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suztan
Jul 4, 2012

ZergFluid posted:

That is largely a myth fabricated by feminists to compensate for the clear and undeniable fact that women in their 30s are more "diminished" in terms of beauty and desirability than 20-something females who are the most desired sexual cohort.

:munch:

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ZergFluid
Feb 20, 2014

by XyloJW

Shannonmcn posted:

You presented no evidence so why the gently caress should I? Just so happens the evidence actually backs me up.

My explanations of the structural inequalities inherent in the current sexual marketplace could use more data, but I believe that the explanations significantly stand for themselves as wholesome arguments. I am always on the lookout for data. If what I say is true then it would follow that the variance in sex partners among heterosexual males would have increased since the sexual revolution. This is very likely true and would be a huge confirmation of my thesis.

lidnsya
Nov 14, 2007
<img src="https://fi.somethingawful.com/customtitles/title-lidnsya.jpg"><br>All aboard the sleepy train!
I'm sorry for the loss of your worth as a human being, Starter Wiggin. I'll see you in the hideous sexless grandma commune in a couple years.

EN Bullshit
Apr 5, 2012
so if the average woman doesnt get a sexual peek until her thirties, that means theres still time for me, even if im a dude?

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?
I work in a pharmacy and based on the observable data it seems that old people gently caress like rabbits.

ZergFluid
Feb 20, 2014

by XyloJW

Humanoid Female posted:

I'm going to be 43 in a few months, and while I realize this is just my own opinion, I'm a hell of a lot more attractive now than I was as an awkward, spotty, badly dressed, unconfident 20 year old. I wouldn't go back to being 20 if you paid me. I also get hit on by guys in their 20s way more often than by guys my own age, so I guess your theory that it's biologically impossible for men to be attracted to women over 30 is dumb.

Yes, that is a dumb thing to say. Too bad I didn't say it.

Good for you that you feel sexy. I wish I felt sexy. I wish I touched a boob.

Arakan
May 10, 2008

After some persuasion, Fluttershy finally opens up, and Twilight's more than happy to oblige in doing her best performance as a nice, obedient wolf-puppy.

HopperUK posted:

I work in a pharmacy and based on the observable data it seems that old people gently caress like rabbits.

what else are u gonna do when you retire

Tragic Otter
Aug 3, 2000

ZergFluid posted:

Yes, that is a dumb thing to say. Too bad I didn't say it.

Good for you that you feel sexy. I wish I felt sexy. I wish I touched a boob.

I can't imagine why you haven't.

Sexgun Rasputin
May 5, 2013

by Ralp

(and can't post for 671 days!)

are you honestly getting $10 worth of enjoyment out of this gimmick zergfluid




also en bullshit i have to know did you choose that name or was it thrust upon you

EN Bullshit
Apr 5, 2012
its a all me

FoolyCharged
Oct 11, 2012

Cheating at a raffle? I sentence you to 1 year in jail! No! Two years! Three! Four! Five years! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah!
Somebody call for an ant?

ZergFluid posted:

I wish I touched a boob.

You don't touch yourself when you shower?

ZergFluid
Feb 20, 2014

by XyloJW

Sexgun Rasputin posted:

also en bullshit i have to know did you choose that name or was it thrust upon you

It's my Starcraft 2 name.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQSp0wJvGcQ

EN Bullshit
Apr 5, 2012
nice. zergfluid also happens to be my spirit animal

Sexgun Rasputin
May 5, 2013

by Ralp

(and can't post for 671 days!)


i was talking to forums poster en bullshit

Tragic Otter
Aug 3, 2000


That YouTube channel is stunning. 389 videos, and not one has more than 300 views.

ZergFluid
Feb 20, 2014

by XyloJW

Sexgun Rasputin posted:

i was talking to forums poster en bullshit

Oh no problem mate.

quote:

That YouTube channel is stunning. 389 videos, and not one has more than 300 views.

It's not my channel.

Sexgun Rasputin
May 5, 2013

by Ralp

(and can't post for 671 days!)

oh that's not his real channel, he stole some poor kid's name so when his gimmick got too silly he could throw out some "proof" that he's a real person that really thinks those thoughts and not the sockpuppet of someone who gets their jollies riling up e/n in a really particular and specific way, similar that john pop character. i think it's a new fetish.

Tragic Otter
Aug 3, 2000

ZergFluid posted:

It's not my channel.

Wow, you're quick to stick words in my mouth considering you've spent half this thread posting "nu-uh that's not what I said!"

ZergFluid
Feb 20, 2014

by XyloJW
^Fair. Not sure what your point was, then...


Recently a woman named Emily Matchar wrote a piece for The New Republic that was somewhat slightly sympathetic to MRAs. I wrote her this email. It restates much of my thesis.


quote:

The reasons Men's Rights/PUA/Red Pill are rising are numerous. Some of these reasons are the explicitly stated ones — i.e, fathers rights. Others are more subtle...they can't talk about it without feminists cackling, but oh it's very serious. I'm someone who you feminists would consider a "misogynist," though I don't really despise women, I just think feminists are somewhat oblivious (or simply don't care) about somethings that have been happening in culture since the 60s.

Prior to the Sexual Revolution, culture encouraged lifetime monogamy, and while there was some non-marital sex going on and not every woman was necessarily a virgin at marriage, it was still the case that nearly everyone paired off early in live, in their early 20s usually. The effect of this was this that everyone found their place, the hot guy married the hot girl, the plain guy married the plain girl, and so on.

However, the Sexual Revolution changed that. It unleashed the restraints placed upon women and the restraints placed upon the top men — the alpha males. Gradually, the hot guy/alpha male did not have to settle for a few flings before lifelong marriage. Suddenly he could have multiple, year-long relations with different women before eventually marrying a younger woman in his 30s. Don't you see the problem with this? This sort of man essentially "hoards" women's Erotic Capital at the expense of other men. Whereas before the Sexual Revolution he might have had to contend with 16 years of one woman's prime years, post-Sexual Revolution, he might get 30+ "prime years" combined from MULTIPLE women. Obviously this must naturally mean that other men get left with a lesser supply of "prime" aged women (say 18 to 35.)

From the women's perspective, the Sexual Revolution freed women to not have to settle with a man of their equivalent Sex Rank early in life. It allowed women to have these flings/casual sex/FWB relations etc with men above them in Sex Rank. Remember when Hugh Grant got busted for soliciting a prostitute despite being married to at the time one of the most beautiful women in the world? Yea, men are willing to date down to experience "variety," and the alpha males/hot men of today are doing just that to experience variety. Thus, the alpha male 10 might, in addition to getting female 10s, hoard the Female Erotic Capital of women in the 9 through 7 range. The guy who is a 9 must now date a girl is an 8 because of the lesser supply of girl 9's (due to them being hoarded by the guy who is a 10), and this guy who is a 9 himself dates down to hoard the Female Erotic Capital of women in the 8 through 6 range. And so on.

The cumulative effect is the guys at the bottom get left with nothing. Whereas in earlier decades these guys might have found relationships/marriage with a woman of EQUIVALENT sex rank, today these guy's find it much harder to do so because of the serial monogamy and polyandry of the top 20% of males, which trickles down to effect every man.

Eventually though women find that they want meaningful relationships/marriage/kids and find it hard to get commitment from the "top males" who used them for sex. These women, nearing or in their 30s, then end up having no choice but to "settle" for a man of equivalent sex rank. Some men in the manosphere argue that these women then find these men they "settle" for unsatisfactory due to the experience of being hosed by men higher up on the sex rank ladder, but that's beside the point right now. The end result of all of this is: Society has in some ways returned to the laws of the jungle where top men get lots of women and lots of other men get left with nothing.

Some of these men who get left with nothing then become misogynists.

The solution to the problem is obvious: Legalize prostitution. If the guy who gets left with nothing can just legally and conveniently go pay for it, then perhaps he'd have less of a reason to hate the women who rejected him and are loving top males because society decided to sanction soft polyandry.

Sexgun Rasputin
May 5, 2013

by Ralp

(and can't post for 671 days!)

you know prostitution is practically legal and you can order an escort over the internet right



also lol did you get a response?

12gauge
Feb 24, 2014

FoolyCharged posted:

Why? You do realize that for all the hosed up things you've said you felt you were, you're still more level headed and mature than this nut right? Make use of that time honored tradition of looking beneath you and feeling better, because at least you're not that... thing.

He's just a guy trying to make sense of the pain he's in. It could be much worse anyway.

Besides, who knows? I had a girlfriend once. Maybe if I hadn't, I'd be the one going on about sexual libertarians. There for the grace of God, and all that.

ZergFluid
Feb 20, 2014

by XyloJW

Sexgun Rasputin posted:

you know prostitution is practically legal and you can order an escort over the internet right

No, it most certainly is NOT "practically legal."

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?id=9126782

quote:

also lol did you get a response?

No. :(

Humanoid Female
Mar 13, 2008

Zergfluid, you realize there are like 50 countries with legal prostitution, right? And most of them probably also have statistics available on average age of virginity loss, average number of sexual partners over a lifetime and so on? Have you made any effort to look up those things and see if there's any weight behind your idea that legalizing prostitution would mean nobody ever has to suffer through their 20s without getting laid? Because if you're right, if this is a genuine widespread problem in society and legal prostitution is the answer, then every single one of those countries should have almost no male virgins who are older than the legal age to buy hookers.

Sexgun Rasputin
May 5, 2013

by Ralp

(and can't post for 671 days!)

also why would you rather gently caress a prostitute than a free and willing sex partner idgi did you just give up on consensual sex forever and why?

teenytinymouse
Aug 3, 2005

I'm Shannon and I'm the biggest Idiot Ever!

ZergFluid posted:

the explanations significantly stand for themselves as wholesome arguments

They really don't.

FoolyCharged
Oct 11, 2012

Cheating at a raffle? I sentence you to 1 year in jail! No! Two years! Three! Four! Five years! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah!
Somebody call for an ant?

12gauge posted:

He's just a guy trying to make sense of the pain he's in. It could be much worse anyway.

Looks like I mucked up my tone a bit, was making a bit of an off colored(and off topic) jab at how people tend to look beneath them to make themselves feel better. My honest opinion of him is that he's got a fear of responsibility for himself that matches my fear of not being responsible for the stuff in my life.

tbp
Mar 1, 2008

DU WIRST NIEMALS ALLEINE MARSCHIEREN

Starter Wiggin posted:

Oh boy. Countdown to unironic use of the term 'feminazi'.

Lol bet he posts on redditt and is a PUA/MRA too.

LemonDrizzle
Mar 28, 2012

neoliberal shithead
zergfluid what is your sex rank and could you post some pictures of representative women that you feel would be an appropriate match for you in a fairer world where the sexual revolution had never happened and alphas could not hoard all of the good sexing?

ZergFluid
Feb 20, 2014

by XyloJW

Humanoid Female posted:

Zergfluid, you realize there are like 50 countries with legal prostitution, right? And most of them probably also have statistics available on average age of virginity loss, average number of sexual partners over a lifetime and so on? Have you made any effort to look up those things and see if there's any weight behind your idea that legalizing prostitution would mean nobody ever has to suffer through their 20s without getting laid? Because if you're right, if this is a genuine widespread problem in society and legal prostitution is the answer, then every single one of those countries should have almost no male virgins who are older than the legal age to buy hookers.

Good point. It's certainly worth investigating. Unfortunately I can't myself do firsthand research, I just rely on studies published by others to formulate my cogent analyses.

teenytinymouse
Aug 3, 2005

I'm Shannon and I'm the biggest Idiot Ever!

ZergFluid posted:

my cogent analyses.

Brb laughing forever.

Starter Wiggin
Feb 1, 2009

Screw the enemy's gate man, I've got a fucking TAIL!
Do you know how crazy the ladies go for those?

lidnsya posted:

I'm sorry for the loss of your worth as a human being, Starter Wiggin. I'll see you in the hideous sexless grandma commune in a couple years.

Oh I'm not worthless yet, I have a few years left to conquer the sex market.
What sex stocks are good to invest in?

Giggs
Jan 4, 2013

mama huhu
Zergfluid plays Terran because Kerrigan and the Protoss are hoarding sex points in their bases, oppressing poor Jim Raynor. What's even more unfair is that Kerrigan is like immortal or something and the protoss are totally plants so they don't age and conveniently become grandmas which would free up all those sex points for the people who are owed sex.

Humanoid Female
Mar 13, 2008

ZergFluid posted:

Good point. It's certainly worth investigating. Unfortunately I can't myself do firsthand research, I just rely on studies published by others to formulate my cogent analyses.

What studies? So far you haven't given us links to any "studies published by others." I'm not saying do firsthand research, I'm saying you could spend anywhere from ten minutes to an evening Googling some legitimate already-published statistics on sex and demographics in countries with legal prostitution. Nobody sane is going to take your ideas seriously when you're not even willing to do a marginal amount of looking up whether or not the existing real-world facts support those ideas. You're literally saying "I believe this is true but I don't know why and I'm not gonna check."

12gauge
Feb 24, 2014

FoolyCharged posted:

Looks like I mucked up my tone a bit, was making a bit of an off colored(and off topic) jab at how people tend to look beneath them to make themselves feel better.

Gotcha. The thread's kind of full of that.. I thought you were serious. Sorry!

Yad Rock
Mar 1, 2005
Please stop talking about the sexual marketplace when you do not participate in it. You're just jerking yourself off with your invisible hand.

ZergFluid
Feb 20, 2014

by XyloJW

Humanoid Female posted:

What studies? So far you haven't given us links to any "studies published by others."

The series of papers by Roy F. Baumeister that vindicate that "sexual economics" thesis.

Chicken Butt
Oct 27, 2010

ZergFluid posted:

formulate my cogent analyses.

I'm considering offering you cash money to try using this phrase as a pick-up line in a bar, and then report back to us. "Hey, 20-something peak-fertility female, would you like to take a break from robotically sexing alpha males to listen to me formulate some cogent analyses?"

April
Jul 3, 2006


Zergfluid, do you genuinely believe that the only way for men who are not physically attractive in a conventional way to have sex is to pay for it?

That's really goddamn sad. Do you seriously not understand that there are other ways to be attractive?

There are some very good-looking virgins in this thread - how do you account for that?

We, both men and women, are more than our biological impulses.

Then again, someone who refers to themselves as "incel" in a serious way probably wouldn't get that.

trickybiscuits
Jan 13, 2008

yospos

Motherfucker posted:

Dude you're hot.

If attractive people aren't getting laid what hope do I have?? :negative:
I'm unattractive AND I reenact. If I wasn't a lady with a (rapidly-devaluing) portfolio of sex options, I'd probably kill myself.

Here's a link- the author did a recent economics of sex rebuttal somewhere else on his site, too. http://www.doctornerdlove.com/2013/03/toxic-alpha-male/

LemonDrizzle posted:

zergfluid what is your sex rank and could you post some pictures of representative women that you feel would be an appropriate match for you in a fairer world where the sexual revolution had never happened and alphas could not hoard all of the good sexing?
He's not brave enough to do this, he's too beta (as his worth as a man is derived solely from the sex he isn't having).

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docbeard
Jul 19, 2011

Don't be so quick to dismiss sexual economics. Trust me, once you dim the lights, put on some Barry White on the stereo, and curl up with your special lady or gent in front of the fireplace with a glass of wine and a cogent analysis of the Fed's plans to raise interest rates...

Wait, what are we talking about again?

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