a lot to the fair distribution of the resource of female sexuality. Indeed, heterosexual monogamous marriage might have lasted as long as it did because it gave an incentive to the males of their societies (who would otherwise have lost to chiefs and noblemen and such having harems) an incentive to work for their societies. Traditional heterosexual marriage is sexual Marxism.
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Mar 3, 2014 06:39
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ZergFluid posted:It is most certainly is not, since female sexuality is worth more than male sexuality and men have a stronger sex drive. quote:You might not be interested in reproduction but reproduction is interested in you... And that's why humans have developed many many ways of sterilizing themselves and terminating pregnancy.
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Mar 3, 2014 06:42
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it's a Good Thing we have zergfluid here to speak on the behalf of all virgoons and represent them in this thread now. he is the lorax, he speaks for the 3's
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Mar 3, 2014 06:43
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Yeah I'm pretty much done with this thread, it was fun while it lasted
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Mar 3, 2014 06:44
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lidnsya posted:There is no inherent worth to sex or existence of a sex marketplace. Men having stronger sex drive is a myth. Truth. There are also a lot of women who don't reach their sexual peak until their 30's, who according to this guy are all grandmas. Maybe Zergfluid needs to watch some Golden Girls or something.
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Mar 3, 2014 06:49
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I need to reiterate this: Multiple things can be true at the same time. Just because I believe in what I'm saying does not mean that I discount individual failings/faults leading to virgoons to keep being virgins into their late 20s. Life is complex and there are no simple causes. I felt that many of you were being simplistic in how you kept blaming these men without taking into consideration larger forces. At the same time one shouldn't get occupied with those fancy larger forces and neglect that self-improvement/being sociable can help improve one's chances.
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Mar 3, 2014 06:52
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The virgins in this thread are not on your side. They mostly sound like pretty normal people who just need help with their anxiety/health and need to get out more. If we are being overly lovely toward these bottom men you are talking about it's because they only exist in your head and you seem to think men who put no effort into taking care of themselves deserve to be with super hot women but not vice versa because unattractive women don't count as people. How are you in any position to have an opinion on human interaction when you do not interact with humans?
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Mar 3, 2014 06:54
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you're the only one making GBS threads on the virgin guys at this point you dense gently caress
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Mar 3, 2014 06:55
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Starter Wiggin posted:Wait, so what about 18-29 year old women who are infertile? Hey Zerg poo poo, what about this? How do they fit in your backwards misogynistic fantasies?
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Mar 3, 2014 06:57
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lidnsya posted:The virgins in this thread are not on your side. They mostly sound like pretty normal people who just need help with their anxiety/health and need to get out more. Better not complain, male virgins, and blame anything other than yourselves for your plight. quote:If we are being overly lovely toward these bottom men you are talking about it's because they only exist in your head and you seem to think men who put no effort into taking care of themselves deserve to be with super hot women but not vice versa because unattractive women don't count as people. Quote the part where I said this.
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Mar 3, 2014 07:00
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http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/health/world-fattest-man-died-900-pounds-article-1.1353829 This guy had a wife. I'm pretty sure he's -1,000,000 on the sex ladder scale. What's your excuse again? Instead of putting all your energy into making a ridiculous analysis, go outside. Talk to women. Jesus Christ. Edit: Also this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quAddzjBYw0 Maximusi fucked around with this message at 07:08 on Mar 3, 2014 |
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Mar 3, 2014 07:04
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Starter Wiggin posted:Hey Zerg poo poo, what about this? How do they fit in your backwards misogynistic fantasies? The general attractiveness of young women is a general signal of their fertility and health. Just because the woman might not be fertile does not mean that the signal of that attractiveness will fail to have the intended effect of provoking male interest. It is the signal itself that draws male interest and not a rational consideration of what it might mean. Nature could not trust reproduction to rational processes after all.
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Mar 3, 2014 07:08
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ZergFluid posted:Better not complain, male virgins, and blame anything other than yourselves for your plight. Of course they are allowed to complain and no one has said differently. There is a difference between complaining about how difficulties in your life have held you back from sexual relationships and blaming everything on the shallowness of women or some weird sex marketplace theory with no basis in reality. I'm too lazy to quote but you did straight up say that sex with an older or unattractive woman doesn't count.
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Mar 3, 2014 07:09
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ZergFluid posted:Hmm, the virginal men who have posted in this thread are unattractive social retards with lovely personalities? Good to know. Thanks for pouring your heart out guys!!!! "It's not their fault! Market forces are conspiring to keep men from sticking their penises in things!" ZergFluid posted:Better not complain, male virgins, and blame anything other than yourselves for your plight. "It's their own faults for whatever reason!"
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Mar 3, 2014 07:14
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lidnsya posted:Of course they are allowed to complain and no one has said differently. There is a difference between complaining about how difficulties in your life have held you back from sexual relationships and blaming everything on the shallowness of women or some weird sex marketplace theory with no basis in reality. Whoa -- blame "everything"? That is precisely what I have not done. Seriously, all these strawmanning is getting tiresome. quote:I'm too lazy to quote but you did straight up say that sex with an older or unattractive woman doesn't count. Yes, because "go have sex with grandmas" is no solution for the plight of virginal males since men are not built to find grandmas sexually desirable in the least. And yes, I do believe that even virginal men are not willing to sink very low just to have sex. If a guy is Sex Rank 4 he has every right to not want to lose his virginity to a woman is a woman a 1 or a 2, the lowest of the low.
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Mar 3, 2014 07:14
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Maybe some of these guys are virgins because they arbitrarily rank women on a scale of worth
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Mar 3, 2014 07:16
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change my name posted:Maybe some of these guys are virgins because they arbitrarily rank women on a scale of worth you're actively going somewhere my mind can't comprehend or follow, are you sure about this groundbreaking idea
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Mar 3, 2014 07:18
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Agent Kool-Aid posted:you're actively going somewhere my mind can't comprehend or follow, are you sure about this groundbreaking idea Did I loving splutter?
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Mar 3, 2014 07:18
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ZergFluid posted:Yes, because "go have sex with grandmas" is no solution for the plight of virginal males since men are not built to find grandmas sexually desirable in the least. You never answered my question about why you think any woman over 30 is a grandma.
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Mar 3, 2014 07:26
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This ranking system does not exist. This marketplace poo poo does not exist. It's in your head and the heads of all of the other socially maladjusted men who refuse to take any responsibility for their failures. You stew together and reinforce each others' whining uneducated theories while becoming more and more detached from reality and more frustrated and angry until you end up killing yourself or other people. You have been brainwashed by some very sick people (I don't blame you for this) and you need serious help. I hope you get help and find happiness some day.
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Mar 3, 2014 07:30
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Nessa posted:You never answered my question about why you think any woman over 30 is a grandma. Because this chain of discussion started when someone implied virginal men should be porking real grandmas. Anyway, women over 30 are often still attractive.
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Mar 3, 2014 07:31
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ZergFluid posted:Because this chain of discussion started when someone implied virginal men should be porking real grandmas. No. You are the one who claimed that women's "best years" are their 20's and those years are being stolen by older men. When asked why older women (women over 30) are not an option, you referred to them as being unattractive grandmas.
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Mar 3, 2014 07:37
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Nessa posted:No. You are the one who claimed that women's "best years" are their 20's and those years are being stolen by older men. When asked why older women (women over 30) are not an option, you referred to them as being unattractive grandmas. Relevant post: ZergFluid posted:No, I most certainly do not think it would count if these virginal men who have posted in this thread had gotten laid by real 60 year old women (not that human nature is such that these grandmas wopuld want to be sleeping with youngsters anyway. These two groups repel each other sexually.) Clearly not referring to 30 year old women as grandmas but women twice that age.
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