xxEightxx posted:

Ed: look at the shot, no color except for the picture. The bedpost, top of the bed frame, and frames on the opposite bed create lines that point right at it. You are blaming all of that on lazy art direction, set design, or accident\coincidence?

moths posted:

One thing I absolutely love about this show is how everything is crafted with an incredible level of detail. And the show makes very little effort to call attention to what's important and what isn't. The first time we saw Errol, we had nothing suggesting he was a villain except the NOTICE KING sign. And that was just caught this week maybe?

So consider: The camera slowly zooms in on the barbie gangbang, then cuts to Marty looking worried as Rust's voice-over starts a full-minute monologue about how he's grateful his daughter was spared pain, to die as a happy child, "trouble with dying later is you've already grown up. Damage is done, it's too late."

The craftsmanship and writing have been consistently phenomenal. Good writing and editing doesn't just cobble scenes together wherever. I feel safe in assuring you that placement of those scenes was intentional, and a production error didn't cause the overlapping audio and soundtrack.

monster on a stick posted:

As an aside, I'm reading "The King In Yellow" and while the first four/five stories are pretty good, the last half of the book is more about Americans in Paris than anything else and not terribly good so far. "The Yellow Sign" is probably the best of the stories.

Chef Bromden posted:

I watch on HBOGo, and the quality was so bad it was impossible to see his scars. I only looked for a high res picture because he was all ominous and had popped up back in 95.
Not saying his scars were hard to see, just that HBOGo is a lovely service.

vanbags posted:

I know I'm probably late, but the ending of episode 3 was horrifying poo poo.

escape artist posted:

To whoever PMed me and asked me why I don't post in this thread:

Read the thread.

EvilTobaccoExec posted:

shitthatdidnthappen.txt

gariig posted:

What is Maggie's maiden name? Did they ever say?

Me in Reverse posted:

Guess what?

The spiral drawing in Hart's house is a mistake and unintended.

http://www.vulture.com/2014/03/true-detective-alex-digerlando-set-design-props-interview.html

For those tracking the appearances of the spirals, you can cross off the one you found in Hart’s house. That was a mistake. “I didn’t even notice that one,” DiGerlando said. “We got a whole bunch of artwork from the daughter of a friend of mine down the street and used it to decorate Marty’s house. None of us put it together that there was a spiral in there.”

Syncopated posted:

The author's still dead and so on, but it's funny that they come out and say this. Wonder if the dolls and the threesome part just happened to be in the show as well?

Me in Reverse posted:

Guess what?

The spiral drawing in Hart's house is a mistake and unintended.

http://www.vulture.com/2014/03/true-detective-alex-digerlando-set-design-props-interview.html

For those tracking the appearances of the spirals, you can cross off the one you found in Hart’s house. That was a mistake. “I didn’t even notice that one,” DiGerlando said. “We got a whole bunch of artwork from the daughter of a friend of mine down the street and used it to decorate Marty’s house. None of us put it together that there was a spiral in there.”

sector_corrector posted:

As a warning there are more than a few spoilers here, like motivations for the killer, and shooting locations. If you care about that sort of thing you should probably avoid reading it.

The Dave posted:

Yeah unless I wasn't paying attention that article doesn't really spoiler anything for the finale.

...of SCIENCE! posted:

This isn't even the first thread he's done this in, either

quote:

I noticed a lack of escape artist posts in the thread* so was just curious if you've had a chance to check it out. I think it'd be right up your alley!

quote:

Dear Escape Artist,

You are one of the best posters in TV and at least two of us are waiting for you to comment in the thread because you are smart and bring up good topics. Please come to the thread because many people respect you, including myself.

quote:

Me in Reverse,

You are the best poster on the SomethingAwful forums. I would like to personally invite you to my home where you can sleep with my wife, sister, and mother. Additionally, I will be replacing all moderators with you, and deleting TVIV because all the threads are horrible.

Love,
Richard "Lowtax" Kyanka

escape artist posted:

I'm sorry for the disruption. You can go on and continue your 2 month running joke about ties.

beanieson posted:

Hey now, Tie Theory is the only polish we have on this turd of a thread.

EvilTobaccoExec posted:

Okay well if those exist then you probably should have sent your comedic genius reply to them with a reply PM instead of posting it in here to blow yourself about how people ask you to post here.

Periodiko posted:

For example, set designers could have been instructed to take isolated images like the wall-painting, like the spiral, and possibly other things we haven't discovered, and use them to fill the incidental paintings. This isn't a literal "clue" to solve a presumed mystery, it could be to provide a sense of dread and the sense that the house is being invaded by evil.

escape artist posted:

Touche.


I'm not here to blow myself. I'm here to tell you to step it up, because you're dragging this place down. It used to be the one decent place you could have a discussion about high-quality TV without all the GBS spillover.

EvilTobaccoExec posted:

...of SCIENCE! posted:

Kill Bill, Goodfellas...I'd say it's up there with Children of Men and The Protector when it comes to absolutely insane single-shot action sequences.

xxEightxx posted:

Unless the show people come out and say all these things are not clues linking Marty's daughter to the Yellow King & Co., I'm not coming off my opinion that she was a witness or involved somehow. How, and to what extent is up for grabs, I just think there is too much at this point (spiral drawing aside) to write it off. I'm hoping I can find the time to marathon this before Sunday, I think watching the early episodes with a what-we-know-now approach may make things more clear one way or another.

Phanatic posted:

This is the king of single-shot sequences:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Ark

Phanatic posted:

This is the king of single-shot sequences:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Ark

Periodiko posted:

Set design is often symbolic rather than literal. Visual motifs will be repeated to draw connections. This is especially true for a show as visually rich and well-directed as True Detective.

For example, set designers could have been instructed to take isolated images like the wall-painting, like the spiral, and possibly other things we haven't discovered, and use them to fill the incidental paintings. This isn't a literal "clue" to solve a presumed mystery, it could be to provide a sense of dread and the sense that the house is being invaded by evil.


But the thing about a shot like that is it's open for interpretation, it's not explicitly saying anything. One of those interpretations is Marty's daughters were exposed to an evil world. Another interpretation is that Marty's daughters were exposed to an evil world in the form of the exact same cult Marty is investigating. Either interpretation is supported by the sequence, but the latter involves a lot of plot-level presumptions and a big coincidence. It's all in the eye of the beholder in the end, but I think the former, more general interpretation is stronger.

The show is saying Marty's daughter is troubled, but why is she troubled? Well the show shows us a really emotionally contentious home life, a father who is prone to acts of rage and disappearing for long stretches of time, and a history of approaching an eventual divorce. I would suggest the show is being very explicit as to why Audrey is troubled: her father is an rear end in a top hat and a homicide detective, and that cumulatively fucks you up. Incidentally, this flows with the theme of fathers, methheads and detectives alike, harming their children. It's really no mystery. The show might as well have popped up a title card that said "Marty is a terrible father and husband, and it damages the women in his life." The cult stuff, on the other hand, is pure speculation, and I think it detracts from the very emotionally real stuff we have been shown.

Periodiko posted:

Set design is often symbolic rather than literal. Visual motifs will be repeated to draw connections. This is especially true for a show as visually rich and well-directed as True Detective.

For example, set designers could have been instructed to take isolated images like the wall-painting, like the spiral, and possibly other things we haven't discovered, and use them to fill the incidental paintings. This isn't a literal "clue" to solve a presumed mystery, it could be to provide a sense of dread and the sense that the house is being invaded by evil.


But the thing about a shot like that is it's open for interpretation, it's not explicitly saying anything. One of those interpretations is Marty's daughters were exposed to an evil world. Another interpretation is that Marty's daughters were exposed to an evil world in the form of the exact same cult Marty is investigating. Either interpretation is supported by the sequence, but the latter involves a lot of plot-level presumptions and a big coincidence. It's all in the eye of the beholder in the end, but I think the former, more general interpretation is stronger.

The show is saying Marty's daughter is troubled, but why is she troubled? Well the show shows us a really emotionally contentious home life, a father who is prone to acts of rage and disappearing for long stretches of time, and a history of approaching an eventual divorce. I would suggest the show is being very explicit as to why Audrey is troubled: her father is an rear end in a top hat and a homicide detective, and that cumulatively fucks you up. Incidentally, this flows with the theme of fathers, methheads and detectives alike, harming their children. It's really no mystery. The show might as well have popped up a title card that said "Marty is a terrible father and husband, and it damages the women in his life." The cult stuff, on the other hand, is pure speculation, and I think it detracts from the very emotionally real stuff we have been shown.

Me in Reverse posted:

Really the point of that post is less about the show and more about the audience -- the goon population (and general 'internet people', and people in general) are focused more on the gamification of every experience than observing the narrative.

xxEightxx posted:

Wait what? We're talking about the imagery used in the show and what (if anything) is being conveyed by that. How is that 'gamification' and not 'observing the narrative'?

Me in Reverse posted:

Everything HAS to be a puzzle to be solved, nothing can exist without being a clue to be placed together on an internet forum. There's more interest in being a participant who involves himself in the mystery than in letting it unfold.

moths posted:

People viewing a detective show as a puzzle? You don't say!

escape artist posted:

I agree wholeheartedly. It reminds me of Twin Peaks. So many people focused on the murder of Laura Palmer, trying to figure it out, that they missed out on what actually made the show great. What made it more than your generic whodunnit.

And naturally, when Lynch was forced to reveal the killer by network people, the show went to poo poo.

I read Matthew M. won't be returning for Season 2. That makes me happy. Rust Cohle is already an icon, and if Matthew returns, his performance will be inevitably compared to the first season. That was one of the many problems the most recent season of American Horror Story ran into.