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Captain_Maclaine posted:You would. I don't like the color of this post. 
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Zero VGS posted:Can't they just like, revoke his degree? He has tenure there.
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Mar 4, 2014 19:27
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Zero VGS posted:Can't they just like, revoke his degree? I suspect being tenured has something to do with it. E: fb
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Mar 4, 2014 19:29
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Zero VGS posted:Can't they just like, revoke his degree? Eh, that only ever happens if someone commits plageriasm, or is a tin pot despot. I guess serious dishonest scholarship can also result in degree revocation, but general lovely 'correlation/causation' work is everywhere and hardly going to result in something that serious. Foyes36 fucked around with this message at 19:37 on Mar 4, 2014 |
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Mar 4, 2014 19:33
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I was being facetious so I should have used an emoticon or something. For real though it would be nice if schools could have a more specific "Wow sorry about this idiot" boilerplate but I guess that right there is the best we get.
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Mar 4, 2014 20:05
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They're on to the next witness now:quote:Dana Nessel, for the plaintiffs, is questioning Price about his expert qualifications.  e: Oh Jesus, it's gotten better. quote:He has only co-authored one article related to children of same-sex marriage. He's written seven articles on the NBA and others about vegetables and porn. Nessel, says, regarding the NBA, that's your most extensive area of knowledge. quote:Price admits his extent of knowledge related to couples' stability stems from four articles he's read - as well as the Rosenfeld study. So his testimony when not about basketball, vegetables, or porn, will literally be  I don't mean to TVIV in this thread so much... Nth Doctor fucked around with this message at 20:14 on Mar 4, 2014 |
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Mar 4, 2014 20:07
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Regnerus actually used to do pretty good research. He has some pretty good stuff on religion and voting, and religion and sexual behavior. The thing is that he literally had done no research on same sex (marriage or relations) until 2012, and then he decided to cash in on his reputation and sell his findings to the conservative foundations that sponsored him. He is incredibly dishonest in his same sex stuff, but he really earned his degree and tenure.
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Nth Doctor posted:They're on to the next witness now: As a Michigan resident who is much too busy to be actively following the case I appreciate it.
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Mar 4, 2014 20:22
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:As a Michigan resident who is much too busy to be actively following the case I appreciate it. Same, I can't get the live comments at work so these updates are great
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DreamShipWrecked posted:Same, I can't get the live comments at work so these updates are great Cool. Back on the posting train  About a half hour ago: quote:Friedman thinks Price is "Very well qualified" to testify on the economics of the family. If he exceeds that Friedman says to object at that time. Last update from the reporter: quote:I feel like I'm in statistics class right now. This is getting pretty technical. Someone else responds to the reporter: quote:The judge just stated he is confused and questioning the relevance...oh boy sound like this guy is baffling them with his BS and trying to dazzle them with his intellect. That sure sounds like Friedman will entertain an objection.
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Ladies and gentlemen, a round of applause for Trail Life USA! quote:"We were horrified when we saw the photo in question on the MSN site and immediately investigated the situation," Stemberger said in a statement Monday. "This is what we learned... Many Boy Scout Troops have a tradition of ending their troop meetings with the boys gathering in a circle and then singing the song 'Taps' which is a slow ceremonial piece of music played or sung at the end of the day. The Boy Scouts that do this closing ceremony start singing the song with their hands raised straight into the air with the scout sign and then gradually lower their hands till they get to the end of the song when hands are at their side. This longstanding Boy Scout tradition was being followed with this Texas Trail Life troop using the Trail Life sign." "Unfortunately the reporter (either intentionally or unintentionally) caught this photograph at the exact angle which makes their arms look like they are in some kind of a stationary mid-air salute-- which they are not. We have contacted the Associated Press and demanded that they remove the photo from their archives. Unfortunately, they have not complied with our demand to date," said Stemberger.
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Mar 4, 2014 21:20
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staticman posted:Ladies and gentlemen, a round of applause for Trail Life USA! What's your point?
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:What's your point? It's just a bit of a coincidence, for a group who only exist because of the BSA's revised policy on LGBT people. They only let in boys who "do not promote sexual immorality" or are biologically male. Hmmmm...
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Mar 4, 2014 21:53
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staticman posted:It's just a bit of a coincidence, for a group who only exist because of the BSA's revised policy on LGBT people. They only let in boys who "do not promote sexual immorality" or are biologically male. Hmmmm... So are you saying that photo wasn't taken at an unfortunate time and they're literal neo Nazis? 
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I was a cub scout, was in two separate Boy Scout troops, a Venture crew, am an Eagle, and have interacted with plenty of troops in my day and I can't say I've ever seen that particular tradition. Admittedly none of the troops I was actually in was real big on the more archaic scouting traditions (or the creepy religious stuff), but I'm also not coming up with anything with a quick search either. The usual Scout sign is pinkie and thumb touching across the hand, not flat-palmed. Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 22:18 on Mar 4, 2014 |
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Mar 4, 2014 22:09
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:So are you saying that photo wasn't taken at an unfortunate time and they're literal neo Nazis? Nah, just that the timing was perfect. They may be  because of what the BSA did, but do you really think they'd let black people in if they were literal Nazis?
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staticman posted:Nah, just that the timing was perfect. They may be Literal neo-nazis, no, although you might be surprised, hate isn't eternal. The definition of "white" is a fluid thing and I remember hearing how many neo-nazis actually are OK with things like allying with jews/Israel nowadays because they hate muslims more. Even still, all but the nuttiest GOPers don't actually mind black people as long as they have all the right opinions. In fact they really love to trot out a Herman Cain or Allen West to show just how not-racist they are, particularly if said black friend proceeds to blast their own race as lazy immoral layabouts. Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 22:30 on Mar 4, 2014 |
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Mar 4, 2014 22:23
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Cross examination of Price started in the Michigan trial.quote:Price is a fellow with the Austin Institute, created by previous witness Mark Regnerus. Nessel asked what is the purpose of the Austin Institute:
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Mar 4, 2014 22:28
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Another fun quote:quote:Price being asked what percentage of children in heterosexual unions have been held back based on his study. He doesn't have the data immediately available.
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That's a fun gotcha, I don't care how dishonest it is. It makes Bigot Scouts say "how dare you insinuate that we have 2 things in common with Nazis? The correct number of things we have in common with Nazis is 1 only."
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In Kentucky news, because I didn't see it posted: AG Jack Conway probably ends his political career in this shithole of a state by announcing he wouldn't appeal the decision recognizing out of state marriages. Literally minutes later, Gov. Beshear announces he would seek outside council to represent the state in appealing. http://www.kentucky.com/2014/03/04/3120213/live-at-1030-am-attorney-general.html
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Court is in recess until tomorrow in Detroit. The last bits of cross examination:quote:Price admits that a child not passing onto the next grade is a rare event. quote:Price admits there are some children of same-sex couples in the study who performed better than children of heterosexuals. He qualified this, saying that is true of all data sets. quote:Friedman asked Nessel if she had a lot more. She said she does. They are calling court for the day. We'll be back by 9 a.m. tomorrow. I love how the reporter seems to be a little snarky at the Defense team.
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Mar 4, 2014 22:58
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Nth Doctor posted:Court is in recess until tomorrow in Detroit. The last bits of cross examination: It's hard not to be with the realization of how loving ridiculous their "experts" look under oath.
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staticman posted:It's just a bit of a coincidence, for a group who only exist because of the BSA's revised policy on LGBT people. They only let in boys who "do not promote sexual immorality" or are biologically male. Hmmmm... I kind of want someone to press them on whether or not they've had applicants tested to ensure they're not XX/XY chimeras, have Klinefelter Syndrome, or XX male syndrome. The panic would be delicious. (This is, of course, assuming they mean XY individuals when they say "biologically male", which given the group in question, I assume is the case.)
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samurai slowdown posted:It's hard not to be with the realization of how loving ridiculous their "experts" look under oath. Let's see how much more hilarity can ensue today! Edit: The first bit of gold has already been struck! quote:According to reports elsewhere, Nessul continued to question Price.  My story time with my daughter is loving sacred. I realize plural-of-anecdote comes into play here, but Jesus, Price!Edit 2: quote:Price, now being questioned again by the state, is talking about data he says show higher break-up rates among same-sex couples. You heard it here first, folks, there's not a statistically significant difference in stability of same sex couples vs. heteros. Nth Doctor fucked around with this message at 16:24 on Mar 5, 2014 |
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Nth Doctor posted:You heard it here first, folks, there's not a statistically significant difference in stability of same sex couples vs. heteros. So, his argument is, "While the statistics aren't significant, they're still significant." I don't. What.
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Chokes McGee posted:So, his argument is, "While the statistics aren't significant, they're still significant." I can't tell you the number of talks I've been to (I'm a biologist) where a presenter show some data that seems to demonstrate a trend, but with giant error bars. They'll usually mutter something like "mumble mumble p>0.05 BUT CLEARLY THERE IS SOMETHING GOING ON!" We live and die by the p. Which drives real statisticians nuts.
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A last bit from Price before they move on to the next witness:quote:He said that's because the data uses "very restricted samples." quote:Loren Marks, family studies professor at Louisiana State University, is on the stand.
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Pfirti86 posted:I can't tell you the number of talks I've been to (I'm a biologist) where a presenter show some data that seems to demonstrate a trend, but with giant error bars. They'll usually mutter something like "mumble mumble p>0.05 BUT CLEARLY THERE IS SOMETHING GOING ON!" Yeah, but that's because biological systems are assholes and will produce different results at a whim sometimes, so any living thing has built-in error anyways. The question that the court is facing is not whether there is any evidence of higher divorce rates among same-sex couples, its whether those factors are large enough to justify a ban on gay marriage. If the rate for divorce is 0.1% higher for SS couples then that's just survey noise, not a significant trend. Basically, the expert witness is a biased idiot
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Ban poor people from getting married or having kids; parents being poor correlates much more strongly with academic underachievement than being gay.
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Michigan's current witness is mostly going on about the convenience samples used by the APA: On Direct Examination by the State: quote:"There were several that struck me as unusually small," Marks said. quote:Marks said he's used convenience samples himself, but doesn't view them as representative of groups larger than the sample itself. quote:"You need a nationally representative sample to make national claims," said LSU family studies professor Loren Marks .
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Sharkie posted:Ban poor people from getting married or having kids; parents being poor correlates much more strongly with academic underachievement than being gay.
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Mar 5, 2014 17:33
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No no, banning people from being poor means giving the government the requirement to prevent it, thus allowing officials to just hand out stacks of cash. Yay!
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National survey released today by WaPo/ABC: 59% support gay marriage (highest ever), 50% say it's guaranteed in the Constitution under equal protection.
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I can't wait for Scalia to weigh in on how now the people themselves have "taken it upon themselves to promote the gay agenda."
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Sweeney Tom posted:National survey released today by WaPo/ABC: 59% support gay marriage (highest ever), 50% say it's guaranteed in the Constitution under equal protection.
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Baby steps in the Catholic Church today.
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CapnAndy posted:The best detail is that the 41% who oppose it think that the majory of Americans agrees with their position.
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Why do conservatives care so much about it being called "civil union" instead of "civil marriage"? I'll never understand that.
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Kurtofan posted:Why do conservatives care so much about it being called "civil union" instead of "civil marriage"? I'll never understand that. Because Catholic-based (or more widely, religious-based) organizations can treat civil unions at a lesser level than marriages without being hit with a lawsuit. Dead stop, that's the reason.
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