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Tremblay
Oct 8, 2002
More dog whistles than a Petco

darnon posted:

Would a parachute deploy fast enough after you just ejected out of the bottom of a plane at something like 100 ft?

No, not if you ejected out of the bottom. I'm sure there is a documented minimum AGL for those two positions.

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Psion
Dec 13, 2002

eVeN I KnOw wHaT CoRnEr gAs iS

Plinkey posted:

If it's anything like the B1 that's a nav/weather/bombing radar control.

Way to the right in this picture.



The guy on the left seems to be studying tactical diagrams of breakfast.

Doctor Grape Ape
Aug 26, 2005

Dammit Doc, I just bought this for you 3 months ago. Try and keep it around for a bit longer this time.

Psion posted:

The guy on the left seems to be studying tactical diagrams of breakfast.

I'm glad I'm not the only person who thought he was eating his in-flight meal upon first glance.

evil_bunnY
Apr 2, 2003

Tremblay posted:

No, not if you ejected out of the bottom. I'm sure there is a documented minimum AGL for those two positions.
It'll depend a lot on your ft/mn too. Ejecting downwards skews the ballistics against you further.

Oxford Comma
Jun 26, 2011
Oxford Comma: Hey guys I want a cool big dog to show off! I want it to be ~special~ like Thor but more couch potato-like because I got babbies in the house!
Everybody: GET A LAB.
Oxford Comma: OK! (gets a a pit/catahoula mix)
Slim Pickens recitations aside, what does one get to stay alive when you punch out of your burning B52 over the middle of Siberia?

Mr. Funny Pants
Apr 9, 2001

Oxford Comma posted:

Slim Pickens recitations aside

It was a Stanley Kubrick movie, dude was loving obsessed about the details. Are you implying that Slim's inventory wasn't real?

Davin Valkri
Apr 8, 2011

Maybe you're weighing the moral pros and cons but let me assure you that OH MY GOD
SHOOT ME IN THE GODDAMNED FACE
WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR?!

Mr. Funny Pants posted:

It was a Stanley Kubrick movie, dude was loving obsessed about the details. Are you implying that Slim's inventory wasn't real?

Why the heck would an airman in the middle of nowhere need prophylactics? :v:

Propagandalf
Dec 6, 2008

itchy itchy itchy itchy

Oxford Comma posted:

Slim Pickens recitations aside, what does one get to stay alive when you punch out of your burning B52 over the middle of Siberia?

Sidearm, radio, mirror, IR strobe, blood chit, (empty) water bladder, survival knife, tyvek map, compass, camo paint compact, plus whatever else life support can cram into a vest and the crew is wearing on their person. There's a crew bag with extra batteries, first aid supplies, spare mags, water filter, signaling devices, and such but there's no guarantee of it surviving. That's more for controlled hard landing scenarios where you have time to grab it.

But yeah, condoms are super useful. They can carry water, tie off injuries, and you can do things like stuff your electronics or spare mags into them so they're a bit more water repellent.

madeintaipei
Jul 13, 2012

Propagandalf posted:

But yeah, condoms are super useful. They can carry water, tie off injuries, and you can do things like stuff your electronics or spare mags into them so they're a bit more water repellent...

...keeping airmen from leaving DNA evidence.

Flikken
Oct 23, 2009

10,363 snaps and not a playoff win to show for it

madeintaipei posted:

...keeping airmen from leaving DNA evidence.

Why does it matter? A General would just overturn the conviction.

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost

Flikken posted:

Why does it matter? A General would just overturn the conviction.

:drat:

FrozenVent
May 1, 2009

The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.
The condom is so they can't steal your precious bodily fluids.

Snowdens Secret
Dec 29, 2008
Someone got you a obnoxiously racist av.

FrozenVent posted:

The condom is so they can't steal your precious bodily fluids.

We kept them on the submarine to capture small radioactive coolant leaks.

And yeah, they're good for all sorts of first aid.

Doctor Grape Ape
Aug 26, 2005

Dammit Doc, I just bought this for you 3 months ago. Try and keep it around for a bit longer this time.

Snowdens Secret posted:

We kept them on the submarine to capture small radioactive coolant leaks.

This is what happens when everyone cheats on tests.

jaegerx
Sep 10, 2012

Maybe this post will get me on your ignore list!


Snowdens Secret posted:

We kept them on the submarine to capture small radioactive coolant leaks.

And yeah, they're good for all sorts of first aid.

Tampons are great for first aid.

Oxford Comma
Jun 26, 2011
Oxford Comma: Hey guys I want a cool big dog to show off! I want it to be ~special~ like Thor but more couch potato-like because I got babbies in the house!
Everybody: GET A LAB.
Oxford Comma: OK! (gets a a pit/catahoula mix)

jaegerx posted:

Tampons are great for first aid.

You know, I hear this but I would like to see some empirical evidence stating that shoving a tampon into your buddy's gunshot wound is beneficial. :colbert:

hailthefish
Oct 24, 2010

Oxford Comma posted:

You know, I hear this but I would like to see some empirical evidence stating that shoving a tampon into your buddy's gunshot wound is beneficial. :colbert:

Well they've been in use that way since at least 1885. Not exactly empirical evidence stating it's more beneficial than some other dressing, but as far as 'compact absorbent material that's readily available' it's not a bad option. Cheap, too.

Mr. Funny Pants
Apr 9, 2001

Oxford Comma posted:

You know, I hear this but I would like to see some empirical evidence stating that shoving a tampon into your buddy's gunshot wound is beneficial. :colbert:

http://www.snopes.com/military/tampon.asp

quote:

...an April 2003 news story about odd uses soldiers stationed in Iraq were finding for non-military items said, "In the 4th Infantry Division from Fort Hood, Texas, many soldiers carry tampons to plug bullet holes in case they are shot." (That same article announced of those men, "They stick condoms on the muzzles of .50-caliber machine guns to keep out dust, and shoot right through the latex when the time comes to fire.")

Numerous soldiers have told us that yes, tampons are indeed carried in med kits and are used on bullet wounds in the field. Medics with years of combat experience say they consider tampons excellent for penetration trauma because not only do they absorb a lot of blood, they are sterile, packaged with easy-to-use applicators, and leave a "tail" protruding from the wound that aids doctors in easily removing them.

As to how old this practice is, one of our correspondents says he saw tampons used in this fashion during the Vietnam War.

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

Oxford Comma posted:

You know, I hear this but I would like to see some empirical evidence stating that shoving a tampon into your buddy's gunshot wound is beneficial. :colbert:

No real man would die with a tampon in him. That's why DADT was a thing, don't you know?

wdarkk
Oct 26, 2007

Friends: Protected
World: Saved
Crablettes: Eaten
Apparently Tampons are descended from WW1 bandages.

jaegerx
Sep 10, 2012

Maybe this post will get me on your ignore list!


Oxford Comma posted:

You know, I hear this but I would like to see some empirical evidence stating that shoving a tampon into your buddy's gunshot wound is beneficial. :colbert:

Check the emt thread. I don't think you'll find one of them without a tampon on him.

Force de Fappe
Nov 7, 2008

Tampons are excellent fire starters. Always dry, compact, burn long.

That Works
Jul 22, 2006

Every revolution evaporates and leaves behind only the slime of a new bureaucracy


I keep some in the kit bag for rugby games. Great for a busted nose

Insane Totoro
Dec 5, 2005

Take cover!!!
That Totoro has an AR-15!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Chew-Een_Lee

http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/06/us/major-lee-marines/

quote:

During the Korean War, he became commander of a machine gun platoon, to the shock of his men who had never before seen a person of Chinese ancestry. Some even questioned his loyalty as U.S. forces were battling Chinese forces, which had joined the conflict on the side of North Koreans.

In a November 1950 clash, Lee and his men were outnumbered in a surprise attack by Chinese forces. His actions there and in another clash would earn him a bevy of military honors, including the second highest military decoration, the Navy Cross...


...Inside his unit, Lee faced racial slurs like "Chinese laundry" or "The Chinaman." But the source of his discrimination proved to be crucial in saving the lives of his fellow Marines.

Lee's unit came under sudden attack on November 2, 1950, his company had their first encounter with the Chinese forces. Heavily outnumbered by the Chinese forces and their firepower, Lee's unit was stuck until the gunfire stopped.

"It was eerie," said Lee, describing the battle scene to a Smithsonian Channel's documentary "Uncommon Courage: Breakout at Chosin." "The Marines didn't know where the enemy was."

Lee struck out solo, trying to provoke enemy fire so his men could determine where the Chinese forces were hiding. He went out alone firing sporadic shots to make it seem like the Marines were advancing.

The Chinese began returning fire, exposing their position.

When Lee reached the outpost where the Chinese forces were hiding, he employed a ruse no one in his unit could've done.

"Don't shoot!" he yelled. "I'm Chinese."


Hearing Chinese confused them and the temporary distraction proved crucial as the Marines launched a counterattack.


Having met with people who knew him personally, I have been told that the documentaries on him have been essentially.... um, family friendly. I was told that he essentially was the biggest badass motherfucker, having fought his way INTO Chosin (not the other way around) while still suffering from an earlier gunshot wound. So with his arm in a cast he fought uphill with an M1 carbine, reloading with one hand using double taped magazines, shooting from the hip and basically being unstoppable. All the while being in extreme pain, screaming at the enemy Chinese in their own language that he was going to come gently caress their moms or something equally obscene.

Apparently he got shot a second time in Chosin, then did the same thing again while charging uphill in a blizzard. Then he did it a third time or some similar feat and was hit by a machine gun and finally only then did they pull him out.

The Asian American heroes you never hear about. I wish I had more oral history on the guy, but I'm an Asian-American WWII historian, not a Korean War one. Sad to see people like these pass away and fade into history.

priznat
Jul 7, 2009

Let's get drunk and kiss each other all night.
That's the best version of the "I had to walk uphill to school both ways in a blizzard" story I've ever heard.

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


I try to collect books on minorities in our wars in general but never came across him. Thanks.

Insane Totoro
Dec 5, 2005

Take cover!!!
That Totoro has an AR-15!

LingcodKilla posted:

I try to collect books on minorities in our wars in general but never came across him. Thanks.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0252072634

Cardiac
Aug 28, 2012

Insane Totoro posted:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Chew-Een_Lee

http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/06/us/major-lee-marines/


Having met with people who knew him personally, I have been told that the documentaries on him have been essentially.... um, family friendly. I was told that he essentially was the biggest badass motherfucker, having fought his way INTO Chosin (not the other way around) while still suffering from an earlier gunshot wound. So with his arm in a cast he fought uphill with an M1 carbine, reloading with one hand using double taped magazines, shooting from the hip and basically being unstoppable. All the while being in extreme pain, screaming at the enemy Chinese in their own language that he was going to come gently caress their moms or something equally obscene.

Apparently he got shot a second time in Chosin, then did the same thing again while charging uphill in a blizzard. Then he did it a third time or some similar feat and was hit by a machine gun and finally only then did they pull him out.

The Asian American heroes you never hear about. I wish I had more oral history on the guy, but I'm an Asian-American WWII historian, not a Korean War one. Sad to see people like these pass away and fade into history.

Wasn't there an American-Japanese unit in WW2 that was one of the most decorated units in the war. I've seen it mentioned, but can't recall if it was in the Air Force or another branch.

madeintaipei
Jul 13, 2012

Cardiac posted:

Wasn't there an American-Japanese unit in WW2 that was one of the most decorated units in the war. I've seen it mentioned, but can't recall if it was in the Air Force or another branch.

Is the 442nd Infantry Regiment what you're thinking of?

e: You know, I thought I'd heard the name Chew-Een Lee before. The book, "Colder Than Hell", by Joseph R. Owen makes more than a passing mention of the man. He even made an amendment to a review of said book on Amazon!

madeintaipei fucked around with this message at 11:09 on Mar 10, 2014

Insane Totoro
Dec 5, 2005

Take cover!!!
That Totoro has an AR-15!

Cardiac posted:

Wasn't there an American-Japanese unit in WW2 that was one of the most decorated units in the war. I've seen it mentioned, but can't recall if it was in the Air Force or another branch.

Yes the 442nd.

Other units of note to historians:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/761st_Tank_Battalion_(United_States) (AKA the Black Panthers)

http://www.cbi-history.com/part_vi_14th_asg.html (the 14th Air Service Group, an all-Chinese unit)




Edit: Aaaaaaaand more heroes passing into time today, Bill Guarnere: http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/09/us/band-of-brothers-veteran-dies/

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


Another passing. He had a good run though for all the hell he walked through.

The book on the black panthers is a pretty good if not sad read. They got some pretty shirty assignment.

ming-the-mazdaless
Nov 30, 2005

Whore funded horsepower
Integrated or black units serving under poo poo white South West African leadership.

32nd
31st or 201bn.
33rd or 701bn.
34th or 202bn,
35th or 101bn. QRF
36th or 203bn.
37th or 102bn.
41st or 901bn Swingforce.
61st RRF
911bn Reserves
Logistics Brigade
SWA Military School
1st SWA Specialist Unit at Otavi
Other Field Artillery

onezero
Nov 20, 2003

veritas vos liberabit

Building on that - http://www.popsci.com/article/technology/how-simple-new-invention-seals-gunshot-wound-15-seconds

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"
Not the only time someone's interviewed an A-10 pilot, but this was a nice read: http://www.simhq.com/air-combat/air-combat-interviews/warthog-pilot-interview.html

Mr. Funny Pants
Apr 9, 2001

Didn't know where else to put this.

If you haven't seen, China released a spy satellite photo of a target that could be the missing Malaysian 777. It's just an indistinct blob and some experts have already said that it doesn't fit the profile for what to expect from floating wreckage from that particular plane.

My question is, if China is saying, "Hey, look at this, you might want to go check it out," what are the odds that they would send the search in that direction without knowing for sure because they have much better imagery that they don't want to release?

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
Seems perfectly plausible. Not sarcastic.

Propagandalf
Dec 6, 2008

itchy itchy itchy itchy
If they wanted to tip someone off, they wouldn't need to release the imagery at all. There's enough plausible deniability in simply saying 'we have reason to believe it's here-ish'. There's no reason to doubt the Chinese at their word, it's not like they're Uganda claiming to have a NIIRS 11-capable GaySat for spotting random acts of sodomy.

I'm guessing it's not actual spy satellite footage, but a commercial imagery bird that the government can task on demand through state-owned entities.


:e Like this.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iQ3a-aB19zqIxHHTuyh5H4Tql0-Q?docId=c5e7ec45-81b5-4125-a368-56fe63199a33

Propagandalf fucked around with this message at 00:47 on Mar 13, 2014

Mr. Funny Pants
Apr 9, 2001

Propagandalf posted:

There's no reason to doubt the Chinese at their word, it's not like they're Uganda claiming to have a NIIRS 11-capable GaySat for spotting random acts of sodomy.

I laughed way too hard at this. And then I imagined Michelle Bachman pointing to your post and asking someone if we could build one.

Koesj
Aug 3, 2003

Propagandalf posted:

it's not like they're Uganda claiming to have a NIIRS 11-capable GaySat for spotting random acts of sodomy.

PotM right here.

I suppose everyone and their dog can get their hands on decent-ish IMINT. In peacetime, and with a bit of a delay.

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Seizure Meat
Jul 23, 2008

by Smythe
That's how Area 51 got made. IIRC some Russian owned commercial sat released images of it.

The government went from "it doesn't exist" to "it's classified" really quick.

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