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CowboyAndy
Aug 7, 2012

EN Bullshit posted:

"Getting laid" is relative. You're assuming that what counts as sex to those people would count as sex to everyone.


I don't have theories I'm just really self-loathsome and feel like posting on the Internet.

What are you even talking about? Here, I'll make a quick and easy flowchart for you:


IS YOUR DICK IN HER VAGINA?

NO
You're not having sex

YES
You are having sex

IT'S JUST ORAL
That's sex enough

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Red Dragon
Mar 3, 2014

by Ralp

Forceholy posted:

What I don't get about this theory is what happens to the "Alphas"? Are they stuck in a loveless relationship with children they raise out of a sense of responsibility? Do they still gently caress around with various women as their looks start to fade as well? Or are they alone in their middle age working a poo poo job in some kind of nerd power fantasy?

Also, Lol OkCupid.

Nope when they are ready to settle down, they have the pick of the litter. Everyone on their gently caress list wants to be wifey.

Dr. Witherbone
Nov 1, 2010

CHEESE LOOKS ON IN
DESPAIR BUT ALSO WITH
AN ERECTION

EN Bullshit posted:

Sorry, I thought it was obvious, but I should have made this explicit: Assume you are physically unattractive. And for most people, or at least dudes, once you've started losing your hair, you're extremely unlikely to become conventionally attractive, even if you Lift. All. The. Weights.

whaaaaaaaaaaat

Making any kind of effort in this thread has become dumb, but listen: shaved heads look perfectly fine, some women are even way into them. In the very least they aren't off-putting. I don't know if you're speaking from personal experience, but if you're balding shave your head.

It looks a hell of a lot better than a lovely bald spot. In fact, it looks good. Also, I'd like to preemptively tell you to shut the gently caress up about having a lumpy head. Is this your head?



No? Then it'll look fine.

Synonamess Botch
Jun 5, 2006

dicks are for my cat

Dr. Witherbone posted:

whaaaaaaaaaaat

Making any kind of effort in this thread has become dumb, but listen: shaved heads look perfectly fine, some women are even way into them. In the very least they aren't off-putting. I don't know if you're speaking from personal experience, but if you're balding shave your head.

It looks a hell of a lot better than a lovely bald spot. In fact, it looks good. Also, I'd like to preemptively tell you to shut the gently caress up about having a lumpy head. Is this your head?



No? Then it'll look fine.

shaving your head if you're balding is a good idea but I don't think you need to take it this far.

EN Bullshit
Apr 5, 2012

CowboyAndy posted:

What are you even talking about? Here, I'll make a quick and easy flowchart for you:


IS YOUR DICK IN HER VAGINA?

NO
You're not having sex

YES
You are having sex

IT'S JUST ORAL
That's sex enough

Eh. There's something icky about defining sex as penis-in-vagina and other things as "sex-enough" or "like sex but not quite", but I'm not really eloquent or learned enough to explain.

EN Bullshit fucked around with this message at 03:46 on Mar 4, 2014

Turtlicious
Sep 17, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
If you orgasm and there is another person involved, you're having sex. Jesus.

Okuteru
Nov 10, 2007

Choose this life you're on your own

Red Dragon posted:

Nope when they are ready to settle down, they have the pick of the litter. Everyone on their gently caress list wants to be wifey.

But you just mentioned that the "Beta" guys are getting hit on by aging 30-year-old women looking for a provider. So why do "betas" still exist in this age? How do you account for people who don't believe in marriage or having children? What about the MILF phenomenon in porn which kinda bleeds into contemporary culture?

You know, I'm beginning to think this whole men's rights/red pill stuff is full of poo poo.

CowboyAndy
Aug 7, 2012

EN Bullshit posted:

Eh. There's something icky about defining sex as penis-in-vagina and other things as "sex-enough" or "like or sex but not quite", but I'm not really eloquent or learned enough to explain.

What if I said "peeny-in-vajayjay'?

EN Bullshit
Apr 5, 2012

Dr. Witherbone posted:

No? Then it'll look fine.

Balding is a sign of aging. Sure, you might be relatively attractive among your peer group, but you're not going to find yourself frequently banging 18-22-year-olds.

CowboyAndy posted:

What if I said "peeny-in-vajayjay'?

I feel like that has to depend on how both (or all?) parties involved in the peeny-in-vajayjay feel about it. If they both like it, it might be sex.

Red Dragon
Mar 3, 2014

by Ralp

Forceholy posted:

But you just mentioned that the "Beta" guys are getting hit on by aging 30-year-old women looking for a provider. So why do "betas" still exist in this age? How do you account for people who don't believe in marriage or having children? What about the MILF phenomenon in porn which kinda bleeds into contemporary culture?

You know, I'm beginning to think this whole men's rights/red pill stuff is full of poo poo.

Im not a mens right advocate.The circle of life. Their will always be predators and prey. If everyone was alpha their would be constant fighting and no time for sex. Beta guys continue to try and mate, but don't have much suscess unless the women can not get into an alphas harem, or has been used up and left with a child. The majority of people believe in marriage and children and the one's that don't are an insignificant number. The bottom line is that women are much more ruthless than men when it comes to the mating game.

EN Bullshit
Apr 5, 2012

Red Dragon posted:

Their will always be predators and prey.

And I will never be a t-rex. :negative:

ZergFluid
Feb 20, 2014

by XyloJW

Red Dragon posted:

Nope when they are ready to settle down, they have the pick of the litter. Everyone on their gently caress list wants to be wifey.

Beautifully stated.

Alpha fucks, beta bucks.

Aphelion Necrology
Jul 17, 2005

Take care of the dead and the dead will take care of you
More pictures of virgoons and less explosive diarrhea about sexual hierarchy and biotruths

Spergfluid shut up

CowboyAndy
Aug 7, 2012
Forget 'peeny-in-vajayjay'. I'm sticking with "getting ol' Taft stuck in the bathtub". Nothing is sexier than a Presidential BBM.

EN Bullshit posted:

Balding is a sign of aging. Sure, you might be relatively attractive among your peer group, but you're not going to find yourself frequently banging 18-22-year-olds.

When I was 23 I was dating an 18 year old.

When I was 25 I was dating and 18 year old (who lied about her age and said she was 20 at first).

When I was 26 I was dating a 20 year old.

I learned two things from those relationships:

a) Women, even college-age women, still found me attractive despite the five-head.

b) Age gaps that large don't lead to great relationships.

EN Bullshit
Apr 5, 2012
Who cares about great relationships when you just want to get ol' Taft stuck in twenty-year-bathtubs to make yourself feel better?

Secks Cauldron
Aug 26, 2006

I thought they closed that place down!

EN Bullshit posted:

Balding is a sign of aging. Sure, you might be relatively attractive among your peer group, but you're not going to find yourself frequently banging 18-22-year-olds.
Not so much. I know a handful of guys who started balding when they were 16-19.

CowboyAndy
Aug 7, 2012

EN Bullshit posted:

Who cares about great relationships when you just want to get ol' Taft stuck in twenty-year-bathtubs to make yourself feel better?

Well, as someone who was fat, painfully shy, socially awkward, and a virgin until he was 23, I thought having sex with beautiful women would make my life that much better. I learned that wasn't the case. Sex with different people can help you feel more relaxed with sex, but it won't truly make you happy.

I'm 29 now, and I know random sex won't make me happy. Having a relationship with someone that I love (and have good sex with) matters more.

EDIT; Really, take it from me. You won't find happiness in the arms of strangers.

lidnsya
Nov 14, 2007
<img src="https://fi.somethingawful.com/customtitles/title-lidnsya.jpg"><br>All aboard the sleepy train!
People cannot be classified into levels like that. Mentally healthy people do not rank people like that. It's all in your head. If you put some of the effort of feeling sorry for yourself and blaming others into therapy for your horrible self esteem, you could actually become a healthy happy person.

I'm not saying you are solely to blame for your situation. It's not all your fault. Life is hard and hosed up and everyone suffers from some societal pressure.

Having sex with a hot person is not going to solve your issues, but if you solve your issues you will end up a happier person and people will want to have sex with you.

Colin Mockery
Jun 24, 2007
Rawr



Red Dragon posted:

If everyone was alpha their would be constant fighting and no time for sex. Beta guys continue to try and mate, but don't have much suscess unless the women can not get into an alphas harem, or has been used up and left with a child. The majority of people believe in marriage and children and the one's that don't are an insignificant number.

Jesus Christ, see a loving shrink already.

trickybiscuits
Jan 13, 2008

yospos

ZergFluid posted:

Quoting Doctor Nerdlove: "Women actually have a greater capacity for sexual desire than men do… society has just trained them out of acknowledging it."

Top comment: Honest question, not trying to quibble, but why, if women have more sexual desire, isn't there a more flourishing male prostitution industry? And why is female prostitution so expensive? Here we have true economics of sex, where money is involved, but it's acting differently from the rest of the world. Why is that?

Responses to that comment: splutter splutter splutter
WTF, do you realize how many US women use vibrators on the regular and how huge the romance novel market is? Maybe you can do some of your famous research on those topics to dismiss the fact that a shitload of women are paying for culturally-encouraged orgasms and fantasy fodder.

eta Actually, maybe my response should be, as sex toys are safer, more reliable, and less emotionally demanding than sex with people, and if men are more sexually driven than women are, why are so many more women using sex toys than men?

lidnsya posted:

Mentally healthy people do not rank people like that.
Holy poo poo, yeah. You guys sound like me before I got on antidepressants.

trickybiscuits fucked around with this message at 04:38 on Mar 4, 2014

Pinball
Sep 15, 2006




EN Bullshit posted:

Balding is a sign of aging. Sure, you might be relatively attractive among your peer group, but you're not going to find yourself frequently banging 18-22-year-olds.

I dunno, when I was 18 if Vin Diesel came into my room and said 'what up, girl,' I would bang that man through the wall.

12gauge
Feb 24, 2014

lidnsya posted:

People cannot be classified into levels like that. Mentally healthy people do not rank people like that. It's all in your head. If you put some of the effort of feeling sorry for yourself and blaming others into therapy for your horrible self esteem, you could actually become a healthy happy person.

Uh... any suggestions for someone for whom therapy and medication just don't work?

Suntory BOSS
Apr 17, 2006

ZergFluid posted:

There are certain people I'm talking to in this thread who will never give any ground, but the discourse is not for their benefit. It's for the benefit of all those other virginal males wondering about their plight. What I'm saying is: Dudes, it's okay. It's not entirely your fault. The system by design produces more male sexual losers than female sexual losers.

That doesn't benefit them at all. Seriously, how is it's not your fault going to help them more than meaningful advice on self improvement and personal development?

edit; The people whose benefit you're ostensibly posting for are telling you to gently caress off

Bag of Hamsters
Jul 12, 2006

Gimme yer frickin pancreas

I needs it for reasons.

ZergFluid posted:

Beautifully stated.

Alpha fucks, beta bucks.

Hey Jane, hey. I figured something out [it took me a while because I've got a tinier lady brain].

You totally have your hand on your dick while you post, don't you? You get off on all this abuse. I've watched you through three usernames and it's the same nonsense over and over. You don't want people to come around to your arguments - no one is anyways - because that would stem the tide of spluttering laughter than gets your yogurt cannon rock-solid. At this point, you must have macros written up to spam this crap about 'hypergamy' and 'sexual marketplace,' because your recitation is unerring. Of course, it'd be silly to type it all up when you can whack a key with one finger and your dick with two.

Also, you yelled at me in the MRA thread that you never said you were attracted to teenagers, but oh man, guess what ages magically fall into your vaunted second 1.5 decade?

Oh you darling spergy pedophile, you always make my day brighter.

Secks Cauldron
Aug 26, 2006

I thought they closed that place down!

12gauge posted:

Uh... any suggestions for someone for whom therapy and medication just don't work?
Just curious, but how many different therapists have you seen and what kinds of therapy did they specialize in?

moot4king
Oct 9, 2012
Pillbug
Thinking about posting my story but it would probably be me rambling about my depression, anxiety and apathy. At least I'm not suicidal anymore :shobon:

If there's still an interest for that sort of thing in this thread.

FoolyCharged
Oct 11, 2012

Cheating at a raffle? I sentence you to 1 year in jail! No! Two years! Three! Four! Five years! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah!
Somebody call for an ant?

Suntory BOSS posted:

edit; The people whose benefit you're ostensibly posting for are telling you to gently caress off

Have been for a while, under no uncertain terms :ssh:

But it's ok, zergfluid, we totally understand that it's not depression, a lack of attention to our appearances, a short supply of self confidence, or any other number of factors that we can work at to make ourselves better people that are keeping us down. It is clearly the man and we are weak and powerless against him, and we all can thank you for opening our eyes to this!

On a serious note dude, I don't know what traumatized you to the point at which you're so insistent that you lack the power and control over your life that is necessary for you to be responsible for it, but whatever it is is unhealthy as all hell, and that's a serious understatement. If you never take responsibility for your actions, that means someone else is, and that you're dependent upon them, and you'll never be an independent functioning adult. By spouting this nonsense about how it's the man that's keeping you and the imaginary people you're trying to sympathize with down, you are choosing to figuratively enslave yourself to someone else's power rather than admit that maybe you're part of where you are in life. That's just.. sad, really.

Go get yourself some help while there's still time to turn your life around, because otherwise you're actively choosing to waste it and that's nobody's fault but your own.

moot4king posted:

Thinking about posting my story but it would probably be me rambling about my depression, anxiety and apathy. At least I'm not suicidal anymore :shobon:

If there's still an interest for that sort of thing in this thread.

knock yourself out. Hell with zerg drawing all the fire, you'll probably get a lot of sympathy and less of the laughter at your expense.

FoolyCharged fucked around with this message at 04:46 on Mar 4, 2014

EXTREME INSERTION
Jun 4, 2011

by LadyAmbien
This thread is kind of turning me on

Red Dragon
Mar 3, 2014

by Ralp

Horking Delight posted:

Jesus Christ, see a loving shrink already.

gently caress you. Do you know what's it like being a low status black man in this country. Too culturally white for blacks and too loving short and black for everyone else.

EXTREME INSERTION
Jun 4, 2011

by LadyAmbien

Red Dragon posted:

gently caress you. Do you know what's it like being a low status black man in this country. Too culturally white for blacks and too loving short and black for everyone else.

Hello Jon pop

Okuteru
Nov 10, 2007

Choose this life you're on your own

Red Dragon posted:

gently caress you. Do you know what's it like being a low status black man in this country. Too culturally white for blacks and too loving short and black for everyone else.

Hey, I'm a Hispanic man who is "too white for hispanics" and "too brown for whites". I still got laid. Yes, even "has issues with women and himself" Forceholy got laid. Maybe the problem is with you. Hth.

Red Dragon
Mar 3, 2014

by Ralp

Forceholy posted:

Hey, I'm a Hispanic man who is "too white for hispanics" and "too brown for whites". I still got laid. Yes, even "has issues with women and himself" Forceholy got laid. Maybe the problem is with you. Hth.

You are probably a white hispanic. They get pass's from alot people. Being black is the lowest thing you can be in this country. Our sexual capital is non existant.

Okuteru
Nov 10, 2007

Choose this life you're on your own

Red Dragon posted:

You are probably a white hispanic. They get pass's from alot people. Being black is the lowest thing you can be in this country. Our sexual capital is non existant.

Dude, I'm pretty brown. I'm not denying the existence of prejudice in American life. Also, how do you explain the sex appeal of black men like Usher, Tyrese Gibson, Donald Glover? Maybe therapy will help.

FoolyCharged
Oct 11, 2012

Cheating at a raffle? I sentence you to 1 year in jail! No! Two years! Three! Four! Five years! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah!
Somebody call for an ant?

Red Dragon posted:

You are probably a white hispanic. They get pass's from alot people. Being black is the lowest thing you can be in this country. Our sexual capital is non existant.

I'm just gonna throw this out there, but maybe it's less the skin color and more the very hostile "Us and Them" attitude you seem to be taking? Hostility tends to be a turn off for a lot of people for things as simple as general politeness, let alone friendship or romantic affairs.

12gauge
Feb 24, 2014

Oral Slither posted:

Just curious, but how many different therapists have you seen and what kinds of therapy did they specialize in?
I... actually lost count. It's no more than 15 but I don't want to remember some of them. Mostly unspecific 'talk therapy.' There was a CBT guy, there was one that specialized in EMDR but never got me to a point where I was ready for those techniques, whatever exactly that means. The last one used the internal family systems model, last fall we agreed it wasn't going anywhere and I was wasting her time.

Same situation with drugs. One SSRI worked and crapped out in four months, since then nothing's had any positive effect. The last thing I tried made me disassociated and suicidal, I'm still angry at the guy that prescribed it.

It's loving ridiculous. :smith:

car dance
May 12, 2010

Ben is actually an escaped polar bear, posing as a human.

Unlikely because Polar Bears do not know how to speak.
Also it does not make any sense.

Turtlicious posted:

If you orgasm and there is another person involved, you're having sex. Jesus.

But also sometimes there is no orgasm because orgasm isn't the end all be all of sex. But this is a pretty accurate definition for the most part.



Also I am not surprised to wake up and see that Zergfluid completely ignored my questions. I am unsure if it's because I'm a woman or if it's because I asked him something that was too hard for him to hallucinate an answer to. Zergfluid, if you could answer the question in my last post, I would love it. I was not joking, I was seriously curious.

quote:

What about female virgins?

I have to know how they fit in to this sexual revolution theory.

ArfJason
Sep 5, 2011
Probation
Can't post for 6 days!
Is the sexual currency still volatile?

lidnsya
Nov 14, 2007
<img src="https://fi.somethingawful.com/customtitles/title-lidnsya.jpg"><br>All aboard the sleepy train!

12gauge posted:

Uh... any suggestions for someone for whom therapy and medication just don't work?

Different medication, or maybe a different dose of something?

Have you tried CBT? I need to get back into doing that myself.

The best thing I ever did for my anxiety and lovely self-esteem was get a job in retail. I was forced to interact with many people and made good friends with coworkers. When you're part of a team, you've automatically got something in common to talk about and then you eventually learn more about each other.

Volunteering would be a good idea. If you volunteer for something you care about, you're going to meet other people who care about that thing, and it'll help you realize that you do have a lot to offer.

Red Dragon
Mar 3, 2014

by Ralp

FoolyCharged posted:

I'm just gonna throw this out there, but maybe it's less the skin color and more the very hostile "Us and Them" attitude you seem to be taking? Hostility tends to be a turn off for a lot of people for things as simple as general politeness, let alone friendship or romantic affairs.

Stop whitesplaining. Im the most polite guy out there. Im the one who gets doors shut in my face, cold stares, and not clerks not wanting to touch my hand when giving me change.

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Sexgun Rasputin
May 5, 2013

by Ralp

(and can't post for 670 days!)

Red Dragon posted:

You are probably a white hispanic. They get pass's from alot people. Being black is the lowest thing you can be in this country. Our sexual capital is non existant.

so you registered an account today, with plat, to spread the good word of zero sum pussy? wtf do you get out of this?

also, lol!

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